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Hi m.a., hi Colin,

On 06 Mar 2009, at 05:07, m.a. wrote:

Bruno,
           I've often wondered why neither Dr. Deutsch nor Alan Forrester has commented on your theory of UDA and AUDA. I certainly would be interested in their views. A theory that has execised some of the best minds on this list for months on end certainly deserves serious consideration. Best,
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It is a delicate question. You could perhaps ask them. 

I can provide general clues. 

- Quantum mechanics is not known by logicians. So it is easy to make someone interested in modern physics looking crazy for a logician: just say ``look it seems the guy is open to the notion of parallel universe".

- Gödel's theorem is not known by physicists. So it easy to make someone interested in self-reference looking crazy for a physicist: look even the big Penrose said craps on Gödel's theorem, no need to imagine what can say a total unknown and solitary researcher.

- Neither physicists nor logicians really knows about the mind-body problem. So it is easy to make someone interested in consciousness looking crazy: just say: this guy is interested on consciousness (with a grin).

Why does some people want me so much looking crazy? Well if I tell you, I would myself find you insane to believe me. So I will not even try.
If you known Belgium recent story, you can imagine, and reality is beyond what you can imagine.

Let us just say, like Colin Hales says in his rejection_101 document that it is hard to do inter-disciplinary work in a world of extreme specialization. That's at least true for all of us.

But I don't want you to give the impression that I feel being rejected. I am just ignored. And I have always been accepted by serious and humble scientists, but none listen to them, like if it existed Academy and Academy.  And I have even been praised, more than often, but with no follow-up. Never. There are good but unspeakable local and less local reasons. 

Now, even when all scientists in a some field agree, plausible evidences take time to be accepted. Look at the health politics in most countries. It is not just total non sense, it is criminal and economical non sense. Yet nothing changes. I believe more in cold fusion than in the danger of cannabis or salvia divinorum, you know, or even tobacco, when used properly. At least cold fusion and water memory does not arm.  But the overall resistance to harm reduction technics toward even just legal drugs can make you depressed and despaired about the willingness of human collectivity to be a bit more rational, and a bit more healthy.

I do appreciate David Deutsch and Alan Forrester. And I would certainly be pleased to have their opinions. But new things take time, especially when circumstances don't help. Give them enough time.

Bruno





 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruno Marchal" <marchal@...>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: The Amoeba's Secret - English Version started


> Even with politics operating behind the scene (which you have
> hinted), I can't imagine that nothing of the work is publishable.


I already discussed proposition of publishing "Conscience et  
Mécanisme" with three publishers, before my thesis was judged not  
receivable (meaning no private defense, nor public defense, I have  
*never* met those who criticize, not even my work, but a product of  
their imagination). Then silence, even after the defense in Lille, and  
even more after the paradoxical price in Paris.

I cannot explain. Or I can explain except that here reality is far  
beyond fiction as usual, but also more sad, and rather delicate if  
only because that story is not finished.
My life is more unbelievable than any thing I assert in my works. It  
took me 22 years to understand what happened in 1977, and since then.

I feel responsible to let them build they own trap, and then  get  
myself a bit worried seeing them to protect themselves from Brussels  
to Paris!

It is not because I have done an "original work" (say) in Brussels,  
that I got problems there. It is because I got problems in Brussels  
that I have done an original work. In 1977, they give me no chance,  
not even getting out of Belgium.
In 1994, my work was criticize vaguely as "not original", "too much  
simple",  and then "delirious". And now already "not from him" in some  
place. Which again shows the problems is not related with my findings,  
except it belongs to the kind of things you can easily use to treat  
you as a fool (Gödel's theorem, Quantum mechanics, consciousness: few  
understand so it is easy to say "not serious").

The little scandal has grown up all the time and is too big, now. It  
is the kind of manipulation which makes everyone feel responsible,  
from corporatist reflex to corporatist reflex, when actually there is  
only one, very clever, but very bad,  guy.
Now that "little scandal" has become big enough to throw light on  
other really bigger scandals. There are "cadavres dans les placards",  
as we say in French (corpses hidden in boxes). Mean of pressures.

I still believe in academies, but like in School "serial killer" can  
exist. When you see the time made by religious institution to protect  
their member of their hierarchy from their much grave behavior, I  
estimate it could take a long time if ever to understand and recognize  
what happened.
And I have no problem with serious academicians and scientists which  
understand enough to understand it is "serious", even if probably  
wrong, which I have myself never ceased to believe plausible (which  
explains why I am eager to discuss the validity of the UDA steps, with  
people interested). I did defend the work as PhD thesis. I was asked  
many questions, I answered them and everyone got the idea. Some people  
takes time, but most get enough to trust the interest of the work.  
Still today, few get both UDA and AUDA.

UDA is almost easy, but not so easy. AUDA is very *simple*, once you  
understand enough standard logic (which I have discovered is  
excessively rare). The whole thing is strongly interdisciplinary, and  
between disciplines, rumors circulate more quickly than "scientific  
bridge",  which often makes people feeling being aggressed on their  
territories. Even more so when the work approaches question  
traditionally qualified as "philosophical".

My initial power comes from the fact that in 1977, I did abandoned,  
for bad reasons (but it will take many years to understand that), the  
idea of doing academic research, and so I did come back to the very  
fundamental questioning I have always been living. I didn't and don't  
complain (my weakness probably).
And it is the Academy, 20 years later, which will push me back again,  
and again. I have never submitted publications by myself. All have  
been asked by people, having heard I said something new, sometimes  
insisting gently. Nowadays, since those events, even ordered paper (or  
jobs) get jeopardized quickly. Last year I was asked to write a paper  
for a book in homage to the late logician Jean Ladrière, (who offered  
to me its formidable book on Gödel theorems: Les limitations internes  
des formalismes"), and then ... nothing again. I am used to it.

Thanks for your interest,

Bruno

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/










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