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by Karen Fu-2
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Sorry for the late reading.
Honestly I've not followed this forum &
similar for half a year;
as I am snowballed with different kinds
of errands.Notably about how to handle tasks,
people etc.So this thread really caught my eye.
So kindly *bear* with me..
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Filippo A. Salustri<salustri@...> wrote:
> Humanity is just one of evolution's attempts; if we screw up, nature will
> start again with something else - like maybe the cockroach. People say
> humanity is screwed up because we basically screwed ourselves up. But I
> don't think that's right. We're creatures of nature, and nature I have good
> faith in. If you think of humans as just other products of nature, then
> there's not much reason to be so pessimistic.
Rightly so, which is why the elfin nature off me. If we take close
look into the
peculiar nature of the human mind, then you would agree that are many
ways of handling
different kinds of people in different sectors of the industry.
I believe th art of managing people is very important.
How else could you solve problems which are basically
made by people? You can't solve problems purely on
'tools' like 'infrastructures', 'policies' or even with
'sound theories' without tactfully sort out people.
Some people think its about clobbering and hammering down;
some people think its about using all the patience in the world
to educate the flawed human race.
I think there must be an element of 'urgency' to
get people working through uncanny and even
humorous ways. The recent implementation
of using 'obvious acknowledgement' of people's
'kindness' and 'generosity' works really well in getting
positive energies to come in.
Pointless to punish people. Even if you
send them to court, to jail to eat thrash and get
thrash, you are wasting tax payers money on
feeding the bad. Why not get them to work ?
Make more revenue off them and they don't habour
hate against being persecuted too.
>
> It seems to me there are very few alternatives to the way things are.
>
> There's too many people on the Earth, given our current state of
> technological, cultural, and philosophical development. If there were only
> a few hundred million people on the Earth, things would be much better for
> everyone, and for the Earth. But how does one make that happen ethically?
>
Its hard to do it.You cannot simply tell
them to stop it as they will resent you.
The only way to get them running 'ethically' about population
is to let these 'procreators' decide themselves willingly.
Certain countries really need the population to sustain the economy
and certain countries don't. And we have to be really sensitive to it
and respect it.
> Most of the problems we have arise largely from the bickering between
> "stakeholders." We could devise some kind of global totalitarian state.
> The bickering would go away then. Things would get done. But there's no
> way to be sure the /right/ things would be done - as is obvious from
> existent totalitarian states.
>
that's why I still adamantly feel that simple fun diplomacy works..
How to be fun and serious is really a skill. Before we all start
to blow one another up with missiles and bombs from somewhere
north, maybe we need to consider something *unconventional*.
> Too many people lie. They're too Machiavellian, hypocritical, with too many
> hidden agendas and ulterior motives. All these lies mean there's no trust,
> and without trust we can't get anything done. Maybe if we were telepathic,
> we could get around this problem. But there's no such thing as telepathy.
>
Maybe we should also ask why people act that way. Then maybe perhaps
we could work backwards and untie the uncanny knots. There is always a story
behind every 'bad' act as with every every 'kind' act.
Including those who say such and work on something completely off.
If one can even work and turn around odds with this kind of people,
please hire the person and elect him/her as a leader. We need
such talent to turn the tides.
> ...or you can just have faith in people, based on history. There are plenty
> of times in our history when things looked like they were going to go right
> down the toilet. Everyone (at the time) said so; it was the end of
> civilization, the end of the world, the end of whatever.
>
> But we're still here.
>
> And if we do kill ourselves off completely, then we'll have deserved it.
>
> So don't worry about that long-term stuff over which you have no control.
> Focus on what you can do now, today, to help.
>
that reminds me I've neglected one of my elfin blogs on life and people.
Shall add something to it.
Apologies for the 2 pennies/cents on the topic..
Karen Fu
> Cheers.
> Fil
>
Honestly I've not followed this forum &
similar for half a year;
as I am snowballed with different kinds
of errands.Notably about how to handle tasks,
people etc.So this thread really caught my eye.
So kindly *bear* with me..
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Filippo A. Salustri<salustri@...> wrote:
> Humanity is just one of evolution's attempts; if we screw up, nature will
> start again with something else - like maybe the cockroach. People say
> humanity is screwed up because we basically screwed ourselves up. But I
> don't think that's right. We're creatures of nature, and nature I have good
> faith in. If you think of humans as just other products of nature, then
> there's not much reason to be so pessimistic.
Rightly so, which is why the elfin nature off me. If we take close
look into the
peculiar nature of the human mind, then you would agree that are many
ways of handling
different kinds of people in different sectors of the industry.
I believe th art of managing people is very important.
How else could you solve problems which are basically
made by people? You can't solve problems purely on
'tools' like 'infrastructures', 'policies' or even with
'sound theories' without tactfully sort out people.
Some people think its about clobbering and hammering down;
some people think its about using all the patience in the world
to educate the flawed human race.
I think there must be an element of 'urgency' to
get people working through uncanny and even
humorous ways. The recent implementation
of using 'obvious acknowledgement' of people's
'kindness' and 'generosity' works really well in getting
positive energies to come in.
Pointless to punish people. Even if you
send them to court, to jail to eat thrash and get
thrash, you are wasting tax payers money on
feeding the bad. Why not get them to work ?
Make more revenue off them and they don't habour
hate against being persecuted too.
>
> It seems to me there are very few alternatives to the way things are.
>
> There's too many people on the Earth, given our current state of
> technological, cultural, and philosophical development. If there were only
> a few hundred million people on the Earth, things would be much better for
> everyone, and for the Earth. But how does one make that happen ethically?
>
Its hard to do it.You cannot simply tell
them to stop it as they will resent you.
The only way to get them running 'ethically' about population
is to let these 'procreators' decide themselves willingly.
Certain countries really need the population to sustain the economy
and certain countries don't. And we have to be really sensitive to it
and respect it.
> Most of the problems we have arise largely from the bickering between
> "stakeholders." We could devise some kind of global totalitarian state.
> The bickering would go away then. Things would get done. But there's no
> way to be sure the /right/ things would be done - as is obvious from
> existent totalitarian states.
>
that's why I still adamantly feel that simple fun diplomacy works..
How to be fun and serious is really a skill. Before we all start
to blow one another up with missiles and bombs from somewhere
north, maybe we need to consider something *unconventional*.
> Too many people lie. They're too Machiavellian, hypocritical, with too many
> hidden agendas and ulterior motives. All these lies mean there's no trust,
> and without trust we can't get anything done. Maybe if we were telepathic,
> we could get around this problem. But there's no such thing as telepathy.
>
Maybe we should also ask why people act that way. Then maybe perhaps
we could work backwards and untie the uncanny knots. There is always a story
behind every 'bad' act as with every every 'kind' act.
Including those who say such and work on something completely off.
If one can even work and turn around odds with this kind of people,
please hire the person and elect him/her as a leader. We need
such talent to turn the tides.
> ...or you can just have faith in people, based on history. There are plenty
> of times in our history when things looked like they were going to go right
> down the toilet. Everyone (at the time) said so; it was the end of
> civilization, the end of the world, the end of whatever.
>
> But we're still here.
>
> And if we do kill ourselves off completely, then we'll have deserved it.
>
> So don't worry about that long-term stuff over which you have no control.
> Focus on what you can do now, today, to help.
>
that reminds me I've neglected one of my elfin blogs on life and people.
Shall add something to it.
Apologies for the 2 pennies/cents on the topic..
Karen Fu
> Cheers.
> Fil
>
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