Re: Stripes Ignored...Again

On Nov 14, 2007, at 7:16 AM, Gregg Bolinger wrote:

> I've got similar contacts and have been pondering such an idea for a
> while.  I was going to speak with Tim, Ben, and some others about  
> it to
> see if they would be interested.  The only problem I see with a  
> Stripes
> book is it would be 20 pages.  I'm not sure there is enough to stripes
> for an entire book.  It sounds bad when you say it but its glorious  
> when
> you use it. ;)

Oh, I think a book on Stripes would be quite good, and I think there  
can be a lot in it.

Because I think the book can be not just on Stripes (which, despite  
its simplicity, it has a lot of depth, all of which has nuances that  
needs to be documented), but also as a benchmark for solid design,  
integrating a back end (DAO, JPA, Stripernate), Ajaxifying stripes  
(Like Remis ajax validation interceptor), plus the work of describing  
a solid "Bugzooky"...something that a) does something meaningful  
(really meaningful) and does the "hard" things that you never see in  
anything else. Like, say, a header/detail screen, a solid grid  
display (ajaxified even), etc.

You want to bring folks to the platform, give them a really good  
sample application that does everything that folks need to do so they  
can copy and paste their way to glory. They'll start with the app and  
follow the patterns in the source code (and documented in the book)  
to get their projects going fast and yet still be lightweight.

Folks don't want technology, they want solutions, both consumers and  
developers. Everything we KNOW that folks do EVERY DAY, we continue  
to reinvent because there are all these crappy examples on the net.

A simple example, I'm here because Stripes painlessly binds and  
validates numbers and dates, something that is, apparently,  
impossible to do in Struts, or Spring MVC (at least at the time).  
And, with Struts, no way to easily bind lists.

Obviously, that's an exageration, but none of the examples did any of  
this. Spring wanted me to install some converter, like Stripes does.  
But it's a DATE, who the heck doesn't use DATEs, why the heck isn't  
that in the default package and you have to become an instant expert  
in the framework to load a freakin' date.

I've NEVER used the Type conversion feature of Stripes -- I just  
don't need it.

So, that's what will make Stripes popular. Solve the common cases for  
people, through technology and examples. Give folks a leg up. Give  
them a solution.

Regards,

Will Hartung

 

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