Re: psycollider and MouseX (hijacked somewhat to talk about crossplatform issues)

> Hiho,
>
> On Friday 08 August 2008 08:39:32 James Harkins wrote:
>> On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:29 PM, nescivi wrote:
>> > Actually...
>> > MouseX and MouseY also work under Linux, when bulld with X11
>> > support, which is
>> > mostly the case.
>>
>> Nice -- good to know.
>
> It's been like this since more or less the original port to Linux by sk.
>
>> > I would rather see a proper native solution in Psycollider for this
>> > (or rather
>> > in scsynth on windows), as mixing GUI stuff with server stuff is a
>> > bit messy.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>> > As it seems to me the way SC3 developed, the editor, lang and
>> > server are three
>> > different programs, and it would be good to keep this separation
>> > clear.
>> > There are already a couple of instances where the confusion is
>> > introduced and
>> > I would prefer to find a path to clear up the confusion, rather
>> > than increase
>> > it.
>>
>> Lately I've been wondering if it would be feasible to adapt some of
>> the SwingOSC code into a cross-platform IDE, using a Java-to-C bridge
>> instead of OSC messaging. Like supercollider.app in OSX, the IDE
>> would handle text editing, GUI and the interpreter all in the same
>> process, but also run in multiple platforms.
>>
>> Unfortunately I don't have the Java chops to do this (and I
>> definitely don't have time!), but I think something like this could
>> clear up some of the confusion. Using Java and borrowing SwingOSC
>> code (but only if it's okay with sciss, of course) might save some of
>> the trouble of reimplementing GUI widgets, as was discussed in some
>> other threads.
>>
>> I don't have high expectations of this being done because everybody
>> is busy, but we really are getting to the point where a unified front
>> end would be very helpful. That doesn't necessarily have to deprecate
>> supercollider.app for Mac users -- just provide another option, and
>> something that would work the same in Windows as in Linux.
>
> I doubt that this would be succesful, seeing that on Linux people prefer to
> use a text editor they already know and use the interface with those to do
> their SC work.
> Linux people like variety and modular approaches; and at this stage you'd have
> to come with a completely customisable and fully fledged IDE, which takes
> long to develop....
>
> Besides since Sun Java is still not complete open source, distributions like
> Debian, will not automatically distribute it, which means that it remains not
> as straight-forward to install Sun Java than regular Debian packages and
> confusion with Gnu Java will continue to exist.
> Someone else starting on QCollider, a Qt-based editor for SC... I don't know
> if that is still in active development, but that could be heading to a
> similar common cross platform IDE.
>
> But really, given that people on Mac and Linux are unlikely to give up their
> editor, I wonder whether putting effort into a crossplatform IDE is really
> worth it. Rather a focus on making the interaction between the lang and each
> editor more transparent, so that from the lang we can do anything we want in
> a common fashion, would be more fruitful in my opinion.
>
> sincerely,
> Marije
>
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