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by Ricardo Palomares Martínez
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Axel Hecht escribió:
> Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote:
>> I may be wrong, but I see L20n as something potentially complex to
>> handle files by hand, and if tools are expected to grow around it,
>> some adjustments should be taken into account to make those tools more
>> useful. I keep missing UI context information, which would enable
>> tools to help with non-conflicting accesskey assignments, and I'd like
>> to review comments oriented to warn localizers.
>
> Accesskeys are hard. Mostly because in our applications, the context
> isn't finite, damn extensions and overlays.
Regarding extensions, I don't think anybody expects that a Mozilla
product full-loaded with extensions doesn't have accesskey conflicts;
even a lean, recently-installed one will have in some specific parts.
The thing here is to minimize the cases as much as possible.
> I'm not sure if there's a good way to solve this, let alone with
> non-Mozilla target applications in mind.
>
> Marking this up in the l10n source has the down-side of actually
> requiring that that is bugfree, too. Like, how would the UI coder know
> which accesskey contexts are already in use, and find a unique one. That
> sounds like pushing the problem somewhere where it might not be solved
> as well.
The problem exists indeed in en-US already. A developer adding a UI
element with an accesskey surely knows where is he placing it, and
should find easily the UI-context(s) applicable which, in turn, should
ease the election of the accesskey. Of course it will involve more
work for them, but if the UI-context can help to localizers by
providing automated checks, those same checks will be available also
for en-US.
>
> Sorry for the lag.
>
Ditto. :-)
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> Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote:
>> I may be wrong, but I see L20n as something potentially complex to
>> handle files by hand, and if tools are expected to grow around it,
>> some adjustments should be taken into account to make those tools more
>> useful. I keep missing UI context information, which would enable
>> tools to help with non-conflicting accesskey assignments, and I'd like
>> to review comments oriented to warn localizers.
>
> Accesskeys are hard. Mostly because in our applications, the context
> isn't finite, damn extensions and overlays.
Regarding extensions, I don't think anybody expects that a Mozilla
product full-loaded with extensions doesn't have accesskey conflicts;
even a lean, recently-installed one will have in some specific parts.
The thing here is to minimize the cases as much as possible.
> I'm not sure if there's a good way to solve this, let alone with
> non-Mozilla target applications in mind.
>
> Marking this up in the l10n source has the down-side of actually
> requiring that that is bugfree, too. Like, how would the UI coder know
> which accesskey contexts are already in use, and find a unique one. That
> sounds like pushing the problem somewhere where it might not be solved
> as well.
The problem exists indeed in en-US already. A developer adding a UI
element with an accesskey surely knows where is he placing it, and
should find easily the UI-context(s) applicable which, in turn, should
ease the election of the accesskey. Of course it will involve more
work for them, but if the UI-context can help to localizers by
providing automated checks, those same checks will be available also
for en-US.
>
> Sorry for the lag.
>
Ditto. :-)
--
If it's true that we are here to help others,
then what exactly are the OTHERS here for?
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