Re: rescue Digest, Vol 83, Issue 18

[Chris Brandstetter]

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> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:36:23 -0400
> From: Steve Sandau <ssandau@...>
> To: The Rescue List <rescue@...>
> Subject: Re: [rescue] off topic - red hat linux book
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> Bill Bradford wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 01:05:27PM -0600, Robert Darlington wrote:
> >> Actually, then again, I did write that giant Expect script to patch IRIX!
> >
> > "Expect pain and suffering."
> >
>
> Ahhh, "pain and suffering" would also describe out experiences with
> RedHat. The hardware is nowhere near as well-behaved as SPARC boxes,
> meaningful documentation on kernel TCP parameters has been really hard
> to find, and the config files appear to be designed to be convoluted and
> confusing, not to mention some other problems like arp flux that we have
> found. When I call support, they are helpful, but I have the feeling
> that they are learning along with me.
>
> Of all the  operating systems we admin, RedHat is taking up a *much*
> larger percentage than HP, Solaris, AIX and even (ewwww) SCO.
>
> I love Linux and have been using Slackware as a desktop and server for
> 15+ years, but for some things I really prefer Solaris, and when I use
> Linux, RedHat is not my first choice.
>
> Steve

I have been a Linux Net admin for 8+ years, and using it for 13 years.
I started and used Red Hat until 6.2 at which time I tried SuSE etc...
I ended up with Debian as the best choice I have found for servers.
There are some "Why the h e double hockey stick is this here?" but over
all for patching, maintenance, size, and most important stability it
seems the easiest, as long as you don't mind getting your hands into the
command line.

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[Phil Stracchino-3]

Chris Brandstetter wrote:
> I have been a Linux Net admin for 8+ years, and using it for 13 years.
> I started and used Red Hat until 6.2 at which time I tried SuSE etc...
> I ended up with Debian as the best choice I have found for servers.
> There are some "Why the h e double hockey stick is this here?" but over
> all for patching, maintenance, size, and most important stability it
> seems the easiest, as long as you don't mind getting your hands into the
> command line.

IMHO, if you don't know how to use the command line, you shouldn't be
trying to admin ....  well, pretty much any platform but Windows or Mac,
really.  (Mac perhaps more so than Windows.  In Windows there has at
least always *been* a legacy CLI, even if it's been a crappy one and you
could only do a limited set of tasks with it.  On classic MacOS, if you
couldn't do it through the GUI, you COULDN'T DO IT, period.  I'm unclear
to what extent this has changed with OSX.)


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[gsm-2]

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:44:04PM -0400, Phil Stracchino wrote:

>IMHO, if you don't know how to use the command line, you shouldn't be
>trying to admin ....  well, pretty much any platform but Windows or Mac,
>really.  (Mac perhaps more so than Windows.  In Windows there has at
>least always *been* a legacy CLI, even if it's been a crappy one and you
>could only do a limited set of tasks with it.  On classic MacOS, if you
>couldn't do it through the GUI, you COULDN'T DO IT, period.  I'm unclear
>to what extent this has changed with OSX.)

There is a full UNIX CLI under the wraps and some of the options can not
be changed on workstations without using it. Most of them can be changed
with the defaults command, but a few need you to go into the plist files
and edit them.

I don't know anything about MacOS server.

Geoff.
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[Jerry Kemp-3]

Mac OS X & OS X server, is Unix.

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/technology/unix.html



gsm@... wrote:

>
> There is a full UNIX CLI under the wraps and some of the options can not
> be changed on workstations without using it. Most of them can be changed
> with the defaults command, but a few need you to go into the plist files
> and edit them.
>
> I don't know anything about MacOS server.
>
> Geoff.
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[Dan Sikorski]

Phil Stracchino wrote:
> IMHO, if you don't know how to use the command line, you shouldn't be
> trying to admin ....  well, pretty much any platform but Windows or Mac,
> really.  (Mac perhaps more so than Windows.  In Windows there has at
> least always *been* a legacy CLI, even if it's been a crappy one and you
> could only do a limited set of tasks with it.  On classic MacOS, if you
> couldn't do it through the GUI, you COULDN'T DO IT, period.  I'm unclear
> to what extent this has changed with OSX.)
>  
Believe it or not, windows is moving a lot of things toward command line
as well.  When Exchange 2007 was released, there were a number of things
that could only be done in powershell, particularly with public
folders.  They added better GUI tools with a service pack after
receiving a lot of complaints.  If you're a windows admin that intends
to still be a windows admin in a few years, you better start learning
powershell.  Maybe not as much for small environments with only a
handful of servers, but definitely for managing larger numbers of servers.

    -Dan Sikorski
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[Peter Corlett]

On 21 Oct 2009, at 17:44, Phil Stracchino wrote:
> [...] On classic MacOS, if you
> couldn't do it through the GUI, you COULDN'T DO IT, period.  I'm  
> unclear
> to what extent this has changed with OSX.)

OSX is Unix with a shiny GUI.

Try logging in to a Mac as ">console" (without quotes) some time.
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