Re: Release update: deep freeze, planned dates, and remaining bugs

[Johannes Wiedersich-3]

Adeodato Simó wrote:
> The weekend of February 14th is going to be our tentative target for
> release.

Please, don't release before ready, but actually about half an hour
before that date would be more fun:

At 23:31:30 UTC on February 13, 2009, a celebration is expected as the
Unix time number reaches 1234567890 seconds. [1]

Cheers,

Johannes

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_t


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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Adeodato Simó wrote:
>> The weekend of February 14th is going to be our tentative target for
>> release.
>
> Please, don't release before ready, but actually about half an hour
> before that date would be more fun:
>
> At 23:31:30 UTC on February 13, 2009, a celebration is expected as the
> Unix time number reaches 1234567890 seconds. [1]
Well, but Feb 14 is the Valentine's Day, fun seems to be already planned ;)

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[Daniel Baumann-4]

Adeodato Simó wrote:
> The weekend of February 14th is going to be our tentative target for
> release. We've checked with all the involved teams (which are many!),
> and the date works for all of them.

you forgot debian-live@.... remember that producing final
live images requires:

  a) having network access to a mirror that has lenny final through http

  b) me having about 8 to 12 hours of time to actually put all the
     images and flavours together.

  c) let sledge mirror them to cdimage.debian.org (it's about ~50gb)

thank you for your cooperation.

Regards,
Daniel

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[David Paleino]

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:55:16 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > The weekend of February 14th is going to be our tentative target for
> > release.
>
> Please, don't release before ready, but actually about half an hour
> before that date would be more fun:
>
> At 23:31:30 UTC on February 13, 2009, a celebration is expected as the
> Unix time number reaches 1234567890 seconds. [1]

As someone noted on debian-italian, one second later would be just as cool:

$ factor 1234567891
1234567891: 1234567891

(i.e. it's a prime number)

David

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[Johannes Wiedersich]

David Paleino wrote:
> As someone noted on debian-italian, one second later would be just as cool:
>
> $ factor 1234567891
> 1234567891: 1234567891
>
> (i.e. it's a prime number)

>From my quick check, these events don't seem to be so rare:

$ for i in $(seq 1234567890 $[1234567890+3600]); \
  do factor $i; done |grep ": 12345" |wc

shows that there are 163 prime numbers within the hour after 1234567890.

On the other hand, there have been a few announcements to celebrate
1234567890.

Cheers,
Johannes


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[Luk Claes]

Daniel Baumann wrote:
> Adeodato Simó wrote:
>> The weekend of February 14th is going to be our tentative target for
>> release. We've checked with all the involved teams (which are many!),
>> and the date works for all of them.

Just to clarify: we've checked with key people if the date would be ok
and if they could coordinate with the people actually doing things.

> you forgot debian-live@.... remember that producing final
> live images requires:
>
>   a) having network access to a mirror that has lenny final through http

Does that mean lenny has to be stable already or would lenny (testing)
not changing anymore be enough?

>   b) me having about 8 to 12 hours of time to actually put all the
>      images and flavours together.

I guess it means not changing anymore.

I plan to stop testing migration after Thursday's last run, does anyone
see a problem with that (apart from everything needing to be ready at
that time)?

Anyway, if you need/want to build the images after the actual release
that will mean earliest Saturday afternoon and more probably Saturday
evening/Sunday.

>   c) let sledge mirror them to cdimage.debian.org (it's about ~50gb)

I hope that would be similar to the other CD images, so would not cause
much additional overhead?

> thank you for your cooperation.

Likewise!

Cheers

Luk


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[Daniel Baumann-4]

Luk Claes wrote:
> Just to clarify: we've checked with key people if the date would be ok
> and if they could coordinate with the people actually doing things.

for the records: since from an organizational point of view, the
live-team does not fit (resp. was not allowed/welcomed to fit) under
another umbrella, you do have to contact us directly and not through
someone 'above'.

>>   a) having network access to a mirror that has lenny final through http
>
> Does that mean lenny has to be stable already or would lenny (testing)
> not changing anymore be enough?

live images do contain in their default builds, for convencience
reasons, the apt indices (/var/lib/apt/lists/*). this allows, that a
user can install a package in a running live system without needing to
do an apt-update.

given that we're using the codenames everwhere and not the suite names,
we could build the live images even against an unreleased lenny mirror.

however, for cosmetic reasons, it would be nicer to build them against
final lenny. otherwise the release files on lenny final images would
claim it's testing (without any other technical consequence) which feels
 akward.

> Anyway, if you need/want to build the images after the actual release
> that will mean earliest Saturday afternoon and more probably Saturday
> evening/Sunday.

that would be nice.

Regards,
Daniel

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[Steve McIntyre]

On Sat, Feb 07, 2009 at 11:48:44PM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
>
>however, for cosmetic reasons, it would be nicer to build them against
>final lenny. otherwise the release files on lenny final images would
>claim it's testing (without any other technical consequence) which feels
> akward.

Sure, sounds better.

>> Anyway, if you need/want to build the images after the actual release
>> that will mean earliest Saturday afternoon and more probably Saturday
>> evening/Sunday.
>
>that would be nice.

Cool. I'll be doing builds during Saturday; let's co-ordinate as we go
so that we can release as quickly as possible.

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[Daniel Baumann-4]

Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Cool. I'll be doing builds during Saturday; let's co-ordinate as we go
> so that we can release as quickly as possible.

i'll be online the whole weekend, so best would be if someone would ping
me on irc when i can start the builds. once they are finished, i'll let
steve know where to sync them like i did the last times.

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