Re: Review Request: move the delete button in send/receive accounts to the bottom, and place the spacer above it.

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(Updated 2009-08-10 16:46:16.534564)


Review request for KDE PIM and usability.


Changes
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Included the usability group. Please review this UI change.


Summary
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Just move the delete button in send/receive accounts to the bottom, and insert the spacer above it.


This addresses bug 106108.
    https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106108


Diffs
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  /trunk/KDE/kdepim/kmail/ui/accountspagereceivingtab.ui 1008773
  /trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/mailtransport/transportmanagementwidget.ui 1009682

Diff: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/diff


Testing
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The screenshots.


Screenshots
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send
  http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/172/
receive
  http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/173/


Thanks,

Jaime

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[Celeste Lyn Paul]

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The screenshot is clipped and doesn't show the change described in the review request?

- Celeste Lyn


On 2009-08-10 16:46:16, Jaime Torres wrote:

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> (Updated 2009-08-10 16:46:16)
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> Review request for KDE PIM and usability.
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>
> Summary
> -------
>
> Just move the delete button in send/receive accounts to the bottom, and insert the spacer above it.
>
>
> This addresses bug 106108.
>     https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106108
>
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
>   /trunk/KDE/kdepim/kmail/ui/accountspagereceivingtab.ui 1008773
>   /trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/mailtransport/transportmanagementwidget.ui 1009682
>
> Diff: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/diff
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>
> Testing
> -------
>
> The screenshots.
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> Screenshots
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>
> send
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/172/
> receive
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/173/
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jaime
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Hmm, I don't like it much, because:
- For me, it seems more logical that the Remove button is next or near the Add button
- Now it is inconsistent with the rest of KMail. Just look through the configuration dialog, there are many other places where Add and Remove
  buttons are used.

That said, if the usability people say that Remove should be spaced to the bottom like this, I'd say go ahead and change all places in KMail to that. Celeste, what is your opinion on this?

- Thomas


On 2009-08-10 16:46:16, Jaime Torres wrote:

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> (Updated 2009-08-10 16:46:16)
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>
> Review request for KDE PIM and usability.
>
>
> Summary
> -------
>
> Just move the delete button in send/receive accounts to the bottom, and insert the spacer above it.
>
>
> This addresses bug 106108.
>     https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106108
>
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
>   /trunk/KDE/kdepim/kmail/ui/accountspagereceivingtab.ui 1008773
>   /trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/mailtransport/transportmanagementwidget.ui 1009682
>
> Diff: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/diff
>
>
> Testing
> -------
>
> The screenshots.
>
>
> Screenshots
> -----------
>
> send
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/172/
> receive
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/173/
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jaime
>
>

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While you are at button moving: Can you switch the "Search" and "Stop" buttons
in the search mail window (press S)?
Everywhere in KDE the search button is the first and the stop button is the
last -- except the Search Mail window.

Markus


Am Mittwoch, 12. August 2009 16:11:45 schrieb Thomas McGuire:

> Hmm, I don't like it much, because:
> - For me, it seems more logical that the Remove button is next or near the
> Add button - Now it is inconsistent with the rest of KMail. Just look
> through the configuration dialog, there are many other places where Add and
> Remove buttons are used.
>
> That said, if the usability people say that Remove should be spaced to the
> bottom like this, I'd say go ahead and change all places in KMail to that.
> Celeste, what is your opinion on this?
>
> - Thomas

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(Updated 2009-08-12 15:44:46.372491)


Review request for KDE PIM and usability.


Changes
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Updated the screenshots.
I just thinked about this way of placing the buttons inspired by the Help and Defaults. Also because I'm really tired of message boxes saying "Are you sure you want to delete ...".


Summary
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Just move the delete button in send/receive accounts to the bottom, and insert the spacer above it.


This addresses bug 106108.
    https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106108


Diffs
-----

  /trunk/KDE/kdepim/kmail/ui/accountspagereceivingtab.ui 1008773
  /trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/mailtransport/transportmanagementwidget.ui 1009682

Diff: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/diff


Testing
-------

The screenshots.


Screenshots
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send
  http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/172/
receive
  http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/173/
send complete
  http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/178/
receive complete
  http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/179/


Thanks,

Jaime

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On Wednesday 12 August 2009 17:44:46 Jaime Torres wrote:

> Also because I'm really tired of message
> boxes saying "Are you sure you want to delete ...".

How placing delete in any location prevents showing "are you sure..."?
I think it was Dotan (*), who noticed that every removal action
should have it counterpart --> undo. This way the confirmation dialog
would be obsoleted.

(*) if not, apologies to original author of this idea

Ad rem -- scattering related buttons is actually u7y abuse -- now user
_has_ to move the mouse cursor all over the screen just to make some
data management.

Remove/add/modify are the basic set of data management, they should be
placed as group, even if remove seen as "dangerous" action.

Cheers,
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Sorry for the noise. I did not realized that the "Reset" button also restores the deleted accounts.
Therefore, only the Markus question is open. Do you think those buttons (Search and Stop) must be interchanged?

- Jaime


On 2009-08-12 15:44:46, Jaime Torres wrote:

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> (Updated 2009-08-12 15:44:46)
>
>
> Review request for KDE PIM and usability.
>
>
> Summary
> -------
>
> Just move the delete button in send/receive accounts to the bottom, and insert the spacer above it.
>
>
> This addresses bug 106108.
>     https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106108
>
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
>   /trunk/KDE/kdepim/kmail/ui/accountspagereceivingtab.ui 1008773
>   /trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/mailtransport/transportmanagementwidget.ui 1009682
>
> Diff: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/diff
>
>
> Testing
> -------
>
> The screenshots.
>
>
> Screenshots
> -----------
>
> send
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/172/
> receive
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/173/
> send complete
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/178/
> receive complete
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/179/
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jaime
>
>

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[Diego Moya]

2009/8/12 Maciej Pilichowski wrote:
> On Wednesday 12 August 2009 17:44:46 Jaime Torres wrote:
> I think it was Dotan (*), who noticed that every removal action
> should have it counterpart --> undo. This way the confirmation dialog
> would be obsoleted.
>
> (*) if not, apologies to original author of this idea

For those interested, I think it was Jef Raskin who originally noticed
that. His son Aza wrote a good article explaining the reasons:

Never Use a Warning When you Mean Undo
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/neveruseawarning/
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> On 2009-08-12 16:45:50, Jaime Torres wrote:
> > Sorry for the noise. I did not realized that the "Reset" button also restores the deleted accounts.
> > Therefore, only the Markus question is open. Do you think those buttons (Search and Stop) must be interchanged?

I don't see a question from Markus (?).
But I still want to hear the opinion of the usability people here.


- Thomas


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On 2009-08-12 15:44:46, Jaime Torres wrote:

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> (Updated 2009-08-12 15:44:46)
>
>
> Review request for KDE PIM and usability.
>
>
> Summary
> -------
>
> Just move the delete button in send/receive accounts to the bottom, and insert the spacer above it.
>
>
> This addresses bug 106108.
>     https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106108
>
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
>   /trunk/KDE/kdepim/kmail/ui/accountspagereceivingtab.ui 1008773
>   /trunk/KDE/kdepimlibs/mailtransport/transportmanagementwidget.ui 1009682
>
> Diff: http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/diff
>
>
> Testing
> -------
>
> The screenshots.
>
>
> Screenshots
> -----------
>
> send
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/172/
> receive
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/173/
> send complete
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/178/
> receive complete
>   http://reviewboard.kde.org/r/1259/s/179/
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jaime
>
>

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