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| interesting point.. I have no more problem with meat than living sprouts as food BUT this morning I was laying in bed fantasizing about a Tux Stamp Management Utility that would allow me to manage what stamps are available to my kids... I have a problem with the hypodermic and the weaponry. It would also be very neat to turn the Kids Tux images or even digital photos of the kids themselves or their toys into stamps or backgrounds. radio buttons to apply mirror and flip and apply color palette as desired something for image scale control maybe Beyond that I have a jones for some silhouette stamps and front and back stamps for things like cars not just side elevations even and isometric angle stamp... Speaking of which I am SO pleases with the new isometric stamp set... except that each stamp is more of a perspective image than a true isometric I am somewhat picky here because I am a K-5 Art Teacher and I use Tux almost exclusively ... my art room is a computer lab (very OLD computers).. other than crayons and paper when a workstation is unavailable Last and not connected with stamps the thought of a stamp manager led to thoughts of a brush manager and a small prayer that a cut and paste function might appear in the firmament so I don't have to have the kids open their file in Microsoft Paint and then try and remember the proper PNG configuration in Irfanview for tux to find the Pic again after the modification. So thanks for the reminder to mention this. Guy --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Stephane Ascoet <Stephane.Ascoet@...> wrote:
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Re: cooked animals
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Stephane Ascoet
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> Bill Kendrick :
>> turkey (cooked, for the food category; perhaps a cartoon one
>> for Thanksgiving?)
>
> Caroline:
>> We have a cooked turkey stamp under Christmas I think.
>
>
> Hi, I disagree with the presence of animals used this way, especially in the standard stamps set.
> We could put them in an optionnal stamps package for "meat-eaters".
Hmm... I'd have thought that could easily get very silly - would you
then also need to remove all the 'religious' symbols into another
group, so as not to offend anyone of a different religion, along with
all the vehicles (because of the environmental damage they cause) and
the letters and numbers, because they discriminate against people who
use a different alphabet? The military should certainly be going, as
that would be offensive to a large number of people worldwide. Maybe
also the cakes, just in case someone is on a diet...
Possibly an option to remove a group of images, on an individual and
local basis, if someone has a particular objection to them, would be
OK (although it is easy to go to the install folder and delete them).
But to remove a whole set of images from the default install, just to
please one minority group would seem excessive.
Davo
PS I have nothing against vegetarianism, it is something I have a lot
of sympathy, but not when it is being used to tell everyone else what
to do.
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<Stephane.Ascoet@...> wrote:
> Bill Kendrick :
>> turkey (cooked, for the food category; perhaps a cartoon one
>> for Thanksgiving?)
>
> Caroline:
>> We have a cooked turkey stamp under Christmas I think.
>
>
> Hi, I disagree with the presence of animals used this way, especially in the standard stamps set.
> We could put them in an optionnal stamps package for "meat-eaters".
Hmm... I'd have thought that could easily get very silly - would you
then also need to remove all the 'religious' symbols into another
group, so as not to offend anyone of a different religion, along with
all the vehicles (because of the environmental damage they cause) and
the letters and numbers, because they discriminate against people who
use a different alphabet? The military should certainly be going, as
that would be offensive to a large number of people worldwide. Maybe
also the cakes, just in case someone is on a diet...
Possibly an option to remove a group of images, on an individual and
local basis, if someone has a particular objection to them, would be
OK (although it is easy to go to the install folder and delete them).
But to remove a whole set of images from the default install, just to
please one minority group would seem excessive.
Davo
PS I have nothing against vegetarianism, it is something I have a lot
of sympathy, but not when it is being used to tell everyone else what
to do.
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Re: cooked animals
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| On Paint Shop I can install and uninstall 'picture tubes' On the Gimp Brushes are usually easy... AT HOME I can easily manage my stamps and create collections the way i want them... BUT AT SCHOOL its a different matter... After The TECH installs Tux I'm locked out of the entire C:/ directory and I'm such with what is there Come next August I'll have a different stamps package available for my Tech to install for the year.. Most softwhere is modifiable and TUX is modifiable if you are willing to dig a little into your computer file system.... BUT TUX is also essentially configured for people who often do not want (and who often adults do not want) to be messing around in the Program Files directory. I can understand that. Tux has established a Configuration Utility approach as a user interface and It would make sense to continue with that metaphor For those for whom a computer program is a locked box its not so unlike the case with restaurants... If you keep kosher go to kosher restaurants If you don't go anywhere you want...but it's good to know what if anything you are allergic to. OR "If something in the program offends you find another program" But where possible children's software CAN and probably should be more configurable by users with different needs... more than one country's currency can be found in Tux Stamps. I signed up for this list hoping that there would be lots of people posting links to their newest cool stamps for Tux so I could customize my collection... and maybe eezy guidlines for stamp preparation. I also used to have more access to files in the school computers... For the time being I am frustratingly locked up... but no big deal. I do not see the need to make plain Vanilla plainer so much as a need for a way to choose Cherry and Licorice but not Grapefruit like other folks (with skills and access) can. Its about accessability. --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Davo Smith <tuxpaint@...> wrote: Hmm... I'd have thought that could easily get very silly - would you |
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Re: cooked animals
by Bill Kendrick
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 06:06:15PM +0100, Davo Smith wrote:
> Possibly an option to remove a group of images, on an individual and
> local basis, if someone has a particular objection to them, would be
> OK (although it is easy to go to the install folder and delete them).
> But to remove a whole set of images from the default install, just to
> please one minority group would seem excessive.
The option to install, or not-install, various stamp collections
exists in the main source package. e.g., you can do:
$ sudo make install-all # everything
or:
$ sudo make install-sports intall-animals # sports and animals only
It's also possible using the Stamps Installer on Windows.
(You use the checkboxes to decide which groups get installed or not.)
And finally, the RPM packages for the Stamps (for Red Hat, Fedora, etc.)
are broken up into separate packages for each group.
(However, Debian package for stamps is one big collection.)
I believe the Mac installer also installs all-or-none.
Adding some config options to Tux Paint Config (or creating an
alternate tool that manages which stamps are loaded, and which are
ignored) would be very useful. Esp. if the decisions themselves
can be managed. (e.g., ask Tux Paint to use the "Science Class"
collection vs. the "Art Class" collection, or what have you.)
I do admit I'm a little confused about the hypodermic needle being
troublesome... considering my son just went in for vaccinations
last week, it's something he's already familiar with, as a 2yo. :)
(I would love a lot more medical content, though... we have almost
nothing!)
<snip>
> PS I have nothing against vegetarianism, it is something I have a lot
> of sympathy, but not when it is being used to tell everyone else what
> to do.
One could go as far as saying "animals WERE harmed in the creation of
Tux Paint", I suppose. But typically this content is being pulled
from elsewhere (e.g., Wikipedia), so we're a few steps away from
the harm.
Considering most people around the world eat animals, and there are
armies all over the world, and doctors do use hypodermic needles to
draw blood or give you medicine, I try not to take sides.
GIVING END-USERS A CHOICE is very important to me, though, since,
obviously, some people DO have an issue with certain kinds of
content, and I fully understand the desire to prevent their children
from seeing some content.
Anyway, in the _meantime_, the stamps in Tux Paint are just
PNG and SVG files. Users are free to wipe them from their hard
drives as they see fit, and Tux Paint will not complain.
(Realize, though, that installing updates may reintroduce stamps
that you have removed.) And this has always been documented. :)
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> Possibly an option to remove a group of images, on an individual and
> local basis, if someone has a particular objection to them, would be
> OK (although it is easy to go to the install folder and delete them).
> But to remove a whole set of images from the default install, just to
> please one minority group would seem excessive.
The option to install, or not-install, various stamp collections
exists in the main source package. e.g., you can do:
$ sudo make install-all # everything
or:
$ sudo make install-sports intall-animals # sports and animals only
It's also possible using the Stamps Installer on Windows.
(You use the checkboxes to decide which groups get installed or not.)
And finally, the RPM packages for the Stamps (for Red Hat, Fedora, etc.)
are broken up into separate packages for each group.
(However, Debian package for stamps is one big collection.)
I believe the Mac installer also installs all-or-none.
Adding some config options to Tux Paint Config (or creating an
alternate tool that manages which stamps are loaded, and which are
ignored) would be very useful. Esp. if the decisions themselves
can be managed. (e.g., ask Tux Paint to use the "Science Class"
collection vs. the "Art Class" collection, or what have you.)
I do admit I'm a little confused about the hypodermic needle being
troublesome... considering my son just went in for vaccinations
last week, it's something he's already familiar with, as a 2yo. :)
(I would love a lot more medical content, though... we have almost
nothing!)
<snip>
> PS I have nothing against vegetarianism, it is something I have a lot
> of sympathy, but not when it is being used to tell everyone else what
> to do.
One could go as far as saying "animals WERE harmed in the creation of
Tux Paint", I suppose. But typically this content is being pulled
from elsewhere (e.g., Wikipedia), so we're a few steps away from
the harm.
Considering most people around the world eat animals, and there are
armies all over the world, and doctors do use hypodermic needles to
draw blood or give you medicine, I try not to take sides.
GIVING END-USERS A CHOICE is very important to me, though, since,
obviously, some people DO have an issue with certain kinds of
content, and I fully understand the desire to prevent their children
from seeing some content.
Anyway, in the _meantime_, the stamps in Tux Paint are just
PNG and SVG files. Users are free to wipe them from their hard
drives as they see fit, and Tux Paint will not complain.
(Realize, though, that installing updates may reintroduce stamps
that you have removed.) And this has always been documented. :)
--
-bill!
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Re: cooked animals
by Bill Kendrick
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:33:45AM -0700, henry taylor wrote:
> I do not see the need to make plain Vanilla plainer so much as a need for a way
> to choose Cherry and Licorice but not Grapefruit like other folks (with skills
> and access) can. Its about accessability.
To reiterate, I totally agree. So far, it's been a matter of not
having time to fully design and implement.
Also, I'd like to move away from FLTK (and to wxWidgets or Qt) for the
config tool. I'd also love to learn Python, and implement it using
PyWx or PyQt, too. *sigh*
-bill!
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> I do not see the need to make plain Vanilla plainer so much as a need for a way
> to choose Cherry and Licorice but not Grapefruit like other folks (with skills
> and access) can. Its about accessability.
To reiterate, I totally agree. So far, it's been a matter of not
having time to fully design and implement.
Also, I'd like to move away from FLTK (and to wxWidgets or Qt) for the
config tool. I'd also love to learn Python, and implement it using
PyWx or PyQt, too. *sigh*
-bill!
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Re: cooked animals
by Pere Pujal i Carabantes-2
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El dc 22 de 04 de 2009 a les 12:25 -0700, en/na Bill Kendrick va
escriure:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:33:45AM -0700, henry taylor wrote:
> > I do not see the need to make plain Vanilla plainer so much as a need for a way
> > to choose Cherry and Licorice but not Grapefruit like other folks (with skills
> > and access) can. Its about accessability.
>
> To reiterate, I totally agree. So far, it's been a matter of not
> having time to fully design and implement.
>
> Also, I'd like to move away from FLTK (and to wxWidgets or Qt) for the
> config tool. I'd also love to learn Python, and implement it using
> PyWx or PyQt, too. *sigh*
What about pygtk?
GTK will yet be a dependency when the open/save import/export dialog
from gsoc 2008 will merge.
Pere
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escriure:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 10:33:45AM -0700, henry taylor wrote:
> > I do not see the need to make plain Vanilla plainer so much as a need for a way
> > to choose Cherry and Licorice but not Grapefruit like other folks (with skills
> > and access) can. Its about accessability.
>
> To reiterate, I totally agree. So far, it's been a matter of not
> having time to fully design and implement.
>
> Also, I'd like to move away from FLTK (and to wxWidgets or Qt) for the
> config tool. I'd also love to learn Python, and implement it using
> PyWx or PyQt, too. *sigh*
What about pygtk?
GTK will yet be a dependency when the open/save import/export dialog
from gsoc 2008 will merge.
Pere
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Re: cooked animals
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| my point on the hypo is that we all have our different perspectives You did not know that diabetes hypos were military gear? Hi grade weapons ideal for spearing stabbing launching making blood squirt everywhere... lucky you VBG School policy rather frowns on scenes involving bloodbaths or drug use. I work in a title one 'inner city' type school and drugs and violence are already very present. I have yet to see any of the medical gear or personnel used in any healing context. Be that as it may I appreciate its presence and availability... I very much like the idea of various "stamp packs" Ya know, it would be easy to spin off a TuxPaint for Collegiates or TuxPaint for Small Business pack on that basis Swap out a few stamps and brushes maybe a skin job (new color) and there you go. Its my favorite paint program by far because its all there up front. It doesn't have everything but what it has makes up for that so far as immediate art making goes. --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Bill Kendrick <nbs@...> wrote:
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Re: cooked animals
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 11:40:27PM +0200, Pere Pujal i Carabantes wrote:
> What about pygtk?
> GTK will yet be a dependency when the open/save import/export dialog
> from gsoc 2008 will merge.
They are different apps. Tux Paint uses SDL and a bunch of stuff.
It will have the ability to use the GTK dialog (_optionally_... some platforms
might not support it? e.g. BeOS?), once we merge that in, but it will
be optional (for people who wish to build from source).
Tux Paint Config uses FLTK, and pretty much NO libraries that Tux Paint
itself uses. :) (Well, gettext)
Tools outside of Tux Paint should not use SDL, since SDL is great for
portability and multimedia work, but real full-fledge toolkits (like
GTK, Qt, wxWidgets (which is just a layer on top of GTK, Cocoa and Windows API)
and FLTK (which has its limitations)).
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> What about pygtk?
> GTK will yet be a dependency when the open/save import/export dialog
> from gsoc 2008 will merge.
They are different apps. Tux Paint uses SDL and a bunch of stuff.
It will have the ability to use the GTK dialog (_optionally_... some platforms
might not support it? e.g. BeOS?), once we merge that in, but it will
be optional (for people who wish to build from source).
Tux Paint Config uses FLTK, and pretty much NO libraries that Tux Paint
itself uses. :) (Well, gettext)
Tools outside of Tux Paint should not use SDL, since SDL is great for
portability and multimedia work, but real full-fledge toolkits (like
GTK, Qt, wxWidgets (which is just a layer on top of GTK, Cocoa and Windows API)
and FLTK (which has its limitations)).
-bill!
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:19:56PM -0700, henry taylor wrote:
> my point on the hypo is that we all have our different perspectives
>
> You did not know that diabetes hypos were military gear? Hi grade
> weapons ideal for spearing stabbing launching making blood squirt
> everywhere... lucky you VBG
Eep! Well... I certainly won't rush to move the hypo from the
medical section to the military section. :) Of course, I could run
over someone with a firetruck, burn someone with a Christmas tree
candle, or club someone with a hammer or wrench. And don't get me
started on trained attack lions. ;)
Ok, now I'm just being silly, sorry.
<snip>
> Ya know, it would be easy to spin off a TuxPaint for Collegiates or
> TuxPaint for Small Business pack on that basis Swap out a few stamps
> and brushes maybe a skin job (new color) and there you go.
Actually, you can already generate alternative palettes, but you
have to do it in a text edtior (there's no GUI).
See "Extending Tux Paint" docs.
-bill!
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> my point on the hypo is that we all have our different perspectives
>
> You did not know that diabetes hypos were military gear? Hi grade
> weapons ideal for spearing stabbing launching making blood squirt
> everywhere... lucky you VBG
Eep! Well... I certainly won't rush to move the hypo from the
medical section to the military section. :) Of course, I could run
over someone with a firetruck, burn someone with a Christmas tree
candle, or club someone with a hammer or wrench. And don't get me
started on trained attack lions. ;)
Ok, now I'm just being silly, sorry.
<snip>
> Ya know, it would be easy to spin off a TuxPaint for Collegiates or
> TuxPaint for Small Business pack on that basis Swap out a few stamps
> and brushes maybe a skin job (new color) and there you go.
Actually, you can already generate alternative palettes, but you
have to do it in a text edtior (there's no GUI).
See "Extending Tux Paint" docs.
-bill!
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Re: cooked animals
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| You might not believe whats possible ;-) On the other hand You get the sun as a pendant on a necklace and a pair of earrings or as illuminated windows in an office building. The moon as a planter or bowl of flowers or half the moon as a basin of water. haven't seen an Umbrella moon yet...but it's pretty dry here too. My 4th and 5th graders have almost got the trick of using MS Paint to build a gradient to import as a background into Tux.... great skies and underseas! I love the little spray blob paint brush btw A big blue dot, a medium black dot centered on that, and a white spray blob a little off center produce the perfect shiny eye. Smudge makes fur -- teddy bears for everyone! Great prog, Bill! Thanks Guy --- On Wed, 4/22/09, Bill Kendrick <nbs@...> wrote:
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