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by Graeme Rocher-2
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Firstly, many people who adopt Grails don't even know they have
Spring. Grails is an abstraction layer over Spring. In other words
people, in my experience, don't consider upgrading the Spring jar
distributed with Grails, they think in terms of upgrading Grails not
upgrading Spring.
Its more an issue for us, the Grails developers, to make sure that we
are prompt with upgrading to the latest version of Spring after a
release. And to ensure any issues are reported. It may also be that
Grails releases become more aligned with Spring releases. And during
development we can always build a distribution of Spring from the
sources
The code in the Spring repo will be the latest code. Obviously some
feel its an issue, I personally think that it will be less of an
issue than is made out to be.
Cheers
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Marcel Overdijk
<marceloverdijk@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Erik that this policy change should not be underestimated.
>
> I think a lot of people (including myself) are trying to bring Grails under
> the attention of their managers and/or are starting their first commercial
> projects with Grails.
>
> But now with Spring's change in policy people will be more careful and think
> twice. Also for management the risk to need expensive subscriptions could be
> a blocker in this. Especially for small to medium (startup) projects.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> Erik Pragt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Graeme Rocher-2 wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a good relationship with the guys at SpringSource and don't
>>> have any immediate concerns no. I think there is a slight overreaction
>>> to the policy in that thread
>>>
>>
>> Sorry Graeme, but I think your taking things a bit to lightly here.
>>
>> This change in policy is a huge risk for any Spring related project, but
>> also for any project which relies on Spring. I don't think that having 'a
>> good relationship' will result in: Instead of charging $25.000 for it, we
>> give it for free. If that was the case, people would just download Grails
>> to get the latest Spring version from it.
>>
>> Since I think the future of Spring as a framework (especially with the new
>> money focusses approach) is a bit uncertain, I also fear a little bit for
>> Grails, since it so strongly depends on Spring. I'm not about to start a
>> panic here, but I think I need to be a little be more convinced about the
>> future of Grails + Spring before I'm at not concerned about the future of
>> Grails anymore.
>>
>> So: any idea on how this relationship could help Grails?
>>
>> Erik
>>
>> PS: This is not theoretical at all: Grails Remoting needs Spring 2.5.5.
>> Whith this policy in effect, Spring 2.5.5 would never have been released
>> to the public, I wouldn't have been able to use Grails in combination with
>> Grails Remoting, and I would have to find a different solution. Just some
>> context for my worries.
>>
>
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Spring. Grails is an abstraction layer over Spring. In other words
people, in my experience, don't consider upgrading the Spring jar
distributed with Grails, they think in terms of upgrading Grails not
upgrading Spring.
Its more an issue for us, the Grails developers, to make sure that we
are prompt with upgrading to the latest version of Spring after a
release. And to ensure any issues are reported. It may also be that
Grails releases become more aligned with Spring releases. And during
development we can always build a distribution of Spring from the
sources
The code in the Spring repo will be the latest code. Obviously some
feel its an issue, I personally think that it will be less of an
issue than is made out to be.
Cheers
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Marcel Overdijk
<marceloverdijk@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with Erik that this policy change should not be underestimated.
>
> I think a lot of people (including myself) are trying to bring Grails under
> the attention of their managers and/or are starting their first commercial
> projects with Grails.
>
> But now with Spring's change in policy people will be more careful and think
> twice. Also for management the risk to need expensive subscriptions could be
> a blocker in this. Especially for small to medium (startup) projects.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Marcel
>
>
>
>
>
> Erik Pragt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Graeme Rocher-2 wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a good relationship with the guys at SpringSource and don't
>>> have any immediate concerns no. I think there is a slight overreaction
>>> to the policy in that thread
>>>
>>
>> Sorry Graeme, but I think your taking things a bit to lightly here.
>>
>> This change in policy is a huge risk for any Spring related project, but
>> also for any project which relies on Spring. I don't think that having 'a
>> good relationship' will result in: Instead of charging $25.000 for it, we
>> give it for free. If that was the case, people would just download Grails
>> to get the latest Spring version from it.
>>
>> Since I think the future of Spring as a framework (especially with the new
>> money focusses approach) is a bit uncertain, I also fear a little bit for
>> Grails, since it so strongly depends on Spring. I'm not about to start a
>> panic here, but I think I need to be a little be more convinced about the
>> future of Grails + Spring before I'm at not concerned about the future of
>> Grails anymore.
>>
>> So: any idea on how this relationship could help Grails?
>>
>> Erik
>>
>> PS: This is not theoretical at all: Grails Remoting needs Spring 2.5.5.
>> Whith this policy in effect, Spring 2.5.5 would never have been released
>> to the public, I wouldn't have been able to use Grails in combination with
>> Grails Remoting, and I would have to find a different solution. Just some
>> context for my worries.
>>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Spring-tp19609427p19690873.html
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>
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Graeme Rocher
Grails Project Lead
G2One, Inc. Chief Technology Officer
http://www.g2one.com
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