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by Peter Steenkiste :: Rate this Message:

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Hello John:
This helps, thanks.  It looks like you are saying that a component can
be a collection of other components (possibly with resources added),
which make sense to me. It may be useful to make this explicit in the table.

I have taken a shot at adding rows for wireless.  Here is a bit of
background:

"Wireless nodes": I have somewhat arbitrarily divided them in regular
wireless nodes that use fairly traditional wireless interfaces for a
handful of standards  (offer limited flexibility at the PHY and MAC
layer) and software radio nodes.  Obviously there is a spectrum here.  
Also: nodes can have multiple radios.   We could also add sensors to the
wireless nodes.

"Wireless networks": Again there is spectrum here.  I have put them in
two classes:
- In the wild testbeds: highly realistic but most aspects of the testbed
cannot be controller.  Can be big.  We would probably need a variety of
them, capturing different environments (residential, vehicular, urban,
rural, ...)
- Controlled wireless testbeds: provide a high level of control over
node placement (wide range of densities, degrees of mobility,  etc.) and
transmission medium.  Ideally, they would offer some degree of
repeatability as well, and they would support a mix of wireless
technologies (radios).  There are many ways of achieving this, e.g.
testbeds in controlled physical environments, emulation at the PHY level
, emulation at the packet level, etc.  Scale will usually be limited in
some way.

There are other types of testbed for wireless but their focus is purely
wireless, so they do not seem relevant to GENI.

There is obviously a limit to how much detail you can put in a table.

Peter




John Jacob wrote:

> All,
>
> Thank you for the recent discussions on this mailing list, it has been
> very helpful and we (GPO) are pleased by the level of activity.  Below
> is a list of comments and questions I believe summarizes the
> discussion to date.
>
> 1. We need consensus on definitions for all column headings in the
> excel spreadsheet. The two which seem to generate the most discussion
> are component and sliceable.
>
> 1a. One area of confusion with component column was the notion of a
> component being constructed from a set of other components,
> specifically the network component.  As shown in the latest
> spreadsheet,  the wireless sensor domain may view subnets as a
> substrate component. There was also input to this list suggesting that
> a network could be spatially separated for isolated experiments, which
> may also support treating the network, and other scenarios where a
> group of components, is itself treated as a component. I would like
> the near term focus be to build consensus on what we mean by component
> and that we have a complete list in Column A. Although other columns
> in the spreadsheet may raise questions, I would like to suggest an
> approach to get the list of components agreed upon. As it currently
> stands, component and substrate is somewhat blurred. A distinction may
> be that anything which has a resource available for a GENI researcher
> to build a slice from should be considered a component.
>
> 1b. There was some discussion on links, are these resources of a
> "network" component or should we create a separate link component?
>
> 1c. I believe "sliceable" is a bad term for a couple of reasons, one
> is that the term slice is used in GENI to refer to a specific
> researchers collection of GENI resources, and each piece of a resource
> is called a sliver. Instead of "sliceable", I will start using
> dividable (assuming no objection or other suggestions). I also believe
> that dividable could be redundant with resource, since a resource is
> ideally something that can be shared across many experiments. If
> in-fact, a resource is not dividable, it may be an exception and not
> the rule. So, in future versions of this spreadsheet, the dividable
> column may be deleted.
>
> 2. The concept of measurement and how it affects our work in the
> substrate-wg, is not presently addressed in the spreadsheet, however
> it probably should be included. Currently, I can identify three areas
> where measurement distinctions may be drawn; GIMS as a measurement
> service, for use in GENI operations and management, and the dependence
> of external test equipment on substrate components/architecture. There
> was earlier discussion on measurements for cross-layer networking, but
> I believe this could be addressed in the following discussion on
> control plane.
>
> 3. The GENI narrow waist control and operations management entities
> are outside the scope of research, and are essential in ensuring a
> safe and robust GENI environment. Furthermore, control and management
> research will not be allowed to compromise this essential operation.
> However, there is significant interest in using GENI for research on
> control and management of next generation networks. The research
> elements of control and management probably should fall into the
> substrate-wg activities. From the perspective of identifying
> components and resources, how should we position these network functions?
>
> 4. A comment was made that the current substrate-component-resource
> hierarchy implied by the worksheet may not be adequate. We are not
> constrained by a column count, so we should do whatever makes the most
> sense. Hopefully the answer to this will evolve as we populate the
> worksheet. To reiterate my previous suggestion, I would like to see
> the wg focus on column A (components) first, and we can build from
> that base.
>
> I believe this captures the discussions thus far, if I have omitted or
> missed on the interpretation, please speak up. Attached is the latest
> version of the spreadsheet. What is missing, confusing, wrong? Do we
> have wireless covered? What about a wireless subnet distinction from
> wireless sensor subnets?
>
> Thanks,
> John
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>
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