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by Jon Kern
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it is always hard to nail things like this down.
Does a UML Certification mean someone can design and architect with UML?
But funny that you mention it... I assumed that a daily meeting was a
given, but you are right. The question should have been asked.
I also mentioned in an answer that I found it hard to answer a couple of
questions as Yes/No. Sometimes our team gets disrupted -- but for good
business reasons.
And, even producing working software is not sufficient. Necessary, yes.
But not sufficient.
At least an attempt was being made to make the project groups think
about the processes they are following. That goes in the plus column. A
for effort. Admittedly, this is a very low cost technique -- and with
commensurate returns, most likely.
The Holy Grail is to tie effort to results so one can deduce
effectiveness of process. Easy in a brick factory. Hard in a highly
creative, knowledge work, one-of-a-kind studio -- where effectiveness is
partly process but largely people skills.
jon
blog: http://technicaldebt.wetpaint.com
profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern
Jim Ungar said the following on 1/6/09 4:20 PM:
>
> Hi Lane -
>
> I think it misses one of the most important elements of Scrum -
> communication. The list needs to include a daily scrum, at least. I
> need to know more about the product owner than who they are - I want
> to know what they did yesterday, what they plan to do today, and
> whether they have any obstacles. Same with the rest of the team.
> In addition, all teams encounter disruptions to their work - the
> survey might ask whether these disruptions are addressed immediately
> and directly.
> One could answer all of these survey questions correctly and still not
> be "implementing Scrum correctly".
> There are those on this list that would say the only measure of
> success is "working software" - regardless of how well you implemented
> Scrum.
>
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM, lanehalley <Lane@...
> <mailto:Lane@...>> wrote:
>
> I'd be curious to know the opinion of this group, do the elements in
> this survey really define "correct Scrum" from your perspective?
>
> thanks!
>
> -lane
>
> --- In agile-usability@...
> <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>, "Robin Dymond"
>
>
> <robin.dymond@...> wrote:
> >
> > A basic pass / fail test was developed at Nokia to understand if the
> > many teams were implementing Scrum correctly. You can take this test
> > by clicking on the link below.
> >
> > I will aggregate the results and email them to you if you are
> > interested. I will present the results back to the Agile/Scrum
> > community for discussion once we have 1000 responses.
> >
> > Please forward this email to other teams so we can get as many
> > responses as possible.
> >
> > The test:
> >
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p_DGqV8jkE4Wmpir24Xt8Zg
> <http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p_DGqV8jkE4Wmpir24Xt8Zg>
> >
> > cheers,
> > Robin Dymond.
> > --
> > Robin Dymond, CST
> > Managing Partner, Innovel, LLC.
> > www.innovel.net <http://www.innovel.net>
> > www.scrumtraining.com <http://www.scrumtraining.com>
> > (804) 239-4329
> >
>
>
>
Does a UML Certification mean someone can design and architect with UML?
But funny that you mention it... I assumed that a daily meeting was a
given, but you are right. The question should have been asked.
I also mentioned in an answer that I found it hard to answer a couple of
questions as Yes/No. Sometimes our team gets disrupted -- but for good
business reasons.
And, even producing working software is not sufficient. Necessary, yes.
But not sufficient.
At least an attempt was being made to make the project groups think
about the processes they are following. That goes in the plus column. A
for effort. Admittedly, this is a very low cost technique -- and with
commensurate returns, most likely.
The Holy Grail is to tie effort to results so one can deduce
effectiveness of process. Easy in a brick factory. Hard in a highly
creative, knowledge work, one-of-a-kind studio -- where effectiveness is
partly process but largely people skills.
jon
blog: http://technicaldebt.wetpaint.com
profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern
Jim Ungar said the following on 1/6/09 4:20 PM:
>
> Hi Lane -
>
> I think it misses one of the most important elements of Scrum -
> communication. The list needs to include a daily scrum, at least. I
> need to know more about the product owner than who they are - I want
> to know what they did yesterday, what they plan to do today, and
> whether they have any obstacles. Same with the rest of the team.
> In addition, all teams encounter disruptions to their work - the
> survey might ask whether these disruptions are addressed immediately
> and directly.
> One could answer all of these survey questions correctly and still not
> be "implementing Scrum correctly".
> There are those on this list that would say the only measure of
> success is "working software" - regardless of how well you implemented
> Scrum.
>
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM, lanehalley <Lane@...
> <mailto:Lane@...>> wrote:
>
> I'd be curious to know the opinion of this group, do the elements in
> this survey really define "correct Scrum" from your perspective?
>
> thanks!
>
> -lane
>
> --- In agile-usability@...
> <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>, "Robin Dymond"
>
>
> <robin.dymond@...> wrote:
> >
> > A basic pass / fail test was developed at Nokia to understand if the
> > many teams were implementing Scrum correctly. You can take this test
> > by clicking on the link below.
> >
> > I will aggregate the results and email them to you if you are
> > interested. I will present the results back to the Agile/Scrum
> > community for discussion once we have 1000 responses.
> >
> > Please forward this email to other teams so we can get as many
> > responses as possible.
> >
> > The test:
> >
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p_DGqV8jkE4Wmpir24Xt8Zg
> <http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p_DGqV8jkE4Wmpir24Xt8Zg>
> >
> > cheers,
> > Robin Dymond.
> > --
> > Robin Dymond, CST
> > Managing Partner, Innovel, LLC.
> > www.innovel.net <http://www.innovel.net>
> > www.scrumtraining.com <http://www.scrumtraining.com>
> > (804) 239-4329
> >
>
>
>
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