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Re: The meaning of Integrated
by Kurt Olsen-3
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Regarding Eclipse, no actually, I download the standard version then add
the subversion plugin. That's all.
And I can download versions of Netbeans and Eclipse that include Java if
I'm not mistaken.
The point folks, is that integrated is, or isn't, and we're getting away
from an 'integration level' that is useful.
I'm trying to point out that there was a reason IDE's were create.
And when you require a lot of customization, or additional software,
then you are NOT integrated.
It's about that simple. If you integrate, then do all of it, or at least
provide wizards to help with the 'extra installs'.
If you don't do either of those, then you aren't integrated.
As usual, thanks for listening, and the feedback.
Take care,
Kurt
> And from the stories we here, apparently you have to also download and
> install a whole load of plugins in order to get Eclipse to do anything
> useful.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Will Hartung <mailto:willh@...>
> *To:* nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2008 8:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Kurt Olsen
> <kolsen@...
> <mailto:kolsen@...>> wrote:
>
> If you can't install the
> whole--thing-tool-module-whatever-here - YOU ARE NOT INTEGRATED!
>
>
> Funny, all of the IDEs I know require you to install an Operating
> System and Java before they'll run.
>
> All of the IDEs I know of need you to install the appropriate DB
> drivers if you want to use any of the database functionality.
>
> My IDE didn't come with a keyboard or mouse either, yet it seems
> to require those in order for me to interact with it. Pretty
> arrogant of it I think.
>
>
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the subversion plugin. That's all.
And I can download versions of Netbeans and Eclipse that include Java if
I'm not mistaken.
The point folks, is that integrated is, or isn't, and we're getting away
from an 'integration level' that is useful.
I'm trying to point out that there was a reason IDE's were create.
And when you require a lot of customization, or additional software,
then you are NOT integrated.
It's about that simple. If you integrate, then do all of it, or at least
provide wizards to help with the 'extra installs'.
If you don't do either of those, then you aren't integrated.
As usual, thanks for listening, and the feedback.
Take care,
Kurt
> And from the stories we here, apparently you have to also download and
> install a whole load of plugins in order to get Eclipse to do anything
> useful.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Will Hartung <mailto:willh@...>
> *To:* nbusers@... <mailto:nbusers@...>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 14, 2008 8:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [nbusers] The meaning of Integrated
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Kurt Olsen
> <kolsen@...
> <mailto:kolsen@...>> wrote:
>
> If you can't install the
> whole--thing-tool-module-whatever-here - YOU ARE NOT INTEGRATED!
>
>
> Funny, all of the IDEs I know require you to install an Operating
> System and Java before they'll run.
>
> All of the IDEs I know of need you to install the appropriate DB
> drivers if you want to use any of the database functionality.
>
> My IDE didn't come with a keyboard or mouse either, yet it seems
> to require those in order for me to interact with it. Pretty
> arrogant of it I think.
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1551 - Release Date: 7/14/2008 6:49 AM
>
>
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