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Re: Most pertinent on v11.4 converting question
by Walt Nelson-4
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Harry,
When I voiced my opinions, most 4D developers rained down scorn upon me. You
should have seen some of the messages I received!
But my concern was not for 4D Developers, but for 4D CUSTOMERS like you --
especially customers from the medical profession. 4D has deeply penetrated
the medical market, but my fear was that if too many MD's have experiences
like yours, the negative word-of-mouth in the medical community would be a
killer for 4D.
11.4 contained more than 25 crashing/freezing bug fixes, but is it now
stable enough for 4D Server 24/7 deployment in multi-user environments? That
is the question.
As you quoted me, I still feel that "v11" should have been released in small
increments over a 3, 4, or 5-year period, to make the conversion and bugs
more manageable. Every authoritative tome on software development warns
against biting off too much in one version. When I looked at v11, I just
could not believe that 4D Inc. would so blatantly violate this basic
concept.
But that doesn't help you, Harry. I read on this forum that someone else
finally went back to 2004. That might be a viable option for you. I know it
is an "admission of failure," and a "waste of money," but just focus on how
happy you will be having a stable version again, and how unhappy you will
remain if you continue to struggle.
In a few years, v11 will no doubt be as stable as 2004, but by many
accounts, it's not there yet. If that is the reality, it would be wise to
deal with that reality, rather than engaging in wishful thinking.
HTH,
Walt Nelson - Guam
Harry A. Bernstein M.D."wrote:
> So, who is going to pay for V11? Walt Nelson - Guam was head on about this
> several months ago! The jump from legacy 4D to V11 is much too big! It
> should
> have been done in smaller steps. 2003/2004 to 2009 is silly.
>
> Now the real stinger: after a year of V11 development, and 4D server
> causing
> you and your user's blood pressure to go thru the roof, V12 comes around
> that
> basically sunsets the 4D Language (at the last summit 4D people called it
> the
> 'old' language), which is to be replaced by an ECMAScript Language
> Specification.
>
> I guess that's why some people talk about V11 being a bridge release. For
> some
> the bridge may serve to jump off of it, instead of going over it.
>
> As always, my 2 cents worth...
>
> Regards,
>
> Harry.
>
> PS: I am somewhat dark sided right now because I just lost my long time
> developer, who decided that he would no longer want to be involved with
> what
> he described as unworkable 4D Server.
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When I voiced my opinions, most 4D developers rained down scorn upon me. You
should have seen some of the messages I received!
But my concern was not for 4D Developers, but for 4D CUSTOMERS like you --
especially customers from the medical profession. 4D has deeply penetrated
the medical market, but my fear was that if too many MD's have experiences
like yours, the negative word-of-mouth in the medical community would be a
killer for 4D.
11.4 contained more than 25 crashing/freezing bug fixes, but is it now
stable enough for 4D Server 24/7 deployment in multi-user environments? That
is the question.
As you quoted me, I still feel that "v11" should have been released in small
increments over a 3, 4, or 5-year period, to make the conversion and bugs
more manageable. Every authoritative tome on software development warns
against biting off too much in one version. When I looked at v11, I just
could not believe that 4D Inc. would so blatantly violate this basic
concept.
But that doesn't help you, Harry. I read on this forum that someone else
finally went back to 2004. That might be a viable option for you. I know it
is an "admission of failure," and a "waste of money," but just focus on how
happy you will be having a stable version again, and how unhappy you will
remain if you continue to struggle.
In a few years, v11 will no doubt be as stable as 2004, but by many
accounts, it's not there yet. If that is the reality, it would be wise to
deal with that reality, rather than engaging in wishful thinking.
HTH,
Walt Nelson - Guam
Harry A. Bernstein M.D."wrote:
> So, who is going to pay for V11? Walt Nelson - Guam was head on about this
> several months ago! The jump from legacy 4D to V11 is much too big! It
> should
> have been done in smaller steps. 2003/2004 to 2009 is silly.
>
> Now the real stinger: after a year of V11 development, and 4D server
> causing
> you and your user's blood pressure to go thru the roof, V12 comes around
> that
> basically sunsets the 4D Language (at the last summit 4D people called it
> the
> 'old' language), which is to be replaced by an ECMAScript Language
> Specification.
>
> I guess that's why some people talk about V11 being a bridge release. For
> some
> the bridge may serve to jump off of it, instead of going over it.
>
> As always, my 2 cents worth...
>
> Regards,
>
> Harry.
>
> PS: I am somewhat dark sided right now because I just lost my long time
> developer, who decided that he would no longer want to be involved with
> what
> he described as unworkable 4D Server.
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