Re: Tuxpaint shouldn't promote meat-eating via stamps

[Stephane Ascoet-6]

Davo Smith wrote :

> then also need to remove all the 'religious' symbols into another
Hi, no, being in a religion doesn't prevent from knowing that others exists.

> all the vehicles (because of the environmental damage they cause) and
Yes, I think the problem is identical here.
> the letters and numbers, because they discriminate against people who
> use a different alphabet?
Foolness
>The military should certainly be going, as
Why not

> also the cakes, just in case someone is on a diet...
No, of course.
> But to remove a whole set of images from the default install, just to
> please one minority group would seem excessive.
The problem is that Tuxpaint is educational software. So having cooked animals is a problem since it will educate kids in the way
that it's normal to do it.
We could make a VegTuxPaint fork, but that isn't the goal, since only vegs will use it.
> PS I have nothing against vegetarianism, it is something I have a lot
> of sympathy, but not when it is being used to tell everyone else what
> to do.
We know this by heart. You're missing the point. Try to replace "vegetarism" by "fighting against racism" in your sentence and
you'll understand.

From: henry taylor
> I signed up for this list hoping that there would be lots of people posting links
I used to make plenty of, but not sure about the rights of the original pictures.

From: Bill
> can be managed
But if I ask for a "christmas" pack, but don't want cooked earthlings in it?

> my son just went in for vaccinations
The drawbacks of vaccination are huge, but don't appear always immediately.

> Considering most people around the world eat animals
Most people in *rich* countries. Elsewere, they generally even don't have money to buy meat, nor enough vegetables to grow them.


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[Bill Kendrick]

Just a finaly response... I'd like to have us stop arguing about this,
since I think we all agree that flexibility is key here.  We just need
to make a tool that will do it for us.  I knew that before, but perhaps
it's time to spec it out.  Hrm... maybe we COULD have used one more
GSOC student this year. ;)


On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 12:11:38PM +0200, Stephane Ascoet wrote:
> From: Bill
> > can be managed
> But if I ask for a "christmas" pack, but don't want cooked earthlings in it?

... Which is why having _per-stamp_ exclusions would be useful.
Install the Christmas stamps, but then go in and specificially ask it to
remove "cooked_turkey.png".  That choice (and others) could be exported to
a config file specific to stamp exclusions (and perhaps inclusions).

At this point, we're getting very similar to the <Directory> directives
in Apache. :)  Fine by me, though.  I wish for us to provide the content
(with the assumption that most of it is reasonable for many people in
many cultures, perhaps weighted based on usage...  'rich people in
internet-connected places are more likely to have access to Tux Paint'),
and allow the parents/guardians/teachers of the users to decide what's
appropriate.  Either culturally, regionally, religiously, or merely
in terms of what class is using the computer lab this hour. :)


> > my son just went in for vaccinations
> The drawbacks of vaccination are huge, but don't appear always immediately.

He got his first vaccination about a month ago.  He's 2yo.  My wife and I have
been VERY concerned about vaccinations, and are limiting his exposure.
But I'm not here to prove what a hippie I am, nor is the vaccination discussion
really appropriate for this list. :)  My point is, a hypodermic needle is not
a "bad" thing.  It's much more often a tool that doctors use for beneficial
purposes. :)


> > Considering most people around the world eat animals
> Most people in *rich* countries. Elsewere, they generally even don't have money to buy meat, nor enough vegetables to grow them.

Good point. :)  Thanks for keeping my bias in check. ;)

-bill!
off to get my organically-grown, fair-trade mocha :)

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