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by urisala :: Rate this Message:

Since asking is free, here it comes:

Any truly efficient notation method for tuplets should allow you to output the second number in the tuplet. But just as important you should be able to show the rhythmic units in which each number is expressed. There are tuplets, for example those in which the 1st number is smaller, in which the units are different. This is the only correct way to write tuplets, if we want to be consistent with the rule that says that a tuplet means inserting more notes than would be the case without the tuplet. For instance: if I want to insert 3 notes in the place of 5, there are 3 options. Only the last one is really correct:

- You do a 6:5 (in sixteenths) tuplet and then collapse 2 16ths into 1 8th ---> That's what you have to do with ALL notation programs.

- You do 3:5 and accept that the 3 notes are 16th notes (which is incorrect, but also can be done in most programs, like Sibelius).

- You do 3 8th-notes : 5 16th-notes (showing the units), which although the only correct way, isn't allowed by any notation program (except lilypond, but it has to be really hacked, and it is buggy). Every notation package forces you to express the 2 numbers in the tuplet as have the same rhythmic value attached to it. With this constraint, tuplets can never be expressed correctly.

Would be nice if PWGL was the first to treat tuplets the way they deserve to be treated... :)

Maybe in the release after next release?

Take care,

Uri

On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|14:35 , josue moreno wrote:

Sorry, I didnt notice this was a new feature, I was quite sure it was
before.
Cheers
Josué

Uri Sala escribió:
> Great news, looking forward to the next release.
> Best,
> Uri
>
> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|14:08 , Mika Kuuskankare wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> I have to step in now... It think the problem is that Josue has an
>> access to the newest version of PWGL. I think I got a request for
>> this (tuplet ratios) and I added the option as Josue describes. We do
>> not have a date set for the next release.
>>
>> For the future: it might be a good idea to mention which version of
>> PWGL people are using and also in which platform. It's an easy way to
>> avoid this kind of "academic debate" :)
>>
>> my best to you both,
>>
>> Mika
>>
>> On 29.1.2009, at 13:13, Uri Sala wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but the only option is whether I want to write the tuplets or
>>> not, which is the same as "does the bracket and the number show or
>>> not". But what I want is to show:
>>> 1. the bracket (which it does)
>>> 2. the number (which it does)
>>> 3. the other number, i.e., the 6 in 5:6. This is, as far as I can
>>> tell impossible. It is very confusing as I use a series of tuplets
>>> such as 5:2, 5:3, 5:7, but the number in the bracket is just 5, so
>>> you don't know against what the 5 is.
>>> Will be glad to be proved wrong.
>>> Cheers
>>> Uri
>>>
>>> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|13:07 , josue moreno wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> in the menu score, there is Settings - Document Preferences,
>>>> clicking on
>>>> it opens a preference settings window in the score. There, almost
>>>> at the
>>>> bottom there is some dedicated part for the tuplets.
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Uri Sala escribió:
>>>>> Hi Josué,
>>>>> I only found a Score> Document Preferences> Tuplets, with the only
>>>>> option of checking/unchecking a write tuplets radio button. Hmm...
>>>>> Nothing about tuplet style.
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Uri
>>>>>
>>>>> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|12:45 , josue moreno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there Uri,
>>>>>> you can select in the menu: Score / Document Settings / Tuplet
>>>> Style -
>>>>>> Modern
>>>>>> That will display the tuplets in ratio form.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Josué
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uri Sala escribió:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> The way PWGL works, tuplets only show one of the numbers
>>>> involved in
>>>>>>> the scaling, as it if were assuming that it is always "against 4",
>>>>>>> which is not the case. How can I tell ENP to show both
>>>> numerator and
>>>>>>> denominator in a tuplet?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Uri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>
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>> Centre for Music & Technology
>> Sibelius Academy
>>
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