Re: Re: Refactoring dynamic languages

> 2009/9/3 Adam Sroka <adam.sroka@...>:
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>> As George mentioned, this list, and the XP list which you are also on,
>> are yahoo! lists. So, you must have an id. Try going here:
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>> https://edit.yahoo.com/forgotroot?done=http%3A%2F%2Fgroups.yahoo.com%2F&src=ygrp&partner=&intl=us
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>> And chose the option that you forgot your id.
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> George, Adam;
>
> Yes indeed I must have an Yahoo id, but I have completely forgotten the id/pw.
>
> I tried the help-page you suggested Adam, but both emails I tried
> didn't work. And older email adresses than that I cannot access
> anylonger..
>
> Oh well I tried George's idea of refactoring-subscribe - lets see if that works.
>
> Thanks for your help anyway!

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>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Olof Bjarnason<olof.bjarnason@...>
>> wrote:
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>>> 2009/9/2 Joshua Kerievsky <jlk@...>:
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>>>> We might consider having this discussion on the
>>>> refactoring@..., since there are some of the pioneers
>>>> of Refactoring on that list, and
>>>> they may have some interesting comments to make here. -jk
>>>
>>> Yeah that would be a good idea, I just don't have a yahoo id and the
>>> registration page looks, well, cumbersome.
>>>
>>> [ Why oh why do these big coorporations insist on me giving away all
>>> these details (when I'm born etc.)? 90% of all registrars just lie
>>> anyway ... I don't like to lie ]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:26 AM, isaiahperumalla
>>>> <isaiahperumalla@...>wrote:
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>>>>> > I think these can be overcome, no? Smalltalk seems to have done it.
>>>>> Ok there is a key difference here between Smalltalk and other dynamic
>>>>> languages. In any dynamic language you dont know the type of a varible
>>>>> until
>>>>> runtime, In Smalltalk you do everything inside an image, it is a system
>>>>> of
>>>>> living objects (
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://isaiahperumalla.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/smalltalk-a-world-of-living-objects/)
>>>>> where it's always runtime. The code browser doesn't browse source code,
>>>>> it
>>>>> browses running classes and objects. . So this allows us to get access
>>>>> to
>>>>> all the types of varibles. This is why smalltalk has such a powerfull
>>>>> tools.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In testdrivendevelopment@..., Alan Baljeu
>>>>> <alanbaljeu@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From the previous thread, it seems the big issue of TDD with dynamic
>>>>> languages (not counting smalltalk) is lack of tool support. I don't see
>>>>> why
>>>>> there can't be good support though. Starting with a few assumptions
>>>>> about
>>>>> clean coding practice, what's the obstacle?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I guess the hardest part is deciding the type of variables, in order
>>>>> > to
>>>>> update references to a class.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think these can be overcome, no? Smalltalk seems to have done it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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>>>> jk
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