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Re: vpnc or openvpn
by Robert G. Brown
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, seth vidal wrote:
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> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 12:59 -0400, Robert G. Brown wrote:
>
>> But these are all things distributed by Fedora. So, is Fedora going to
>> kick openvpn out because it is linked to openssl and yet has a GPL, or
>> ignore it because if they kicked it out the screams would be heard from
>> here to China? If they're going to ignore it, why can they NOT ignore
>> the same thing in vpnc?
>>
>> Enquiring minds like to know...;-)
>>
>> REALLY enquiring minds would be looking for a practical non-religious
>> solution to this problem, as well -- something like simply shifting
>> licenses depending on where a product is, or turning the openssl support
>> into a plugin provided under its own license. But it won't be my own
>> enquiring mind that does any of that...
>>
>
> Okay maybe I was unclear:
No, it's just list-lag. I should just read the whole thread before
replying one item at a time. Sorry.
> 1. openvpn isn't an issue it's GPL license has an exception to allow
> linking to openssl. So it can and IS included in fedora legally and
> aboveboard
>
> 2. Python is not at issue b/c it is PSF not GPL
>
> 3. The licensing folks who work on fedora have been over our openSSL
> linkages with a comb. Afaik, at this point fedora is clean with regard
> to openssl and gpl license issues. However, IANAL and I do not speak for
> the licensing folks so do not quote me on this.
>
> 4. There are some software which have the gpl exception but HATE having
> it and work is going on to make them use nss instead which solves the
> issue.
>
> does that clear it up?
Absolutely. And yes, dumping openssl does seem like a very reasonable,
if unfortunately draconian solution. License proliferation is at least
moderately evil, and of course it is self-inflicted evil in the open
source world where the whole POINT of having open sources is to not have
to screw around with this sort of crap.
I'm not suggesting that it should be taken lightly or anything like
that. I really did just want to know how it worked, because it seems
relevant to people like e.g. Chris Walter or Sean who've been hacking on
vpnc. One wonders if the nss_compat_ossl package might not let vpnc
just rebuild and work. But not enough for one to work on it, at least
if one is me. Too much to do, short spring break to do it all, and I've
already wasted SO much time on this in the last eighteen hours.
I should never rant. There is just no point to it.
rgb
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> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 12:59 -0400, Robert G. Brown wrote:
>
>> But these are all things distributed by Fedora. So, is Fedora going to
>> kick openvpn out because it is linked to openssl and yet has a GPL, or
>> ignore it because if they kicked it out the screams would be heard from
>> here to China? If they're going to ignore it, why can they NOT ignore
>> the same thing in vpnc?
>>
>> Enquiring minds like to know...;-)
>>
>> REALLY enquiring minds would be looking for a practical non-religious
>> solution to this problem, as well -- something like simply shifting
>> licenses depending on where a product is, or turning the openssl support
>> into a plugin provided under its own license. But it won't be my own
>> enquiring mind that does any of that...
>>
>
> Okay maybe I was unclear:
No, it's just list-lag. I should just read the whole thread before
replying one item at a time. Sorry.
> 1. openvpn isn't an issue it's GPL license has an exception to allow
> linking to openssl. So it can and IS included in fedora legally and
> aboveboard
>
> 2. Python is not at issue b/c it is PSF not GPL
>
> 3. The licensing folks who work on fedora have been over our openSSL
> linkages with a comb. Afaik, at this point fedora is clean with regard
> to openssl and gpl license issues. However, IANAL and I do not speak for
> the licensing folks so do not quote me on this.
>
> 4. There are some software which have the gpl exception but HATE having
> it and work is going on to make them use nss instead which solves the
> issue.
>
> does that clear it up?
Absolutely. And yes, dumping openssl does seem like a very reasonable,
if unfortunately draconian solution. License proliferation is at least
moderately evil, and of course it is self-inflicted evil in the open
source world where the whole POINT of having open sources is to not have
to screw around with this sort of crap.
I'm not suggesting that it should be taken lightly or anything like
that. I really did just want to know how it worked, because it seems
relevant to people like e.g. Chris Walter or Sean who've been hacking on
vpnc. One wonders if the nss_compat_ossl package might not let vpnc
just rebuild and work. But not enough for one to work on it, at least
if one is me. Too much to do, short spring break to do it all, and I've
already wasted SO much time on this in the last eighteen hours.
I should never rant. There is just no point to it.
rgb
--
Robert G. Brown Phone(cell): 1-919-280-8443
Duke University Physics Dept, Box 90305
Durham, N.C. 27708-0305
Web: http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb
Book of Lilith Website: http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Lilith/Lilith.php
Lulu Bookstore: http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=877977
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