Re: Most pertinent on v11.4 converting question

To be fair to 4D, I think Harry's assessment needs to be put into the  
appropriate context...

4D just can't win here - they originally planned to have 2 separate  
product lines precisely because they realised themselves that the  
"jump" may be too big, but then the developers moaned . . . "we want  
our structures to be upgradeable and not left behind".

Right, so they go and spend another 2 years doing a huge amount of  
code writing themselves to make sure our old structures work  
transparently with the new DB engine, 4D can run 2 languages at the  
same time, SQL can work alongside 4D native, our form objects go from  
custom to native OS objects without us having to redo our forms, we  
can work in Unicode but our old ASCII stuff still works, we can use  
SQL and modify the structure but we still can do it in the structure  
editor, our datafiles automatically upgrade without import/
export . . . and that's just the stuff I know about.

Now the developer's come along and complain that their 20 year old  
database designed in 1989, doesn't convert with a double-click !?

Notwithstanding some specific concerns about v11, we are generally a  
bunch of spoiled developers in the 4D world compared to most  
environments I've worked in and Harry, your post is a good example of  
this. Instead of measuring the work involved in upgrading against the  
work we're NOT having to do, or the work required in other  
development environments you measure it against NO work at all -:))  !

I hope 4D can continue to improve the upgradeability process for  
legacy structures, but more than anything, I hope the server  
reliability can be addressed because this for me is what makes  
everything else worth doing (..or 'not' as the case may be).

As far as this remark goes, I can only offer some background reading  
if you really think the grass is so much greener...

On 25 Jun 2009, at 21:54, Harry A. Bernstein M.D. wrote:
> ...  I just lost my long time
> developer, who decided that he would no longer want to be involved  
> with what
> he
> described as unworkable 4D Server.

See . . .

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/sqldatabaseengine/ 
thread/60611cc4-b127-4b40-8cb7-4287ac8e3040/

http://www.phwinfo.com/forum/ms-sqlserver-server/361777-sql-server- 
crash-lot-time.html

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Servers/Q_23521474.html

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic496241-340-1.aspx

http://bytes.com/groups/ms-sql/80800-help-sql-server-crash-memory-leak

http://www.mydatabasesupport.com/forums/ms-sqlserver/140095-sql- 
server-crashing-fatal-exception-no-fix.html

http://sqlserverpedia.com/blog/uncategorized/why-does-our-sql-server- 
crash-with-multiple-connections/

http://www.lazydba.com/sql/1__598.html

http://www.codingforums.com/showthread.php?t=88012

Regards

Peter



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