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Re: New Topic: maillist vs. Forum and commits(and translation)
by Voxland, Nathan
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Reposting response on forum for those not subscribed:
First the easy ones:
2) It is fine to commit into the 1.9 branch. I do code review every
commit, especially from new committers and can easily roll back changes
that cause problems. We also have a set of unit and integration tests
we run before every release. The long term goal is to further improve
our test coverage, and to take advantage of crucible on
liquibase.jira.com to streamline the code review process.
If it gets too unwieldy, we can always go back to limited committers and
patches, but I am hoping that we can get this approach to work. It
lowers the bar to contributing code, makes the accepting submissions
process less error prone, and gives credit to contributors better.
3) If you could help with translating to German, that would be great.
You only need to create an account on the site wiki to edit pages and
create translations.
Then the bigger one:
1) You are right that you get more lag with the forum than with an email
list. It is also easier to ignore a forum than emails that come to you.
There are some things I really like about the forum, however, even for
devel lists.
a) Archives are more searchable and browsable. This is often not
as big of an issue, but there are many topics on the devel list (like
your questions on adding new database support, building, etc) that new
devels would like to be able to find easily.
b) There are some functionality such as polls, splitting topics,
etc. that would be useful
My hope was/is that we can find a good middle ground between the
features of the forum and the speed of the mailing list. Having topic
notifications go to the mailing list helps because you still get the
immediate feedback that something was posted while still keeping
discussion on the forum (unless people reply to the mailing list:) ).
Unfortunately, only the first topic post gets forwarded to the mailing
list, so you can't use it fully.
There are also RSS feeds available for each forum which does have an
every for every post, although I have noticed using google reader, there
is an hour or so delay before it shows up.
For the devel group, I want something that works best for:
a) getting people answers on the code (either from finding existing
answers or getting a response)
b) keeping people who commit from time to time engaged in the project
c) making anyone who wants to contribute to a topic feel that they
can
My focus for the past few months and for the next few months is around
building the liquibase community, and how the contributer community
communicates is a huge part of that. Adding the forum is an iteration
toward that goal, if it does not make sense to keep it, I am not against
dropping the devel forum in favor of the mailing list. If there are
other options that you think would be better, let me know. I have toyed
with the idea of an IRC channel or two as well, but I do not think the
community is large enough to support that yet.
Nathan
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Keeble [mailto:csuml@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:27 PM
To: liquibase-devel@...
Subject: Re: [Liquibase-devel] New Topic: maillist vs. Forum and
commits(and translation)
2) If your iffy about a patch normally you would attach to a post to the
liquibase-dev list and then a committer can check and commit it or make
comments about getting it in shape if there are problems with it. Can
you attach in the forums? If so do that or you can attach the patch to
the bug/feature request in sourceforge and then let someone know it
exists in the forum.
agree on (1) - I'm happy to get emails, but I won't be using the forums
so if liquibase switches over fully I'll not be going with it.
Paul
----- Original Message ----
From: LiquiBase Community Forum <nathan@...>
To: liquibase-devel@...
Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 18:30:46
Subject: [Liquibase-devel] New Topic: maillist vs. Forum and commits
(and translation)
A new topic, 'maillist vs. Forum and commits (and translation)', has
been made on a board you are watching.
You can see it at
http://liquibase.org/forum/index.php?topic=35.new#new
The text of the topic is shown below:
Hi,
i have two issues i want to discuss.
1) I strongly recommend to stick with the dev maillist for developer
issues. I dont know of a single OSS project which handles the dev
communication via Forum. Its so much slower than maillists and the
archiving issue is non-existant for devs normally. And if you need to
find something older, you still have an archive, just not as beautiful
as in a forum. But beauty is for users....
2) Is it ok that i can commit with my newly created JIRA account into
the 1.9 branch? I hope there is some quality check before you guys build
a new 1.9.x because i really dont want to break a release with my first
commit in case i ve missed something.
3) I can help out translating the wiki to german if you like. What do i
need in terms of accounts?
Marc
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First the easy ones:
2) It is fine to commit into the 1.9 branch. I do code review every
commit, especially from new committers and can easily roll back changes
that cause problems. We also have a set of unit and integration tests
we run before every release. The long term goal is to further improve
our test coverage, and to take advantage of crucible on
liquibase.jira.com to streamline the code review process.
If it gets too unwieldy, we can always go back to limited committers and
patches, but I am hoping that we can get this approach to work. It
lowers the bar to contributing code, makes the accepting submissions
process less error prone, and gives credit to contributors better.
3) If you could help with translating to German, that would be great.
You only need to create an account on the site wiki to edit pages and
create translations.
Then the bigger one:
1) You are right that you get more lag with the forum than with an email
list. It is also easier to ignore a forum than emails that come to you.
There are some things I really like about the forum, however, even for
devel lists.
a) Archives are more searchable and browsable. This is often not
as big of an issue, but there are many topics on the devel list (like
your questions on adding new database support, building, etc) that new
devels would like to be able to find easily.
b) There are some functionality such as polls, splitting topics,
etc. that would be useful
My hope was/is that we can find a good middle ground between the
features of the forum and the speed of the mailing list. Having topic
notifications go to the mailing list helps because you still get the
immediate feedback that something was posted while still keeping
discussion on the forum (unless people reply to the mailing list:) ).
Unfortunately, only the first topic post gets forwarded to the mailing
list, so you can't use it fully.
There are also RSS feeds available for each forum which does have an
every for every post, although I have noticed using google reader, there
is an hour or so delay before it shows up.
For the devel group, I want something that works best for:
a) getting people answers on the code (either from finding existing
answers or getting a response)
b) keeping people who commit from time to time engaged in the project
c) making anyone who wants to contribute to a topic feel that they
can
My focus for the past few months and for the next few months is around
building the liquibase community, and how the contributer community
communicates is a huge part of that. Adding the forum is an iteration
toward that goal, if it does not make sense to keep it, I am not against
dropping the devel forum in favor of the mailing list. If there are
other options that you think would be better, let me know. I have toyed
with the idea of an IRC channel or two as well, but I do not think the
community is large enough to support that yet.
Nathan
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Keeble [mailto:csuml@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 1:27 PM
To: liquibase-devel@...
Subject: Re: [Liquibase-devel] New Topic: maillist vs. Forum and
commits(and translation)
2) If your iffy about a patch normally you would attach to a post to the
liquibase-dev list and then a committer can check and commit it or make
comments about getting it in shape if there are problems with it. Can
you attach in the forums? If so do that or you can attach the patch to
the bug/feature request in sourceforge and then let someone know it
exists in the forum.
agree on (1) - I'm happy to get emails, but I won't be using the forums
so if liquibase switches over fully I'll not be going with it.
Paul
----- Original Message ----
From: LiquiBase Community Forum <nathan@...>
To: liquibase-devel@...
Sent: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009 18:30:46
Subject: [Liquibase-devel] New Topic: maillist vs. Forum and commits
(and translation)
A new topic, 'maillist vs. Forum and commits (and translation)', has
been made on a board you are watching.
You can see it at
http://liquibase.org/forum/index.php?topic=35.new#new
The text of the topic is shown below:
Hi,
i have two issues i want to discuss.
1) I strongly recommend to stick with the dev maillist for developer
issues. I dont know of a single OSS project which handles the dev
communication via Forum. Its so much slower than maillists and the
archiving issue is non-existant for devs normally. And if you need to
find something older, you still have an archive, just not as beautiful
as in a forum. But beauty is for users....
2) Is it ok that i can commit with my newly created JIRA account into
the 1.9 branch? I hope there is some quality check before you guys build
a new 1.9.x because i really dont want to break a release with my first
commit in case i ve missed something.
3) I can help out translating the wiki to german if you like. What do i
need in terms of accounts?
Marc
Unsubscribe to new topics from this board by clicking here:
http://liquibase.org/forum/index.php?action=notifyboard;board=2.0
Regards,
The LiquiBase Community Forum Team.
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looking to deploy the next generation of Solaris that includes the
latest
innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and
enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization.
Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get
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innovations from Sun and the OpenSource community. Download a copy and
enjoy capabilities such as Networking, Storage and Virtualization.
Go to: http://p.sf.net/sfu/opensolaris-get
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