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by Robin Dymond
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Yes this survey/test is far from perfect. However it is also a pretty
low bar that covers the basics. The survey is not intended to be
perfect or complete, but a first wide ranging probe into how the
community is doing at achieving some of the basic principles of Scrum
and Agile.
cheers,
Robin.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Jon Kern <jonkern@...> wrote:
> it is always hard to nail things like this down.
>
> Does a UML Certification mean someone can design and architect with UML?
>
> But funny that you mention it... I assumed that a daily meeting was a
> given, but you are right. The question should have been asked.
>
> I also mentioned in an answer that I found it hard to answer a couple of
> questions as Yes/No. Sometimes our team gets disrupted -- but for good
> business reasons.
>
> And, even producing working software is not sufficient. Necessary, yes.
> But not sufficient.
>
> At least an attempt was being made to make the project groups think
> about the processes they are following. That goes in the plus column. A
> for effort. Admittedly, this is a very low cost technique -- and with
> commensurate returns, most likely.
>
> The Holy Grail is to tie effort to results so one can deduce
> effectiveness of process. Easy in a brick factory. Hard in a highly
> creative, knowledge work, one-of-a-kind studio -- where effectiveness is
> partly process but largely people skills.
>
> jon
> blog: http://technicaldebt.wetpaint.com
> profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern
>
> Jim Ungar said the following on 1/6/09 4:20 PM:
>
>>
>> Hi Lane -
>>
>> I think it misses one of the most important elements of Scrum -
>> communication. The list needs to include a daily scrum, at least. I
>> need to know more about the product owner than who they are - I want
>> to know what they did yesterday, what they plan to do today, and
>> whether they have any obstacles. Same with the rest of the team.
>> In addition, all teams encounter disruptions to their work - the
>> survey might ask whether these disruptions are addressed immediately
>> and directly.
>> One could answer all of these survey questions correctly and still not
>> be "implementing Scrum correctly".
>> There are those on this list that would say the only measure of
>> success is "working software" - regardless of how well you implemented
>> Scrum.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM, lanehalley <Lane@...
>> <mailto:Lane@...>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd be curious to know the opinion of this group, do the elements in
>> this survey really define "correct Scrum" from your perspective?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> -lane
>>
>> --- In agile-usability@...
>> <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>, "Robin Dymond"
>>
>>
>> <robin.dymond@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > A basic pass / fail test was developed at Nokia to understand if the
>> > many teams were implementing Scrum correctly. You can take this test
>> > by clicking on the link below.
>> >
>> > I will aggregate the results and email them to you if you are
>> > interested. I will present the results back to the Agile/Scrum
>> > community for discussion once we have 1000 responses.
>> >
>> > Please forward this email to other teams so we can get as many
>> > responses as possible.
>> >
>> > The test:
>> >
>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p_DGqV8jkE4Wmpir24Xt8Zg
>> <http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p_DGqV8jkE4Wmpir24Xt8Zg>
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Robin Dymond.
>> > --
>> > Robin Dymond, CST
>> > Managing Partner, Innovel, LLC.
>> > www.innovel.net <http://www.innovel.net>
>> > www.scrumtraining.com <http://www.scrumtraining.com>
>> > (804) 239-4329
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Robin Dymond, CST
Managing Partner, Innovel, LLC.
www.innovel.net
www.scrumtraining.com
(804) 239-4329
low bar that covers the basics. The survey is not intended to be
perfect or complete, but a first wide ranging probe into how the
community is doing at achieving some of the basic principles of Scrum
and Agile.
cheers,
Robin.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Jon Kern <jonkern@...> wrote:
> it is always hard to nail things like this down.
>
> Does a UML Certification mean someone can design and architect with UML?
>
> But funny that you mention it... I assumed that a daily meeting was a
> given, but you are right. The question should have been asked.
>
> I also mentioned in an answer that I found it hard to answer a couple of
> questions as Yes/No. Sometimes our team gets disrupted -- but for good
> business reasons.
>
> And, even producing working software is not sufficient. Necessary, yes.
> But not sufficient.
>
> At least an attempt was being made to make the project groups think
> about the processes they are following. That goes in the plus column. A
> for effort. Admittedly, this is a very low cost technique -- and with
> commensurate returns, most likely.
>
> The Holy Grail is to tie effort to results so one can deduce
> effectiveness of process. Easy in a brick factory. Hard in a highly
> creative, knowledge work, one-of-a-kind studio -- where effectiveness is
> partly process but largely people skills.
>
> jon
> blog: http://technicaldebt.wetpaint.com
> profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jonkern
>
> Jim Ungar said the following on 1/6/09 4:20 PM:
>
>>
>> Hi Lane -
>>
>> I think it misses one of the most important elements of Scrum -
>> communication. The list needs to include a daily scrum, at least. I
>> need to know more about the product owner than who they are - I want
>> to know what they did yesterday, what they plan to do today, and
>> whether they have any obstacles. Same with the rest of the team.
>> In addition, all teams encounter disruptions to their work - the
>> survey might ask whether these disruptions are addressed immediately
>> and directly.
>> One could answer all of these survey questions correctly and still not
>> be "implementing Scrum correctly".
>> There are those on this list that would say the only measure of
>> success is "working software" - regardless of how well you implemented
>> Scrum.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 12:45 PM, lanehalley <Lane@...
>> <mailto:Lane@...>> wrote:
>>
>> I'd be curious to know the opinion of this group, do the elements in
>> this survey really define "correct Scrum" from your perspective?
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> -lane
>>
>> --- In agile-usability@...
>> <mailto:agile-usability%40yahoogroups.com>, "Robin Dymond"
>>
>>
>> <robin.dymond@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > A basic pass / fail test was developed at Nokia to understand if the
>> > many teams were implementing Scrum correctly. You can take this test
>> > by clicking on the link below.
>> >
>> > I will aggregate the results and email them to you if you are
>> > interested. I will present the results back to the Agile/Scrum
>> > community for discussion once we have 1000 responses.
>> >
>> > Please forward this email to other teams so we can get as many
>> > responses as possible.
>> >
>> > The test:
>> >
>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p_DGqV8jkE4Wmpir24Xt8Zg
>> <http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=p_DGqV8jkE4Wmpir24Xt8Zg>
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Robin Dymond.
>> > --
>> > Robin Dymond, CST
>> > Managing Partner, Innovel, LLC.
>> > www.innovel.net <http://www.innovel.net>
>> > www.scrumtraining.com <http://www.scrumtraining.com>
>> > (804) 239-4329
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
--
Robin Dymond, CST
Managing Partner, Innovel, LLC.
www.innovel.net
www.scrumtraining.com
(804) 239-4329
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