Re: Translations, Polish

[Jerzy Luszawski]

It looks like I replied only to Jim, so I repost it to the list :


Re: Your message from Friday 30 October 2009 09:17:19 :

> On 2009-10-26, at 3:27 AM, Jerzy Luszawski wrote:
>
> > I also have a small part translated to Polish
>
> There are 45 translations in Launchpad contributed by Wojtek however for
>
> There are no episodes for this health issue.
>
> he supplied
(...)
> So which is more satisfactory... Wojtek's or Google's and (if  
> Google's) is it good enough?
Neither. Leave it. I'll try to review all Polish transation in Launchpad this weekend.

Main question is what are the best Polish translations of all basic EMR item names: "health issue", "episode" and "encounter".

I have just searched the Google for any resources on EMR (EHR) in Polish, and there are only a few, which deal with EHR, but without such details as episodes and encounters or similiar things. Everything is in English! So I may say there are no coined Polish terms for them.
The "health issue" is easy, but how to translate in one word "episode" and "encounter" - I'm still not sure.
I asked on the Polish translation forum. Waiting for answer.

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[Karsten Hilbert]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 01:12:53PM +0100, Jerzy Luszawski wrote:

> Main question is what are the best Polish translations of
> all basic EMR item names: "health issue", "episode" and
> "encounter".

Remember that in some ways we are breaking ground here. So
there may not actually be established, "good" terms for
either.

> I have just searched the Google for any resources on EMR
> (EHR) in Polish, and there are only a few, which deal with
> EHR, but without such details as episodes and encounters or
> similiar things. Everything is in English! So I may say
> there are no coined Polish terms for them.

Jerzy, you are leading the pack then ! What a great (and
difficult) position to be in :)

> The "health issue" is easy, but how to translate in one word "episode" and "encounter" - I'm still not sure.
> I asked on the Polish translation forum. Waiting for answer.

It often helps to go back to the intended meaning of the
terms. Here are our definitions:

        http://wiki.gnumed.de/bin/view/Gnumed/BasicEmrConcept

Other, similar, terms for encounter would be "visit" and
"consultation" both of which have their shortcomings.

HTH,
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[Jim Busser]

On 2009-10-30, at 5:36 AM, Karsten Hilbert wrote:

It often helps to go back to the intended meaning of the
terms. Here are our definitions:

http://wiki.gnumed.de/bin/view/Gnumed/BasicEmrConcept

Other, similar, terms for encounter would be "visit" and
"consultation" both of which have their shortcomings.

Better: Interaction

I put the link plus Sebastian's shortcuts onto

http://wiki.gnumed.de/bin/view/Gnumed/FrontendI18N

also I made (I think) a clearer integration and separation of information at

http://wiki.gnumed.de/bin/view/Gnumed/I18N

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[Jerzy Luszawski]

Friday 30 October 2009 21:12:28 Jim Busser napisał(a):
> > It often helps to go back to the intended meaning of the
> > terms. Here are our definitions:
> >
> > http://wiki.gnumed.de/bin/view/Gnumed/BasicEmrConcept
Yeah, I read it over and over.
> >
> > Other, similar, terms for encounter would be "visit" and
> > "consultation" both of which have their shortcomings.
>
> Better: Interaction
As far as I understand, an encounter is not only a consultation, but also any
lab test, x-ray, data import, etc. - correct?
So, the best Polish translation that came to my mind is "zdarzenie", which
translated back means "event". How do you like it?

I think I will use "episode" literally. There is a Polish word with simiiar
meaning.

I have reviewed and changed the Polish translatiions in Launchpad. They can be
used now without (major) mistakes, I hope.

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[Jim Busser]

On 2009-11-03, at 8:23 PM, Jerzy Luszawski wrote:

> As far as I understand, an encounter is not only a consultation, but  
> also any
> lab test, x-ray, data import, etc. - correct?
> So, the best Polish translation that came to my mind is "zdarzenie",  
> which
> translated back means "event". How do you like it?

"Event" is pretty good except it gives the possibility of being  
"remote" and without any touching of the EMR system.

The English word "encounter" has the additional sense of "meeting" or  
"running into" or "contact event" (or interaction although there  
exists also drug interactions),

I have a Polish doctor friend in Canada that I can also ask


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[Karsten Hilbert]

On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 05:23:15AM +0100, Jerzy Luszawski wrote:

> I have reviewed and changed the Polish translatiions in Launchpad. They can be
> used now without (major) mistakes, I hope.

That's great. Please remind me to download when I start
talking about releasing 0.6 so I don't forget.

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[Karsten Hilbert]

On Tue, Nov 03, 2009 at 08:48:19PM -0800, Jim Busser wrote:

> The English word "encounter" has the additional sense of "meeting"
> or "running into" or "contact event" (or interaction although there
> exists also drug interactions),
>
> I have a Polish doctor friend in Canada that I can also ask

I think that'd be a great additional idea. Maybe he'd be
willing to proof-read our new Polish translation ?

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[Jim Busser]

On 2009-11-04, at 1:40 PM, Karsten Hilbert wrote:

I have a Polish doctor friend in Canada that I can also ask

I think that'd be a great additional idea. Maybe he'd be
willing to proof-read our new Polish translation ?

Jerzy wrote

I have reviewed and changed the Polish translatiions in Launchpad. They can be used now without (major) mistakes, I hope.

hopefully he meant only that he had done *some* Polish translations, there remain many more to be eventually done but I expect he picked some main ones?

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[Jerzy Luszawski]

Thursday 05 November 2009 01:58:08 Jim Busser napisał(a):
> On 2009-11-04, at 1:40 PM, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
>
> >> I have a Polish doctor friend in Canada that I can also ask
> >
> > I think that'd be a great additional idea. Maybe he'd be
> > willing to proof-read our new Polish translation ?
Good idea. I'll try to provide about 25-50% of translation ASAP, I mean by the end of the next week.
> Jerzy wrote
>
> > I have reviewed and changed the Polish translatiions in Launchpad.  
> > They can be used now without (major) mistakes, I hope.
>
>
> hopefully he meant only that he had done *some* Polish translations,  
> there remain many more to be eventually done but I expect he picked  
> some main ones?
Yes, I only corrected some obvious mistakes made by unknown to me contributor, not adding more transations.

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[Jerzy Luszawski]

> > > I have reviewed and changed the Polish translatiions in Launchpad.  
> > > They can be used now without (major) mistakes, I hope.
> >
> >
> > hopefully he meant only that he had done *some* Polish translations,  
> > there remain many more to be eventually done but I expect he picked  
> > some main ones?
> Yes, I only corrected some obvious mistakes made by unknown to me contributor, not adding more transations.

I continue to add items for Polish translation, but please, please, change the acces from "open" to at least "structured", to avoid someone messing up with our translations.

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[Karsten Hilbert]

> > > > I have reviewed and changed the Polish translatiions in Launchpad.  
> > > > They can be used now without (major) mistakes, I hope.
> > >
> > >
> > > hopefully he meant only that he had done *some* Polish translations,  
> > > there remain many more to be eventually done but I expect he picked  
> > > some main ones?
> > Yes, I only corrected some obvious mistakes made by unknown to me
> contributor, not adding more transations.
>
> I continue to add items for Polish translation, but please, please, change
> the acces from "open" to at least "structured", to avoid someone messing
> up with our translations.

I would be fine with that !

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[Karsten Hilbert]

> I continue to add items for Polish translation, but please, please, change
> the acces from "open" to at least "structured", to avoid someone messing
> up with our translations.

On checking it already is ?!?

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[Sebastian Hilbert]

Am Montag 09 November 2009 19:11:11 schrieb Karsten Hilbert:
> > I continue to add items for Polish translation, but please, please,
> > change the acces from "open" to at least "structured", to avoid someone
> > messing up with our translations.
>
> On checking it already is ?!?
>
> Karsten
>
Same here ?!


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[Jim Busser]

On 2009-11-09, at 10:11 AM, Karsten Hilbert wrote:

I continue to add items for Polish translation, but please, please, change

the acces from "open" to at least "structured", to avoid someone messing

up with our translations.

On checking it already is ?!?

Yes, I did so but that commits us to designating a Translation Team which we did not yet do... per the recommendation at Launchpad, I did in the meantime designate "Launchpad translators" to be the translation group but since they may be no better than well-intentioned lay people we probably need to create our own and I or someone needs to determine how that works... as a "note to self" for later, I can go to 

https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion

and input

Should a medical project have its own Translation team?

which brings me to some previously-answered questions I can review later.

In the meantime I sent an email introducing our thoughts about *medical* (GNUmed) translation to the launchpad transition team owner, who happens to be Mark Shuttleworth.

Below BTW is the help text from Launchpad. A good first link is

https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/LaunchpadTranslators

Translation groups

Launchpad makes it easy for anyone to make or suggest translations for your project.

Translation groups are a convenient way to delegate responsibility for reviewing the translations that people suggest for your project.

Each translation group is an umbrella organisations — made up of teams and individuals — that have taken responsibility for a particular language.

When you choose a translation group, you're entrusting the review of your project's translations to its members. Each group has its own policies for standard vocabulary, how to handle plural forms and so on.

Unless your project is a member of an umbrella group that has its own translations group in Launchpad, or you have other specific needs, you should choose the Launchpad Translators group. (Read Launchpad Translators' policy >)

To choose an alternative group, browse the list of translation groups in Launchpad. If you are certain none of the existing groups is suitable, contact the Launchpad team.

Read more about translating your project >
Read about translation groups from a translator's perspective >

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[Jerzy Luszawski]

Monday 09 November 2009 19:11:11 Karsten Hilbert napisał(a):
> > I continue to add items for Polish translation, but please, please, change
> > the acces from "open" to at least "structured", to avoid someone messing
> > up with our translations.
>
> On checking it already is ?!?
Well, it wasn't when I posted the request. I have double checked it, because I remember someone's post about changing it. Now it is.
Thanks.

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[Jerzy Luszawski]

Monday 09 November 2009 19:42:40 Jim Busser napisał(a):
> ... I did  
> in the meantime designate "Launchpad translators" to be the  
> translation group but since they may be no better than well-
> intentioned lay people we probably need to create our own and I or  
> someone needs to determine how that works...
Quoting the LP help:
"if your project's translation group has assigned an INDIVIDUAL or team to a particular language, only that person or members of that team can review and accept translation strings for that language."

Why don't we assign an INDIVIDUAL  from gnumed team for each language?
It is quite specialized translation, as Jim mentioned and I see no more medical translation teams in LP. I see no reason to join the general "Launchpad Translators" group or to bother them with our medical software. There is no Polish team within "Launchpad Translators", and I'd rather not create one for myself only.
Jim - could you check if it is really possible to assign an individual for each language for GNUmed?

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[Jim Busser]

On 2009-11-09, at 1:06 PM, Jerzy Luszawski wrote:

> Why don't we assign an INDIVIDUAL  from gnumed team for each language?

i can only assign "No value" (or an existing group) so I have assigned  
'"No value " for now and we need only figure out the authorization /  
merge process in time for a next major release :-)


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[Jim Busser]

On 2009-11-09, at 1:06 PM, Jerzy Luszawski wrote:

It is quite specialized translation, as Jim mentioned and I see no more medical translation teams in LP. I see no reason to join the general "Launchpad Translators" group or to bother them with our medical software. There is no Polish team within "Launchpad Translators", and I'd rather not create one for myself only.
Jim - could you check if it is really possible to assign an individual for each language for GNUmed? 

Sounds like it is possible to get a project group created.. while Launchpad discourages that 

(https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/82422)

there do exist other translation groups

https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/+groups/

and

 

Creating your own translation group
If you have specific requirements for the people who review your project's translations, you may want to create your own translation group.
The only way to do that is to file a support request with the Launchpad administrators.

at the bottom of this page https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject/ChoosingAGroup, which I can apparently request back through

https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion

but I will first wait for a reply to the question I submitted through the Launchpad Translation Group owner (via web interface) this morning

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