Re: Ivory-billed Woodpecker Recovery Plan

Folks:

Let's have some civility here.  Perhaps it's time to get off this
Ivory-billed Woodpecker thread.  I'm getting tired of the ad hominem
attacks--e.g. "its noted you are not a US citizen ".  I'm not the only one
you are going to drive away.

Stephen Hult
Annapolis Maryland.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane Dubois" <stmarkssquare@...>
To: <BIRDCHAT@...>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] Ivory-billed Woodpecker Recovery Plan


The Ivory-billed Woodpecker is not extinct according to those "warped"
enough
to have done the unheard of..........that is get into the field in SPECIFIC
areas of
the SE US. If you have some field data supporting extinction please
present it.

Although we are impressed with your "resume" and precipient opinion there
are many others that eclipse your knowledge in video artifact analysis
(AR Video, FL Videos and LA videos), avifauna of SE forests and in avian
acoustical survey methods RESULTING IN EVIDENCE.

Pending your data of others on some/all the following:
where you failed to find an IBWO, and exact methods
what animal is kenting in widely disjunct areas in SE with
large DBH trees
what animal is double knocking back to played DKs in disjunct
SE US areas
where the PIWO can be found with a wing beat Hz of 8.5,
4 seconds, post takeoff

Until then you will excuse us in looking at actual field data, videos
and recordings rather than opinions.

Its conceded that there was some $ waste. Some of us warned via comment on
the IBWO Recovery Plan years ago that certain methods and a concentation on
Arkansas, via Cornell's and "Mueller"
types' opinions, was an error. The use of copters by Rideout...a longshot,
when a wary species is involved. This picture chase and reward was also ill
advised.

In the silly category its noted you are not a US citizen but are complaining
about US
taxes. Thanks for the concern but is this a recently developed campaign by
you to
reform waste in the US? Do you have any prior art in US tax reform matters
or is there a specific funding problem that makes you biased on IBWO subject
matter?


thanks,

Fred Virrazzi
NJ
(with occasional, but formal wandering to the SE US)

edited

----- Original Message ----
From: Wayne Weber contopus@...

it seems to me that there is misconduct-- and a huge
waste of taxpayers' money-- in spending $14 million on a recovery plan for a
species which is clearly extinct, at least in the USA, with no verifiable
sightings in more than half a century.

The $14 million could have been far better spent on preparing recovery
plans, or implementing them, for species still known to exist, and for which
there is some real hope of recovery. Somebody's head should roll for
allowing $14 million to be spent on an Ivory-bill recovery plan.

It is deplorable that the hype surrounding the Ivory-billed Woodpecker seems
to
have warped the judgment of even some professional biologists to the point
where they seem incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction.

Just the opinion of one professional ornithologist with more than 40 years'
professional experience...


Wayne C. Weber, Ph.D.
Delta, BC
contopus@...




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