Giving the side projects of people their own artist pages is something MB has been doing for a long time. Just because fictional characters are treated as "side projects" by Japan does not mean the artists should be _reinterpreted and changed so that MB says something that no other Japanese source ever will_.
"> Those fields should (IMO) capture whatever people put on the (back)cover.
> That is where you'd look for it in a record store, etc.. It is useful
> information, and shouldn't be discarded just because you know which actual
> person is behind it."
^ This is probably the best-worded defense of such artists. It's even more important for anime song releases which specifically credit fictional characters but do not mention the real vocalist ANYWHERE on either the outer case (
http://musicbrainz.org/release/33d198e5-1fca-4201-8884-40ebc6061210.html) OR inside the booklet (
http://musicbrainz.org/release/5a89769c-ddae-43da-961a-81b527896dba.html).
If you reinterpret such artists, or even artists which are in the format of "Character (CV: Vocalist)"/"Character(Vocalist)" (not always consistent on the same release) or "Character starring Vocalist" (this one is 100% consistent and trying to reinterpret this just shows you have never seen the music/booklet/websites/PR in question), then you are making an exception for Japanese artists rather than treating them the same as any artist from any other nation.
-neothe0ne
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1. Re: Issue on artist names (Mika Heiska)
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From: Mika Heiska <kilualmighty@...>
Subject: Re: [mb-users] Issue on artist names
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I didn't say the data should be discarded, but stored elsewhere,
currently annotations. Big difference.
In general my view is that this kind of thing decreases the usefulness
of the site by splintering same artist into several sub-entries that
needlessly bloat the database and the search. Just for an example, if
you search for artist Ryoko Shiraishi, you can see the main entry but
you can also see 5 other entries with these artist + character
combinations, splintering that one person. These are all fresh, but if
this continues I can only imagine what it will look like in a few more
months.
So I say that we should nip this in the bud while we still can.
But you know, that's just me.
~Mika
On 10.7.2009 22:05, Kuno Woudt wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 03:17:58PM +0300, Mika Heiska wrote:
>> Seriously? "THE CHILDREN starring Aya Hirano& Ryoko Shiraishi& Haruka
>> Tomatsu" is a good artist name? It makes absolutely no sense to me.
>
> No, it's not a particularly good or useful artist name. However, it is
> what the track is credited as on the backcover, so that is how I want
> the track represented in the database and in the tags of my files.
>
> For me, the release artist and track artist fields are mostly useful
> in capturing what is on the cover and backcover tracklist.
>
> Useful data about which persons had which role in creating a particular
> release or track can be accurately captured in the ARs.
>
>> I think it's just a different way to credit people. It's not like MBz
>> has had problems picking and choosing what information to include in the
>> database before. Why is it that everything that is Japanese is suddenly
>> considered artist intent? I mean, I get that capitalization is something
>> that is purposely strange in some Japanese releases, but this kind of
>> thing is just ridiculous.
>
> This has nothing to do with japanese releases. I would do the same for
> weird collaboration artists or fictional character artist from any other
> culture or geographical location.
>
> Those fields should (IMO) capture whatever people put on the (back)cover.
> That is where you'd look for it in a record store, etc.. It is useful
> information, and shouldn't be discarded just because you know which actual
> person is behind it.
>
> -- kuno / warp.
>
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