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by John Clark-12
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Bruno Marchal <marchal@...> wrote:
Your proof hinges on the fundamental difference between this 1-view and 3-view stuff but you haven't unambiguously nailed down what you mean by those terms as you must if you want to use them in a mathematical proof. In the first place just because a outside observer sees somebody write something in a personal diary does not prove that is what a person feels, it does not prove that is a description of the subjective experience (or the "1-view" in your obscure terminology) or is even proof that a 1-view, any 1-view even exists. The only "1-view" you know for a fact to exist is your own.
In the second place despite my repeated requests you can not give me a single example of something identical from the "3-view" but not from the "1-view" and I've lost track of how many times you've chastised me for "misunderstanding" and not looking at things from the "1-view" which is supposed to be very different.
If things are identical from the 1-view they may or may not be identical from the 3-view, BUT if they are identical from the 1-view then they are always identical from the 1-view.
Delays are a needless complication that add nothing to the thought experiment.
John K Clark
-- > The 1-views are assimilated to the content of the personal diary that the candidate takes with him in the teleportation or duplication experiments. The 3-views are corresponding to what is roughly described by an external observer
Your proof hinges on the fundamental difference between this 1-view and 3-view stuff but you haven't unambiguously nailed down what you mean by those terms as you must if you want to use them in a mathematical proof. In the first place just because a outside observer sees somebody write something in a personal diary does not prove that is what a person feels, it does not prove that is a description of the subjective experience (or the "1-view" in your obscure terminology) or is even proof that a 1-view, any 1-view even exists. The only "1-view" you know for a fact to exist is your own.
In the second place despite my repeated requests you can not give me a single example of something identical from the "3-view" but not from the "1-view" and I've lost track of how many times you've chastised me for "misunderstanding" and not looking at things from the "1-view" which is supposed to be very different.
> Step 2 illustrates already, without duplication, the difference between the 1-view and the 3-view.
If things are identical from the 1-view they may or may not be identical from the 3-view, BUT if they are identical from the 1-view then they are always identical from the 1-view.
>We can vary arbitrarily the delays in step 2
Delays are a needless complication that add nothing to the thought experiment.
John K Clark
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