Hi Peeps,
Would just like to say that of the two platforms (and I don't personally
own one) the Mac has to be better because it has been doing AT for
longer but I speak only in a 'closed-source' framework; somewhat ironic
that VoiceOver on the Mac works with OpenOffice.org 3.0 flawlessly - you
(the department) spent a large wad on Office for Mac and it is not
compatible with voice over! 'Buyer beware'... Of course Open Source is
best when one considers Orca and the best distribution that it works on
for my money is the specially crafted version of Ubuntu called 'Ultimate
Edition' now at 2.3. (No prizes for why the title is called 'Ultimate
Edition'!) It is crafted by one man (whose NIC is "Thee Mahn" - it is
the first Open Source distro that I have come across that worked well in
terms of the live F5 key (or is it F6) for Accessibility. In terms of
the best voice in Open Source that has to go to Fedora 11.0 but to my
cost when I was trying to install DVD video codecs it broke (repository
was trying to install bits from Fedora 12.0! Oh to be a hacker!) We have
to remember that Orca is written by people with disabilities who rely on
the technology day in, day out - now that's outstanding!
Best regards,
John Blake.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK (Will Wade)
2. Using SVG images (Steve Lee)
3. Re: Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK (Steve Lee)
4. Re: Using SVG images (~:'' ???????????)
5. Re: Using SVG images (Steve Lee)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:15:05 +0100
From: Will Wade <
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Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
OSK
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Bit slow on reading my newslists..
That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't already
aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long time
(well since 2005 as far as my memory can remember)..
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK
>
> This video shows how much the mag and OSK solutions bundled with the
> OS have improved (who at the back there said said "about time too"?).
>
>
http://is.gd/3wIiE>
> (via AbilityNet newsletter)
>
> Steve Lee
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:51:58 +0100
From: Steve Lee <
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Subject: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
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Can we please develop better support for SVG please?
http://eduspaces.net/stevelee/weblog/756782.html--
Steve Lee
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:38:48 +0100
From: Steve Lee <
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Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and
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So you were trying to make us think you are not a 'Mac fanataic'? :-0
Though Apple are closed and the engineers won't with people like
Mozilla for Firefox accessibility they are doing good things. And it
seems to be getting better looking at the iphone/ipod voice over work.
Steve
2009/10/8 Will Wade <
Wade@...>:
> Bit slow on reading my newslists..
> That video made me smile. I realise I come across as a complete mac
> fanatic on these lists - I just wanted to say that if you aren't
already
> aware those "features" of osk and mag have been in OS X for a long
time
> (well since 2005 ?as far as my memory can remember)..
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
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>>
bounces@...] On Behalf Of Steve Lee
>> Sent: 21 September 2009 15:23
>> To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
>> Subject: [oats-sig] Big improvements to Windows 7 Magnifier and OSK
>>
>> This video shows how much the mag and OSK solutions bundled with the
>> OS have improved (who at the back there said said "about time too"?).
>>
>>
http://is.gd/3wIiE>>
>> (via AbilityNet newsletter)
>>
>> Steve Lee
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:20:03 +0100
From: "~:'' ???????????" <
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Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
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Steve,
I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.
best
~:"
Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a
soon to be published book, on a very closely related topic.
Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,
its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
rather that the specification was created by browser developers
not by and for
naive end-users,
authors including non-technically literate teachers,
authoring tool developers.
any of the above who may require alternative affordances.
testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....
in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
requirement for a W3C games working group
also WHATWG etc...
Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the browser.
How did this get missed in the rush?
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:43:17 +0100
From: Steve Lee <
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Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Using SVG images
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group <
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Thanks, I guessed you would have been active on this issue :-)
We can hope.....
Steve
2009/10/8 "~:'' ???????????" <
j.chetwynd@...>:
> Steve,
>
> I regularly raise this issue with a number of the W3C working groups.
> The issue is complex and wont be resolved for some time.
>
> best
>
> ~:"
>
>
> Last week, I submitted a chapter proposal 'Beyond Open Source' for a
soon to
> be published book, on a very closely related topic.
> Its my thesis that the specification process is structurally flawed,
>
> its not so much that the authoring tools have not been implemented
> rather that the specification was created by browser developers
> not by and for
> naive end-users,
> authors including non-technically literate teachers,
> authoring tool developers.
> any of the above who may require alternative affordances.
>
> testing with these groups, if there is any, is extremely limited.
> so one cannot be over-surprised by the results....
>
> in particular I am in the process of raising awareness regarding the
> requirement for a W3C games working group
> also WHATWG etc...
>
> Flash and Java are amazingly successful, but not native to the
browser.
> How did this get missed in the rush?
>
>
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