Re: users Digest 5 Nov 2009 20:03:27 -0000 Issue 7229

[Michael Reich-3]

John:

I'm not following your question completely, but when I insert graphics
into documents using Writer, right clicking on the image and selecting
Anchor gives me four choices: To Page, To Paragraph, To Character, and
As Character.   Nothing shows to anchor "To Frame."   I think the
question is to what frame is the documentation referring?

Only after adding a caption (and after Writer creates the "outer" frame
to hold the caption), does "To Frame" appear.   It seems to be referring
to anchoring the image frame to the "outer" frame which holds the image
and caption.  If you select the "outer" frame and right click, the "To
Frame" option is not present.  That makes some sense because you can't
anchor something that doesn't exist at that level (if frames within
frames can be considered to have different "levels").  The "inner"
frame, the graphic, can't be anchored to a Frame if the "outer" frame
doesn't exist.  If the "outer" frame does exist because you inserted a
caption, then you see the option.

If some of your images have captions and others do not, that would
explain the difference you're seeing.   Writer's use of the "outer"
frame is not very intuitive and if you're not careful, you can easily
select the image frame when you think you're selecting the "outer" frame
(with caption and image).  In fact, it took me a long while to even
realize that there was a second frame involved when adding captions.

HTH.

-Michael

> Subject:
> [users] Pictures inside frames - Anchor To Frame
> From:
> John Kaufmann <kaufmann@...>
> Date:
> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:26:58 -0500
>
> To:
> users@...
>
>
> I tried this question six weeks ago and got no answer, but with the
> indulgence of the list I'd like to try it again, in the hope that
> someone might have a new thought about it:
>
> According to the OO documentation ("Working with Graphics"), any
> picture inside a frame should have "To Frame" among its Anchor
> options.  In a document I wrote are ~30 pictures inside frames - but
> only half of them have the "Anchor.. To Frame" option.  After much
> study, I'm still unable to see the difference between those that have
> and those that do not have the option.  Even pictures side by side can
> be different.  Can anyone tell me what to look for to normalize this?
>
> And - bonus question - since Writer believes that a picture with
> caption is lost without a frame (and thus supplies one automatically),
> why would the picture ever *not* be anchored to the frame?
>
> John

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[John Kaufmann]

Michael,

Thanks for your reply to my question [though I regret that it is outside
the thread], but I agree that you were not able to follow the question
completely (my fault), so I will try to clarify:

(1) Yes, only after a frame is explicitly added, or a caption is added
(which forces the frame to be added around picture and caption) is there
a frame around the picture.

(2) Yes, considering the frame and its contents, the object focus can be
on one of the following:
   Whole frame - Anchor {To Page | To Paragraph | To Character | As
Character}
   The picture - Anchor {To Page | To Paragraph | To Character | As
Character | To Frame}
   The caption - which has no Anchor; it simply flows within the Frame.

All of the pictures in my document have captions and are in frames; half
of them have an Anchor option "To Frame" [as the Writer Guide says they
should have]; the other half do not have that option.  I simply can't
see the difference between those with and those without that option.  If
your pictures with captions (and thus within frames) never show that
anchor option, then I would be concerned
<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Arranging_anchoring_aligning>.

According to that, ALL pictures within frames should have the Anchor
option "To Frame". Only half of mine have it, and I can't see a
difference between those that have, and those that do not have, that
option.  As far as you can see, NONE of your pictures in frames have
that option.  It's all very curious... which is what prompted my
question.  I'm afraid I will have to start examining these anomalies
with an XML editor.

Thanks again for your reply,
John

In a message dated 2009.11.05 16:57 -0500, Michael Reich wrote:

> I'm not following your question completely, but when I insert graphics
> into documents using Writer, right clicking on the image and selecting
> Anchor gives me four choices: To Page, To Paragraph, To Character, and
> As Character.   Nothing shows to anchor "To Frame."   I think the
> question is to what frame is the documentation referring?
>
> Only after adding a caption (and after Writer creates the "outer" frame
> to hold the caption), does "To Frame" appear.   It seems to be referring
> to anchoring the image frame to the "outer" frame which holds the image
> and caption.  If you select the "outer" frame and right click, the "To
> Frame" option is not present.  That makes some sense because you can't
> anchor something that doesn't exist at that level (if frames within
> frames can be considered to have different "levels").  The "inner"
> frame, the graphic, can't be anchored to a Frame if the "outer" frame
> doesn't exist.  If the "outer" frame does exist because you inserted a
> caption, then you see the option.
>
> If some of your images have captions and others do not, that would
> explain the difference you're seeing.   Writer's use of the "outer"
> frame is not very intuitive and if you're not careful, you can easily
> select the image frame when you think you're selecting the "outer" frame
> (with caption and image).  In fact, it took me a long while to even
> realize that there was a second frame involved when adding captions.
>
> HTH.
>
> -Michael
>> Subject:
>> [users] Pictures inside frames - Anchor To Frame
>> From:
>> John Kaufmann <kaufmann@...>
>> Date:
>> Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:26:58 -0500
>>
>> To:
>> users@...
>>
>>
>> I tried this question six weeks ago and got no answer, but with the
>> indulgence of the list I'd like to try it again, in the hope that
>> someone might have a new thought about it:
>>
>> According to the OO documentation ("Working with Graphics"), any
>> picture inside a frame should have "To Frame" among its Anchor
>> options.  In a document I wrote are ~30 pictures inside frames - but
>> only half of them have the "Anchor.. To Frame" option.  After much
>> study, I'm still unable to see the difference between those that have
>> and those that do not have the option.  Even pictures side by side can
>> be different.  Can anyone tell me what to look for to normalize this?
>>
>> And - bonus question - since Writer believes that a picture with
>> caption is lost without a frame (and thus supplies one automatically),
>> why would the picture ever *not* be anchored to the frame?
>>
>> John
>
>
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