Re: ubuntu-ph: Proposal: Merge of Tagalog to Filipino Translation

[Danny Garcia]

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Regarding:
Proposal: Merge of Tagalog to Filipino Translation

You are correct Dax and it would make it seem more Pilipino.

Thanks :)

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Subject: [Ubuntu-PH] Proposal: Merge of Tagalog to Filipino
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Hello,

I've recently started translating Xubuntu and noticed the redundancy in
the Tagalog(TL) and Filipino(FIL) translations. The official language in
the Philippines was changed from Tagalog to Filipino - the only
difference is the name. There's no change in the structure of the
language itself. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

I wish to push for the merging of Tagalog to Filipino translation, then
retain Filipino and discard Tagalog, but I first need your input on this
before I try to contact upstream and Ubuntu devs regarding this.

*note: I proposed this to our LoCo last year but was told that upstream
still prefers Tagalog over Filipino - but I believe it's already due for
a change.

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[Erwin Olario-2]

Though Filipino is largely based on Tagalog, they are often mistakenly thought of as the same. The language rules are different.  For one, the Tagalog alphabet did not have the letters: f, j, c, x and z but are included in the Filipino alphabet.

Practically speaking many people do not differentiate Filipino from Tagalog but there's is a difference, which we'll have to leave to scholars to debate on. If we Pinoys are confused between the two, then we couldn't blame foreigners if they keep referring to it as Tagalog can we?

I support the merger of the Tagalog-Filipino translation. IMO, completing a strictly Tagalog translation is an exercise in futility.

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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Danny Garcia <dannybuntu@...> wrote:

Hello Ubuntu-PH,

I am new to this list, and it's actually the first I ever subscribed to. Please slap me around if I did this wrong :)

Regarding:
Proposal: Merge of Tagalog to Filipino Translation

You are correct Dax and it would make it seem more Pilipino.

Thanks :)

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:07:43 +0800
From: Dax Solomon Umaming <knightlust@...>
Subject: [Ubuntu-PH] Proposal: Merge of Tagalog to Filipino
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To: "Mailing List para sa Ubuntu Pilipinas (Philippines)"
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Hello,

I've recently started translating Xubuntu and noticed the redundancy in
the Tagalog(TL) and Filipino(FIL) translations. The official language in
the Philippines was changed from Tagalog to Filipino - the only
difference is the name. There's no change in the structure of the
language itself. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)

I wish to push for the merging of Tagalog to Filipino translation, then
retain Filipino and discard Tagalog, but I first need your input on this
before I try to contact upstream and Ubuntu devs regarding this.

*note: I proposed this to our LoCo last year but was told that upstream
still prefers Tagalog over Filipino - but I believe it's already due for
a change.

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Dax Solomon Umaming
http://blog.knightlust.com/
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[Dax Solomon Umaming-2]

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I've started working on the Translation[1]wiki but I'll need your help
in identifying languages and dialects that we need to take ownership of.
Here's the list of all languages up for translation.[2]

So far, I've identified:
*Languages*
- - Tagalog: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/tl
- - Filipino:
https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/fil

*Dialects*
- - Cebuano: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/ceb
- - Hiligaynon:
https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/hil
- - Pampanga:
https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/pam

And then, there's the redundancy issue...
- - Do we still translate Tagalog? or do we now stick with Filipino
Translations?
- - If we stick with Filipino, then we should back off Tagalog translations.

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilippineTeam/Translations
[2] https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty
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[Dax Solomon Umaming-2]

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Dax Solomon Umaming wrote:
> *Dialects*
> - Cebuano: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/ceb
> - Hiligaynon:
> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/hil
> - Pampanga:
> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/pam

I stand corrected, Cebuano, Hiligaynon, and Kapampangan are Languages,
not dialects

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[naruto_kun]

My opinion is to stick with Filipino translations. I think its good for
the whole country.
On Sat, 2009-04-18 at 10:21 +0800, Dax Solomon Umaming wrote:
> r do we now stick with Filipino


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