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	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by Gavin Atkinson-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n Responsible-Changed-By: gavin Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the requested files, are you able to share them? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:09 GMT, gavin@... wrote: > > Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed > New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n > Responsible-Changed-By: gavin > Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the > requested files, are you able to share them? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-i18n@... mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..." I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. First, en_DK might one day be needed to describe how English is actually used in Denmark. Second, anyone looking for a locale description with English but ISO date/time info is unlikely to find it if it is hidden under a local country name. -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "J.R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...> To: bug-followup@... Cc: Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:16:40 +0200 On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:09 GMT, gavin@... wrote: > > Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed > New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n > Responsible-Changed-By: gavin > Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the > requested files, are you able to share them? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-i18n@... mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..." I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. First, en_DK might one day be needed to describe how English is actually used in Denmark. Second, anyone looking for a locale description with English but ISO date/time info is unlikely to find it if it is hidden under a local country name. -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by Edwin Groothuis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. Latn or Cyrl etc. What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@... Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by Edwin Groothuis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> To: freebsd-i18n@..., bug-followup@... Cc: "J. R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...> Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000 > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. Latn or Cyrl etc. What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@... Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote: > > > > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. > > The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. > Latn or Cyrl etc. > > What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" > to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. > > I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is > in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. > > Edwin > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. The format appears to be: xx_YY.charset xx = ISO639 2-letter language code YY = ISO3166 2-letter country code charset = UTF-8, ISO8859-1, CP1131, etc For years now I have used the name en_ISO.UTF-8 myself for exactly the purpose that the poster is requesting, without anything apparently breaking. While the string "ISO" is obviously not a 2-letter ISO3166 country code, it does not appear to break anything. I agree that this should be done as a port, rather than added to the base system. -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "J.R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...> To: Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> Cc: freebsd-i18n@..., bug-followup@... Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:30:30 +0200 On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote: > > > > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. > > The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. > Latn or Cyrl etc. > > What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" > to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. > > I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is > in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. > > Edwin > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. The format appears to be: xx_YY.charset xx = ISO639 2-letter language code YY = ISO3166 2-letter country code charset = UTF-8, ISO8859-1, CP1131, etc For years now I have used the name en_ISO.UTF-8 myself for exactly the purpose that the poster is requesting, without anything apparently breaking. While the string "ISO" is obviously not a 2-letter ISO3166 country code, it does not appear to break anything. I agree that this should be done as a port, rather than added to the base system. -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by Edwin Groothuis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although > it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. > > The format appears to be: RFC4646. You are right, it's not a font family but a Language Tag. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@... Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:20:23 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote: > > RFC4646. > Thanks for finding RFC4646. I would also refer to this document: http://www.openi18n.org/docs/text/LocNameGuide-V10.txt The format of locale names is defined there. In short: LANGUAGE_TERRITORY.CODESET@MODIFIERS Based on this, and since we're modifying LC_TIME, I would now propose the base name for the proposed modification be: en@ISOtime The port should define modifiers for all base system "en_" territories: en_AU@ISOtime en_CA@ISOtime en_GB@ISOtime en_IE@ISOtime en_NZ@ISOtime en_US@ISOtime and also the various base system codesets: en_AU.ISO8859-1@ISOtime en_AU.ISO8859-15@ISOtime en_AU.US-ASCII@ISOtime en_AU.UTF-8@ISOtime etc -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."

	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by Gavin Atkinson-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n Responsible-Changed-By: gavin Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the requested files, are you able to share them? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:09 GMT, gavin@... wrote: > > Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed > New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n > Responsible-Changed-By: gavin > Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the > requested files, are you able to share them? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-i18n@... mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..." I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. First, en_DK might one day be needed to describe how English is actually used in Denmark. Second, anyone looking for a locale description with English but ISO date/time info is unlikely to find it if it is hidden under a local country name. -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "J.R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...> To: bug-followup@... Cc: Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:16:40 +0200 On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:09 GMT, gavin@... wrote: > > Old Synopsis: Locale en_DK needed > New Synopsis: [locale] en_DK needed > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-i18n > Responsible-Changed-By: gavin > Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Aug 17 11:14:32 UTC 2009 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Over to maintainer(s). To submitter: if you have already created copies of the > requested files, are you able to share them? > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=137870 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-i18n@... mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..." I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. First, en_DK might one day be needed to describe how English is actually used in Denmark. Second, anyone looking for a locale description with English but ISO date/time info is unlikely to find it if it is hidden under a local country name. -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by Edwin Groothuis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. Latn or Cyrl etc. What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@... Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by Edwin Groothuis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> To: freebsd-i18n@..., bug-followup@... Cc: "J. R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...> Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000 > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. Latn or Cyrl etc. What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@... Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote: > > > > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. > > The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. > Latn or Cyrl etc. > > What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" > to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. > > I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is > in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. > > Edwin > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. The format appears to be: xx_YY.charset xx = ISO639 2-letter language code YY = ISO3166 2-letter country code charset = UTF-8, ISO8859-1, CP1131, etc For years now I have used the name en_ISO.UTF-8 myself for exactly the purpose that the poster is requesting, without anything apparently breaking. While the string "ISO" is obviously not a 2-letter ISO3166 country code, it does not appear to break anything. I agree that this should be done as a port, rather than added to the base system. -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message The following reply was made to PR conf/137870; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "J.R. Oldroyd" <fbsd@...> To: Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> Cc: freebsd-i18n@..., bug-followup@... Subject: Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:30:30 +0200 On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:23:37 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote: > > > > I think the locale name en_ISOdate or even en_UK.isodate and > > en_US.isodate or something along those lines would be more suitable. > > The optional part behind the country is reserved for the font family. > Latn or Cyrl etc. > > What you are more looking at is a unused language string (like "xx" > to make it "xx_DK") which has the right definitions in it. > > I don't think that the right place for this non-standard thing is > in the base system, a port would be a much cleaner solution. > > Edwin > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. The format appears to be: xx_YY.charset xx = ISO639 2-letter language code YY = ISO3166 2-letter country code charset = UTF-8, ISO8859-1, CP1131, etc For years now I have used the name en_ISO.UTF-8 myself for exactly the purpose that the poster is requesting, without anything apparently breaking. While the string "ISO" is obviously not a 2-letter ISO3166 country code, it does not appear to break anything. I agree that this should be done as a port, rather than added to the base system. -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by Edwin Groothuis :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message > You are right about the part after the period being reserved, although > it seems it's a character set rather than a font family. > > The format appears to be: RFC4646. You are right, it's not a font family but a Language Tag. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis Website: http://www.mavetju.org/ edwin@... Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."
	Re: conf/137870: [locale] en_DK needed by J.R. Oldroyd-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:20:23 +1000, Edwin Groothuis <edwin@...> wrote: > > RFC4646. > Thanks for finding RFC4646. I would also refer to this document: http://www.openi18n.org/docs/text/LocNameGuide-V10.txt The format of locale names is defined there. In short: LANGUAGE_TERRITORY.CODESET@MODIFIERS Based on this, and since we're modifying LC_TIME, I would now propose the base name for the proposed modification be: en@ISOtime The port should define modifiers for all base system "en_" territories: en_AU@ISOtime en_CA@ISOtime en_GB@ISOtime en_IE@ISOtime en_NZ@ISOtime en_US@ISOtime and also the various base system codesets: en_AU.ISO8859-1@ISOtime en_AU.ISO8859-15@ISOtime en_AU.US-ASCII@ISOtime en_AU.UTF-8@ISOtime etc -jr _______________________________________________ freebsd-i18n@... mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-i18n To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-i18n-unsubscribe@..."