Re: pwgl-users: Tuplet showing num:denom

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> On 29.1.2009, at 14:53, Uri Sala wrote:
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>> Since asking is free, here it comes:
>> Any truly efficient notation method for tuplets should allow you to  
>> output the second number in the tuplet. But just as important you  
>> should be able to show the rhythmic units in which each number is  
>> expressed. There are tuplets, for example those in which the 1st  
>> number is smaller, in which the units are different. This is the  
>> only correct way to write tuplets, if we want to be consistent with  
>> the rule that says that a tuplet means inserting more notes than  
>> would be the case without the tuplet. For instance: if I want to  
>> insert 3 notes in the place of 5, there are 3 options. Only the  
>> last one is really correct:
>> - You do a 6:5 (in sixteenths) tuplet and then collapse 2 16ths  
>> into 1 8th ---> That's what you have to do with ALL notation  
>> programs.
>> - You do 3:5 and accept that the 3 notes are 16th notes (which is  
>> incorrect, but also can be done in most programs, like Sibelius).
>> - You do 3 8th-notes : 5 16th-notes (showing the units), which  
>> although the only correct way, isn't allowed by any notation  
>> program (except lilypond, but it has to be really hacked, and it is  
>> buggy). Every notation package forces you to express the 2 numbers  
>> in the tuplet as have the same rhythmic value attached to it. With  
>> this constraint, tuplets can never be expressed correctly.
>> Would be nice if PWGL was the first to treat tuplets the way they  
>> deserve to be treated... :)
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>> Maybe in the release after next release?
> Haha!
>
> Like you said, asking is free :)
>
> Is this something what you are after? Feel free to send me an  
> "illustrated" proposition for the new tuplet syntax of ENP :)
> <screenshot_01.png>
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> Mika
>
>> Take care,
>> Uri
>>
>>
>> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|14:35 , josue moreno wrote:
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>>> Sorry, I didnt notice this was a new feature, I was quite sure it  
>>> was
>>> before.
>>> Cheers
>>> Josué
>>>
>>> Uri Sala escribió:
>>> > Great news, looking forward to the next release.
>>> > Best,
>>> > Uri
>>> >
>>> > On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|14:08 , Mika Kuuskankare wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Guys,
>>> >>
>>> >> I have to step in now... It think the problem is that Josue has  
>>> an
>>> >> access to the newest version of PWGL. I think I got a request for
>>> >> this (tuplet ratios) and I added the option as Josue describes.  
>>> We do
>>> >> not have a date set for the next release.
>>> >>
>>> >> For the future: it might be a good idea to mention which  
>>> version of
>>> >> PWGL people are using and also in which platform. It's an easy  
>>> way to
>>> >> avoid this kind of "academic debate" :)
>>> >>
>>> >> my best to you both,
>>> >>
>>> >> Mika
>>> >>
>>> >> On 29.1.2009, at 13:13, Uri Sala wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Yes, but the only option is whether I want to write the  
>>> tuplets or
>>> >>> not, which is the same as "does the bracket and the number  
>>> show or
>>> >>> not". But what I want is to show:
>>> >>> 1. the bracket (which it does)
>>> >>> 2. the number (which it does)
>>> >>> 3. the other number, i.e., the 6 in 5:6. This is, as far as I  
>>> can
>>> >>> tell impossible. It is very confusing as I use a series of  
>>> tuplets
>>> >>> such as 5:2, 5:3, 5:7, but the number in the bracket is just  
>>> 5, so
>>> >>> you don't know against what the 5 is.
>>> >>> Will be glad to be proved wrong.
>>> >>> Cheers
>>> >>> Uri
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|13:07 , josue moreno wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hi,
>>> >>>> in the menu score, there is Settings - Document Preferences,
>>> >>>> clicking on
>>> >>>> it opens a preference settings window in the score. There,  
>>> almost
>>> >>>> at the
>>> >>>> bottom there is some dedicated part for the tuplets.
>>> >>>> Hope this helps.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Uri Sala escribió:
>>> >>>>> Hi Josué,
>>> >>>>> I only found a Score> Document Preferences> Tuplets, with  
>>> the only
>>> >>>>> option of checking/unchecking a write tuplets radio button.  
>>> Hmm...
>>> >>>>> Nothing about tuplet style.
>>> >>>>> Best
>>> >>>>> Uri
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On ThursdayJan 29, at ThuJan 29|12:45 , josue moreno wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Hi there Uri,
>>> >>>>>> you can select in the menu: Score / Document Settings /  
>>> Tuplet
>>> >>>> Style -
>>> >>>>>> Modern
>>> >>>>>> That will display the tuplets in ratio form.
>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>> >>>>>> Josué
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Uri Sala escribió:
>>> >>>>>>> Hi,
>>> >>>>>>> The way PWGL works, tuplets only show one of the numbers
>>> >>>> involved in
>>> >>>>>>> the scaling, as it if were assuming that it is always  
>>> "against 4",
>>> >>>>>>> which is not the case. How can I tell ENP to show both
>>> >>>> numerator and
>>> >>>>>>> denominator in a tuplet?
>>> >>>>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>>>> Uri.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
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> Dr. Mika Kuuskankare
> Researcher
> Centre for Music & Technology
> Sibelius Academy
>
> Henkilökohtainen postiosoite/Personal post address
> PL 342 - PO Box 342
> FIN-00121 Helsinki, FINLAND
> Tel: +358 (0)40 5415 233
> Skype: mkuuskan
> personal home page: www.siba.fi/~mkuuskan
> project home page: www.siba.fi/PWGL
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