Re: pwgl-users: Tuplet showing num:denom

> Since asking is free, here it comes:
> Any truly efficient notation method for tuplets should allow you to  
> output the second number in the tuplet. But just as important you  
> should be able to show the rhythmic units in which each number is  
> expressed. There are tuplets, for example those in which the 1st  
> number is smaller, in which the units are different. This is the  
> only correct way to write tuplets, if we want to be consistent with  
> the rule that says that a tuplet means inserting more notes than  
> would be the case without the tuplet. For instance: if I want to  
> insert 3 notes in the place of 5, there are 3 options. Only the last  
> one is really correct:
> - You do a 6:5 (in sixteenths) tuplet and then collapse 2 16ths into  
> 1 8th ---> That's what you have to do with ALL notation programs.
> - You do 3:5 and accept that the 3 notes are 16th notes (which is  
> incorrect, but also can be done in most programs, like Sibelius).
> - You do 3 8th-notes : 5 16th-notes (showing the units), which  
> although the only correct way, isn't allowed by any notation program  
> (except lilypond, but it has to be really hacked, and it is buggy).  
> Every notation package forces you to express the 2 numbers in the  
> tuplet as have the same rhythmic value attached to it. With this  
> constraint, tuplets can never be expressed correctly.
> Would be nice if PWGL was the first to treat tuplets the way they  
> deserve to be treated... :)

> Take care,
> Uri
>
>
> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|14:35 , josue moreno wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I didnt notice this was a new feature, I was quite sure it was
>> before.
>> Cheers
>> Josué
>>
>> Uri Sala escribió:
>> > Great news, looking forward to the next release.
>> > Best,
>> > Uri
>> >
>> > On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|14:08 , Mika Kuuskankare wrote:
>> >
>> >> Guys,
>> >>
>> >> I have to step in now... It think the problem is that Josue has an
>> >> access to the newest version of PWGL. I think I got a request for
>> >> this (tuplet ratios) and I added the option as Josue describes.  
>> We do
>> >> not have a date set for the next release.
>> >>
>> >> For the future: it might be a good idea to mention which version  
>> of
>> >> PWGL people are using and also in which platform. It's an easy  
>> way to
>> >> avoid this kind of "academic debate" :)
>> >>
>> >> my best to you both,
>> >>
>> >> Mika
>> >>
>> >> On 29.1.2009, at 13:13, Uri Sala wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Yes, but the only option is whether I want to write the tuplets  
>> or
>> >>> not, which is the same as "does the bracket and the number show  
>> or
>> >>> not". But what I want is to show:
>> >>> 1. the bracket (which it does)
>> >>> 2. the number (which it does)
>> >>> 3. the other number, i.e., the 6 in 5:6. This is, as far as I can
>> >>> tell impossible. It is very confusing as I use a series of  
>> tuplets
>> >>> such as 5:2, 5:3, 5:7, but the number in the bracket is just 5,  
>> so
>> >>> you don't know against what the 5 is.
>> >>> Will be glad to be proved wrong.
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>> Uri
>> >>>
>> >>> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|13:07 , josue moreno wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>> in the menu score, there is Settings - Document Preferences,
>> >>>> clicking on
>> >>>> it opens a preference settings window in the score. There,  
>> almost
>> >>>> at the
>> >>>> bottom there is some dedicated part for the tuplets.
>> >>>> Hope this helps.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Uri Sala escribió:
>> >>>>> Hi Josué,
>> >>>>> I only found a Score> Document Preferences> Tuplets, with the  
>> only
>> >>>>> option of checking/unchecking a write tuplets radio button.  
>> Hmm...
>> >>>>> Nothing about tuplet style.
>> >>>>> Best
>> >>>>> Uri
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|12:45 , josue moreno wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi there Uri,
>> >>>>>> you can select in the menu: Score / Document Settings / Tuplet
>> >>>> Style -
>> >>>>>> Modern
>> >>>>>> That will display the tuplets in ratio form.
>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>> Josué
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Uri Sala escribió:
>> >>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>> The way PWGL works, tuplets only show one of the numbers
>> >>>> involved in
>> >>>>>>> the scaling, as it if were assuming that it is always  
>> "against 4",
>> >>>>>>> which is not the case. How can I tell ENP to show both
>> >>>> numerator and
>> >>>>>>> denominator in a tuplet?
>> >>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>> Uri.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
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