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Re: Little weave, little wiggle with panniers and top box
by Ron Willoughby-2
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Well, I need to spell out that this is not stock bike by any means so
the handling is probably quite different than a stocker. I already
mentioned the engine. The suspension is a type IV Ohlins in the rear
with a full Race Tech Front suspension and 6 pot front brakes. I am
running a tall stock screen. The tires are Pilot Roads. It also has
Sprint wheels which are little stronger. As I mentioned even with all
three Givi Bags on (the topcase is an E52 which is larger than stock)
it is dead stable up to about 140mph.
I just rode an 2006 FJR and it felt similar for stability but had no
character and felt like an applicance. Much more engine heat than my
95 Trophy even with the newer FJR bodywork. I did like the electric
windscreen but those have been around for awhile.
We had a Triumph demo ride truck here this weekend and got to ride the
675 and Tiger. Well I know I won't be riding any more sport bikes like
that again. My neck and wrists can't take the strain. Great bike the
675; handling and motor were wonderful. Wonderful for a track day.
The Tiger was very much like the Trophy with less wind protection but
smoother but it was new of course. The bars and seating were really
comfortable but it is not a two-up bike.
Sooooo, haven't rode anything yet to replace the Trophy. I do want to
get a chance to ride the new Concours but even then it's hard to
justify that much money when the Trophy is paid for and just as good
or even better. And they will never match the character.
--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "alex_dz" <alexdz@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting, I just went through the luggage "instability" question
> myself. The last time I did a long trip, I had the Clearview medium
> on with panniers and top box. I did NOT like the feeling at high
> speeds, especially passing large trucks. At the time I blamed the
> Clearview and went back to the stock screen--which despite being very
> loud gives me less buffeting than the Clearview (my Laminar Lip
> experiment, while successful, ended last year because I got sick of
> looking through it).
>
> Anyway, since then I've mainly used the bike for my commute, with the
> stock screen, top box, and NO panniers. This configuration proved
> stable enough at the max 80-90 mph speeds I typically see. The other
> day I put the panniers back on the bike and went for an interstate
> run, and whoa did it feel squirrely! I came home and took the top box
> off and did it again with just the panniers and it was fine.
>
> So, to sum up: Top box no panniers, stable; panniers no top box,
> stable; panniers and top box, squirrely! Clearview, possibly falsely
> accused of being squirrely, although possibly still a contributor.
> Keep in mind it's a rare event for me to hit 100 around here, so at
> higher speeds things may be completely different.
>
> Alex
>
> --- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Robert Clark" <apsllp@> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. When I spoke tot he Triumph rep abouot alternative
> > Windscreen sizes and shapes he wasi that the Trophy was very close to
> > not meeting a certain wind tunnel specification required by somecountry
> > out there. This was supposedly the reason that Triumph only
offered the
> > stock windscreen.
> >
> > Could the Clearview windscreen shape be one of your causes of
Wiggle at
> > those speeds ?
> >
> > Having only used the stock screen I have no reference to compare with.
> > <SNIP>
>
the handling is probably quite different than a stocker. I already
mentioned the engine. The suspension is a type IV Ohlins in the rear
with a full Race Tech Front suspension and 6 pot front brakes. I am
running a tall stock screen. The tires are Pilot Roads. It also has
Sprint wheels which are little stronger. As I mentioned even with all
three Givi Bags on (the topcase is an E52 which is larger than stock)
it is dead stable up to about 140mph.
I just rode an 2006 FJR and it felt similar for stability but had no
character and felt like an applicance. Much more engine heat than my
95 Trophy even with the newer FJR bodywork. I did like the electric
windscreen but those have been around for awhile.
We had a Triumph demo ride truck here this weekend and got to ride the
675 and Tiger. Well I know I won't be riding any more sport bikes like
that again. My neck and wrists can't take the strain. Great bike the
675; handling and motor were wonderful. Wonderful for a track day.
The Tiger was very much like the Trophy with less wind protection but
smoother but it was new of course. The bars and seating were really
comfortable but it is not a two-up bike.
Sooooo, haven't rode anything yet to replace the Trophy. I do want to
get a chance to ride the new Concours but even then it's hard to
justify that much money when the Trophy is paid for and just as good
or even better. And they will never match the character.
--- In TriumphTrophy@..., "alex_dz" <alexdz@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting, I just went through the luggage "instability" question
> myself. The last time I did a long trip, I had the Clearview medium
> on with panniers and top box. I did NOT like the feeling at high
> speeds, especially passing large trucks. At the time I blamed the
> Clearview and went back to the stock screen--which despite being very
> loud gives me less buffeting than the Clearview (my Laminar Lip
> experiment, while successful, ended last year because I got sick of
> looking through it).
>
> Anyway, since then I've mainly used the bike for my commute, with the
> stock screen, top box, and NO panniers. This configuration proved
> stable enough at the max 80-90 mph speeds I typically see. The other
> day I put the panniers back on the bike and went for an interstate
> run, and whoa did it feel squirrely! I came home and took the top box
> off and did it again with just the panniers and it was fine.
>
> So, to sum up: Top box no panniers, stable; panniers no top box,
> stable; panniers and top box, squirrely! Clearview, possibly falsely
> accused of being squirrely, although possibly still a contributor.
> Keep in mind it's a rare event for me to hit 100 around here, so at
> higher speeds things may be completely different.
>
> Alex
>
> --- In TriumphTrophy@..., "Robert Clark" <apsllp@> wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. When I spoke tot he Triumph rep abouot alternative
> > Windscreen sizes and shapes he wasi that the Trophy was very close to
> > not meeting a certain wind tunnel specification required by some
> > out there. This was supposedly the reason that Triumph only
offered the
> > stock windscreen.
> >
> > Could the Clearview windscreen shape be one of your causes of
Wiggle at
> > those speeds ?
> >
> > Having only used the stock screen I have no reference to compare with.
> > <SNIP>
>
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