Re: go-evolution.org

[Matthew Barnes]

On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 00:24 +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:

> Le mardi 24 février 2009 à 00:44 +0100, Andre Klapper a écrit :
> > Hej hej Parag!
> >
> > Some Novell folks told me that you maintain go-evolution.org which is
> > constantly spammed by bots, see Gilles' email here:
> > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-hackers/2009-February/msg00005.html 
> >
> > For a quick solution, can you please remove the account "GetelNovia"?
> >
> > Any proposals for a long term solution, like updating the wiki software
> > (captchas etc)?
> >
> Any updates on this stuff, I'm now confronted with spambots which create
> random accounts and write spam to their user page.
>
> See:
> http://www.go-evolution.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&days=30&limit=500
>

I don't know how feasible this is, but what do you guys think about
eventually migrating the wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution.  All the
pages could be rooted from there, e.g.:

  go-evolution.org/FAQ -> live.gnome.org/evolution/FAQ

I have no idea who has admin rights to the wiki nor whether those
person(s) even maintain it anymore.  I also have not been able to get a
straight answer out of anyone after asking repeatedly for admin rights.

I presume live.gnome.org is actively maintained with stronger anti-spam
measures, and I think it's a more suitable place for Evolution content.
Plus, it would be easier to link to other GNOME-related information on
that wiki.

Matthew Barnes


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[Andre Klapper]

Am Sonntag, den 12.07.2009, 21:31 -0400 schrieb Matthew Barnes:
> I don't know how feasible this is, but what do you guys think about
> eventually migrating the wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution.

I am all for it.

> I have no idea who has admin rights to the wiki

According to Parag Srini has sysop rights.

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[Chenthill-2]

On Sun, 2009-07-12 at 21:31 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 00:24 +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote:
> > Le mardi 24 février 2009 à 00:44 +0100, Andre Klapper a écrit :
> > > Hej hej Parag!
> > >
> > > Some Novell folks told me that you maintain go-evolution.org which is
> > > constantly spammed by bots, see Gilles' email here:
> > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-hackers/2009-February/msg00005.html 
> > >
> > > For a quick solution, can you please remove the account "GetelNovia"?
> > >
> > > Any proposals for a long term solution, like updating the wiki software
> > > (captchas etc)?
> > >
> > Any updates on this stuff, I'm now confronted with spambots which create
> > random accounts and write spam to their user page.
> >
> > See:
> > http://www.go-evolution.org/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&days=30&limit=500
> >
>
> I don't know how feasible this is, but what do you guys think about
> eventually migrating the wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution.  All the
> pages could be rooted from there, e.g.:
>
>   go-evolution.org/FAQ -> live.gnome.org/evolution/FAQ
>
> I have no idea who has admin rights to the wiki nor whether those
> person(s) even maintain it anymore.  I also have not been able to get a
> straight answer out of anyone after asking repeatedly for admin rights.

I heard from srini that he got the rights from parag but does not seem
to see the admin page when he logs in. So not sure who has it exactly.

>
> I presume live.gnome.org is actively maintained with stronger anti-spam
> measures, and I think it's a more suitable place for Evolution content.
> Plus, it would be easier to link to other GNOME-related information on
> that wiki.
+1. Just one small concern, we have considerable amount of data in
go-evolution.org, would it be good to have everything in
live.gnome.org ?


Thanks, Chenthill.

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[Chenthill-2]

Am including nirav in the thread. He is working on with the novell IS&T
to get the required rights. He would be able to provide more details..
 
Thanks, Chenthill.
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 11:06 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:

> Am Sonntag, den 12.07.2009, 21:31 -0400 schrieb Matthew Barnes:
> > I don't know how feasible this is, but what do you guys think about
> > eventually migrating the wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution.
>
> I am all for it.
>
> > I have no idea who has admin rights to the wiki
>
> According to Parag Srini has sysop rights.
>
> andre

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[Nirav Kumar]

Hi Andre,
Migrating Wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution may be difficult with the
high data content that evolution wiki holds.
I would believe that installing captcha and updating drupple should be
able to provide the desired results.I am working with Novell IS&T and
hope to have something positive in next few days.

Regards
Nirav
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 12:06 +0530, Chenthill wrote:

> Am including nirav in the thread. He is working on with the novell IS&T
> to get the required rights. He would be able to provide more details..
>  
> Thanks, Chenthill.
> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 11:06 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, den 12.07.2009, 21:31 -0400 schrieb Matthew Barnes:
> > > I don't know how feasible this is, but what do you guys think about
> > > eventually migrating the wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution.
> >
> > I am all for it.
> >
> > > I have no idea who has admin rights to the wiki
> >
> > According to Parag Srini has sysop rights.
> >
> > andre
>
>
>

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[Sankar P-5]

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Nirav Kumar<knirav@...> wrote:
> Hi Andre,
> Migrating Wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution may be difficult with the
> high data content that evolution wiki holds.

I don't see a high data content. There are Camel docs, plugin docs,
some design docs about shell and threading, most of which will have to
change anyway, soon. And most of the other links originating from the
go-evolution home page points to obsolete contents. There are some
test cases, but iirc they are stored in Novell testopia already.

> I would believe that installing captcha and updating drupple should be
> able to provide the desired results.I am working with Novell IS&T and
> hope to have something positive in next few days.
>

These two are the problems at the moment. But by moving to
live.gnome.org, there are other benefits like:

- we align more with the rest of the Gnome projects
- one place to search docs for all projects and easy to link to docs
of other project pages, say libsoup.
- no need to create yet-another-new-account to edit evo project pages.
anyone with a gnome account can edit pages.

and above all,

- Gnome sysadmins are easily reachable for non-Novell folks to report
and rectify any problems, than Novell IS&T. There will be a single
point of contact for admin related issues.

If all these does not convince you, you can save dollars on the
storage space for the site ;-) . So imho, it is definitely worth
moving to live.gnome.org .

> Regards
> Nirav
> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 12:06 +0530, Chenthill wrote:
>> Am including nirav in the thread. He is working on with the novell IS&T
>> to get the required rights. He would be able to provide more details..
>>
>> Thanks, Chenthill.
>> On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 11:06 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
>> > Am Sonntag, den 12.07.2009, 21:31 -0400 schrieb Matthew Barnes:
>> > > I don't know how feasible this is, but what do you guys think about
>> > > eventually migrating the wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution.
>> >
>> > I am all for it.
>> >
>> > > I have no idea who has admin rights to the wiki
>> >
>> > According to Parag Srini has sysop rights.
>> >
>> > andre
>>
>>
>>
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[Andre Klapper]

Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 00:54 -0600 schrieb Nirav Kumar:
> Migrating Wiki to live.gnome.org/evolution may be difficult with the
> high data content that evolution wiki holds.

Please provide exact numbers.

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[Matthew Barnes]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:35 +0530, Sankar P wrote:
> I don't see a high data content. There are Camel docs, plugin docs,
> some design docs about shell and threading, most of which will have to
> change anyway, soon. And most of the other links originating from the
> go-evolution home page points to obsolete contents. There are some
> test cases, but iirc they are stored in Novell testopia already.

<...snip...>

> If all these does not convince you, you can save dollars on the
> storage space for the site ;-) . So imho, it is definitely worth
> moving to live.gnome.org .

+1  Well stated.  :)


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[Chenthill-2]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 07:34 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:35 +0530, Sankar P wrote:
> > I don't see a high data content. There are Camel docs, plugin docs,
> > some design docs about shell and threading, most of which will have to
> > change anyway, soon. And most of the other links originating from the
> > go-evolution home page points to obsolete contents. There are some
> > test cases, but iirc they are stored in Novell testopia already.
We would still need to maintain the old data to know the history though
they may become obsolete. Certainly a lot of things mentioned still hold
true ;)

> <...snip...>
>
> > If all these does not convince you, you can save dollars on the
> > storage space for the site ;-) . So imho, it is definitely worth
> > moving to live.gnome.org .
>
> +1  Well stated.  :)
I concur with this provided all the old data are still maintained.

- Chenthill.

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[Matthew Barnes]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 06:15 -0600, P Chenthill wrote:
> We would still need to maintain the old data to know the history though
> they may become obsolete. Certainly a lot of things mentioned still hold
> true ;)

A compromise might be to only migrate the pages with current and
accurate information to l.g.o, and keep go-evolution.org around as a
historical archive.  Archived pages brought back to life at a later date
could be migrated individually.  It -is- a wiki, after all.

Might be interesting to compile a list of pages we still maintain or
care about.  I have a few not listed on the front page (BugzillaTopics
and ReleaseHOWTO, for example).

Perhaps a bigger issue is converting the page markup.  I've noticed
syntactic differences between the two sites [1], but I don't even know
what wiki software the two sites are using.  Need to see if there's
markup migration scripts out there.

Matthew Barnes


[1] live.gnome.org's markup syntax seems way more expressive and is
    actually DOCUMENTED! (http://live.gnome.org/HelpOnEditing)  Unlike
    our own. (http://www.go-evolution.org/Help:Editing)  Not to mention
    the style sheets are prettier.


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[Chenthill-2]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 11:09 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 06:15 -0600, P Chenthill wrote:
> > We would still need to maintain the old data to know the history though
> > they may become obsolete. Certainly a lot of things mentioned still hold
> > true ;)
>
> A compromise might be to only migrate the pages with current and
> accurate information to l.g.o, and keep go-evolution.org around as a
> historical archive.  Archived pages brought back to life at a later date
> could be migrated individually.  It -is- a wiki, after all.
Makes sense. How about putting the architecture and other historic data
on roadmaps into www.gnome.org/projects/evolution and current pages in
l.g.o ?

Close go-evolution.org once for all.

- Chenthill.

>
> Might be interesting to compile a list of pages we still maintain or
> care about.  I have a few not listed on the front page (BugzillaTopics
> and ReleaseHOWTO, for example).
>
> Perhaps a bigger issue is converting the page markup.  I've noticed
> syntactic differences between the two sites [1], but I don't even know
> what wiki software the two sites are using.  Need to see if there's
> markup migration scripts out there.
>
> Matthew Barnes
>
>
> [1] live.gnome.org's markup syntax seems way more expressive and is
>     actually DOCUMENTED! (http://live.gnome.org/HelpOnEditing)  Unlike
>     our own. (http://www.go-evolution.org/Help:Editing)  Not to mention
>     the style sheets are prettier.

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[Nirav Kumar]

Probably i can give a try for a resource for revamping Wiki and for
installing captcha and updating drupple for go-evolution.org.This may
take approx 2 weeks.If things are not possible, i can confirm earlier
and a migration/closure decision can be taken accordingly.

Nirav
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 11:09 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 06:15 -0600, P Chenthill wrote:
> > We would still need to maintain the old data to know the history though
> > they may become obsolete. Certainly a lot of things mentioned still hold
> > true ;)
>
> A compromise might be to only migrate the pages with current and
> accurate information to l.g.o, and keep go-evolution.org around as a
> historical archive.  Archived pages brought back to life at a later date
> could be migrated individually.  It -is- a wiki, after all.
>
> Might be interesting to compile a list of pages we still maintain or
> care about.  I have a few not listed on the front page (BugzillaTopics
> and ReleaseHOWTO, for example).
>
> Perhaps a bigger issue is converting the page markup.  I've noticed
> syntactic differences between the two sites [1], but I don't even know
> what wiki software the two sites are using.  Need to see if there's
> markup migration scripts out there.
>
> Matthew Barnes
>
>
> [1] live.gnome.org's markup syntax seems way more expressive and is
>     actually DOCUMENTED! (http://live.gnome.org/HelpOnEditing)  Unlike
>     our own. (http://www.go-evolution.org/Help:Editing)  Not to mention
>     the style sheets are prettier.

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[Nirav Kumar]

As such any takers for revamping wiki on a continuous basis?

Nirav
On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 12:08 -0600, Nirav Kumar wrote:

> Probably i can give a try for a resource for revamping Wiki and for
> installing captcha and updating drupple for go-evolution.org.This may
> take approx 2 weeks.If things are not possible, i can confirm earlier
> and a migration/closure decision can be taken accordingly.
>
> Nirav
> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 11:09 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 06:15 -0600, P Chenthill wrote:
> > > We would still need to maintain the old data to know the history though
> > > they may become obsolete. Certainly a lot of things mentioned still hold
> > > true ;)
> >
> > A compromise might be to only migrate the pages with current and
> > accurate information to l.g.o, and keep go-evolution.org around as a
> > historical archive.  Archived pages brought back to life at a later date
> > could be migrated individually.  It -is- a wiki, after all.
> >
> > Might be interesting to compile a list of pages we still maintain or
> > care about.  I have a few not listed on the front page (BugzillaTopics
> > and ReleaseHOWTO, for example).
> >
> > Perhaps a bigger issue is converting the page markup.  I've noticed
> > syntactic differences between the two sites [1], but I don't even know
> > what wiki software the two sites are using.  Need to see if there's
> > markup migration scripts out there.
> >
> > Matthew Barnes
> >
> >
> > [1] live.gnome.org's markup syntax seems way more expressive and is
> >     actually DOCUMENTED! (http://live.gnome.org/HelpOnEditing)  Unlike
> >     our own. (http://www.go-evolution.org/Help:Editing)  Not to mention
> >     the style sheets are prettier.
>
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[Matthew Barnes]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 12:17 -0600, Nirav Kumar wrote:
> As such any takers for revamping wiki on a continuous basis?

Define "revamping".


> Probably i can give a try for a resource for revamping Wiki and for
> installing captcha and updating drupple for go-evolution.org.

Do you mean Drupal?  That would answer my earlier question.
live.gnome.org uses MoinMoin, go-evolution.org uses Drupal?

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[Nirav Kumar]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:48 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 12:17 -0600, Nirav Kumar wrote:
> > As such any takers for revamping wiki on a continuous basis?
>
> Define "revamping".
To revise(make changes) or reconstruct
>
>
> > Probably i can give a try for a resource for revamping Wiki and for
> > installing captcha and updating drupple for go-evolution.org.
>
> Do you mean Drupal?  That would answer my earlier question.
Yes
> live.gnome.org uses MoinMoin, go-evolution.org uses Drupal?
Mostly Drupal gets used.I am catching up with IS&T on details.Will
confirm.
>
> Matthew Barnes
>

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[Gilles Dartiguelongue-4]

Whatever you do, please do something quickly, todays spamming is at a
rate that I can barely sustain.

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[Johnny Jacob-2]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 19:20 -0600, Nirav Kumar wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 14:48 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 12:17 -0600, Nirav Kumar wrote:
> > > As such any takers for revamping wiki on a continuous basis?
> >
> > Define "revamping".
> To revise(make changes) or reconstruct
> >
> >
> > > Probably i can give a try for a resource for revamping Wiki and for
> > > installing captcha and updating drupple for go-evolution.org.
> >
> > Do you mean Drupal?  That would answer my earlier question.
> Yes
> > live.gnome.org uses MoinMoin, go-evolution.org uses Drupal?
> Mostly Drupal gets used.

http://www.go-evolution.org/Special:Version

Mediawiki :-)


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[Johnny Jacob-2]

On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 11:09 -0400, Matthew Barnes wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-07-23 at 06:15 -0600, P Chenthill wrote:
> > We would still need to maintain the old data to know the history though
> > they may become obsolete. Certainly a lot of things mentioned still hold
> > true ;)
>
> A compromise might be to only migrate the pages with current and
> accurate information to l.g.o, and keep go-evolution.org around as a
> historical archive.  Archived pages brought back to life at a later date
> could be migrated individually.  It -is- a wiki, after all.
>
> Might be interesting to compile a list of pages we still maintain or
> care about.  I have a few not listed on the front page (BugzillaTopics
> and ReleaseHOWTO, for example).
>
> Perhaps a bigger issue is converting the page markup.  I've noticed
> syntactic differences between the two sites [1], but I don't even know
> what wiki software the two sites are using.  Need to see if there's
> markup migration scripts out there.
>
> Matthew Barnes
>
>
> [1] live.gnome.org's markup syntax seems way more expressive and is
>     actually DOCUMENTED! (http://live.gnome.org/HelpOnEditing)  Unlike
>     our own. (http://www.go-evolution.org/Help:Editing)  Not to mention
>     the style sheets are prettier.

**IMHO** I would prefer live.gnome.org . So +1 for that.

And somebody suggested that we can redirect go-evolution.org domain to
live.gnome.org/evolution


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[Matthew Barnes]

On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 22:57 +0530, Johnny Jacob wrote:
> http://www.go-evolution.org/Special:Version
>
> Mediawiki :-)

Ah, thanks for that!  Now I can actually conduct some experiments.

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[Chenthill-2]

We had a discussion in yesterday's #evolution-meet about the
go-evolution.org wiki to conclude on things. We have now made a decision
to move the wiki to l.g.o.
        The archived contents would be eventually moved to
www.gnome.org/projects/evolution . Time-line for the same is not yet
decided. Until then the contents would remain in go-evolution.org.

Meeting logs -
http://projects.gnome.org/evolution/meeting-logs/2009-07-29.shtml .

Thanks, Chenthill.
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 17:51 +0000, Matthew Barnes wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 22:57 +0530, Johnny Jacob wrote:
> > http://www.go-evolution.org/Special:Version
> >
> > Mediawiki :-)
>
> Ah, thanks for that!  Now I can actually conduct some experiments.
>
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