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by Alfredo Pironti-2
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Christoph Pfister wrote:
> 2009/6/1 Alfredo Pironti <alfredo.pironti@...>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Christoph Pfister wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Well, the problem is that those information is transmitted in a part
>>> that kaffeine doesn't look at. Of course it's possible to deal with
>>> LCN, the question is whether it's worth the effort (there is also the
>>> possibility of collisions: other countries might be using tag 0x83
>>> (=private) for something else). How important is that number? I think
>>> that you normally identify a channel by its name, not by a number (but
>>> ok, there are exceptions). You can also manually assign numbers to the
>>> channels (if you absolutely don't like the order) and sort by number.
>> Probably my "need" arises because I'm trying to use kaffeine as a Set
>> Top Box. In particular I use a remote where only digits are available,
>> so channel numbering is quite important, and it's very boring to
>> manually sort almost 100 channels. Besides the fact that MUX are changed
>> quite often, so one has to re-do the job quite often.
>
> In what way are those LCNs less arbitrary than Kaffeine's autonumbering?
At least in Italy, we have about 10 "institutional" channels, that every
citizen stores in the same program number (and they are correctly
handled by LCN here). It's like for an English guy to store BBC1 on
program 1, BBC2 on program 2 and so on. The other 80 channels I agree
are almost "randomly" assigned to program numbers, even by LCN.
Probably, the problem would be definitely solved if I could group
channels (say by using mouse and keyboard), and then switch channel
groups from my remote (currently not supported). I see you can create
new "categories" in kaffeine, but I don't think they exactly work as
"channel groups", am I right, or am I missing something?
>
>> Maybe I'm just using kaffeine for the wrong puropose (for instance,
>> program recording or egp scheduling is not supported via dcop/OSD...)
>
> Kaffeine isn't a media center (and wasn't designed as such). But I
> don't mind taking steps into that direction ...
>
>> Would you be interested in improving (maybe with my help?) that part of
>> kaffeine? I find kaffeine much better than other alternatives, because
>> it's easy to use and... it just works! (channel scan, adapter
>> recognition and so on...) But maybe we can add a few features about the
>> 10-foot user interface.
>
> The time I can dedicate to development is likely the limiting factor
> :) - but I do appreciate new ideas (for example I don't use a remote
> control and I can't know everything anyway ...), so you have to be a
> bit patient. Anyway, I'll think a bite more about LCN ...
If you can confirm you are willing to include such features in kaffeine
(mostly set-top-box ones rather than LCN), I can start programming
something and send patches back to you. The real thing preventing me to
have already started, is that I didn't want to put effort in programming
features that would never be included in trunk (and I don't even
consider to fork kaffeine!). Of course we can discuss on design and so
on, but at least we should agree whether we want them or not ;-)
Alfredo
>
>> Regards,
>> Alfredo
>
> Christoph
>
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> 2009/6/1 Alfredo Pironti <alfredo.pironti@...>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Christoph Pfister wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Well, the problem is that those information is transmitted in a part
>>> that kaffeine doesn't look at. Of course it's possible to deal with
>>> LCN, the question is whether it's worth the effort (there is also the
>>> possibility of collisions: other countries might be using tag 0x83
>>> (=private) for something else). How important is that number? I think
>>> that you normally identify a channel by its name, not by a number (but
>>> ok, there are exceptions). You can also manually assign numbers to the
>>> channels (if you absolutely don't like the order) and sort by number.
>> Probably my "need" arises because I'm trying to use kaffeine as a Set
>> Top Box. In particular I use a remote where only digits are available,
>> so channel numbering is quite important, and it's very boring to
>> manually sort almost 100 channels. Besides the fact that MUX are changed
>> quite often, so one has to re-do the job quite often.
>
> In what way are those LCNs less arbitrary than Kaffeine's autonumbering?
At least in Italy, we have about 10 "institutional" channels, that every
citizen stores in the same program number (and they are correctly
handled by LCN here). It's like for an English guy to store BBC1 on
program 1, BBC2 on program 2 and so on. The other 80 channels I agree
are almost "randomly" assigned to program numbers, even by LCN.
Probably, the problem would be definitely solved if I could group
channels (say by using mouse and keyboard), and then switch channel
groups from my remote (currently not supported). I see you can create
new "categories" in kaffeine, but I don't think they exactly work as
"channel groups", am I right, or am I missing something?
>
>> Maybe I'm just using kaffeine for the wrong puropose (for instance,
>> program recording or egp scheduling is not supported via dcop/OSD...)
>
> Kaffeine isn't a media center (and wasn't designed as such). But I
> don't mind taking steps into that direction ...
>
>> Would you be interested in improving (maybe with my help?) that part of
>> kaffeine? I find kaffeine much better than other alternatives, because
>> it's easy to use and... it just works! (channel scan, adapter
>> recognition and so on...) But maybe we can add a few features about the
>> 10-foot user interface.
>
> The time I can dedicate to development is likely the limiting factor
> :) - but I do appreciate new ideas (for example I don't use a remote
> control and I can't know everything anyway ...), so you have to be a
> bit patient. Anyway, I'll think a bite more about LCN ...
If you can confirm you are willing to include such features in kaffeine
(mostly set-top-box ones rather than LCN), I can start programming
something and send patches back to you. The real thing preventing me to
have already started, is that I didn't want to put effort in programming
features that would never be included in trunk (and I don't even
consider to fork kaffeine!). Of course we can discuss on design and so
on, but at least we should agree whether we want them or not ;-)
Alfredo
>
>> Regards,
>> Alfredo
>
> Christoph
>
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