Real men don't attack straw men

[Brian-79]

Are register values preserved between function calls on amd64?  I'm pretty sure
they are whipped out on i386, but I'm sure about amd64.

Do I need to write parameters to %rbp offset, then follow the x86-abi for
registers to write to before making the function call?  When I disassemble C
code, it looks like the parameters are written to %rbp, then to the registers
per the x86-84 abi, and then the function is called?  Is this the preferred way
to write function calls?  And I would use the same method to save the return
value in %rax, right?

Thanks,

Brian


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[Andrés Delfino]

Richard, isn't:

"Run GNOME in a **VMWare Player** in a Linux virtual machine."

Or:

"Run GNOME on a virtual machine using QEMU on Linux or **Parallels**
for **Mac** or Linux."

promoting the use of non-free software?

http://torrent.gnome.org/

GNOME _is_ a GNU package.

Greetings!

[Jacob Grydholt Jensen]

On 05/01/2008, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote:

> I use ports. I am not dumb. :P The goals do not specify "to encourage
> people to use
> non-free software", but I see that happening anyway.

And so what? I think you were trying to prove that OpenBSD were not
living up to their goals. Instead you are repeating what RMS started
out with. Try actually showing us one of OpenBSD's goals that the
project is not following.

> Your own claims?
>
> 1. (Try to be the #1 most secure operating system). Google for adobe
> flash player vulnerabilities.

What are you on about? As people have tried to explain again and
again, OpenBSD does not ship with adobe flash player. Did you
understand the "Secure by Default" mode?


Jacob Grydholt

[Andrés Delfino]

Richard, Linux is not free software, as you have already stated,
please change your religion, so users don't get confused.

"Emacs was originally a text editor, but it became a way of life and a
religion. To join the Church of Emacs, you need only say the
Confession of the Faith three times:

There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."

http://www.stallman.org/saint.html

Greetings!

[guilt]

On Jan 6, 2008 12:26 AM, Siju George <sgeorge.ml@...> wrote:

> On Jan 5, 2008 11:28 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote:
> > I represent neither FSF nor OpenBSD. I probably represent the
> > community which listens to the propagandas put across by both but
> > wants to fight back against false marketing and for the right things
> > TM.
> >
>
> This is your website right?
>
> http://guilt.bafsoft.net/links.html
>
> If you think OpenBSD is not free then why did you put it under Free
> OSes in your site?
>
> ==========================
>
> Free OSes
>
> OpenBSD link
> Debian link
> Slackware link
> Minix link
> OpenSolaris link
>
> ==========================
>

It even has Debian and Slackware; Which contain lots of non-free
software. It's been a while since I removed links on that page. And
for the information I very much use OpenBSD. Maybe I should change the
title to "Free as in beer OSes".

> By now if you have been carefully studying you should have learned
> that OpenBSD ans OpenSolaris are as far as east is from the west when
> it comes to freedom?
>

All I see is a set of groups spreading propaganda in their own
interests. I take no sides. :-)

BSD 4.2 -> 4.4 -> 4.4 Lite -> OpenBSD; 4.2 -> SunOS -> OpenSolaris;
Maybe someone might fork OpenBSD in the future and make money. Too
early to decide.

> Or Are you also like RMS who knows nothing but opens his big mouth to
> utter nonsense?
>

I'm not RMS and don't compare one person with another.

> Go to sleep and have a good night and come back in the morning with a
> fresh mind :-)
>

It's 1:25 am already. With some luck I can keep replying and stay awake ;)

>
> Yup you are so important and famous that everyone should be
> discouraged about what you think and say!
>

I'm not forcing that opinion on anybody. Like it or leave it.


--
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http://guilt.bafsoft.net

[guilt]

> Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not
> allow them to be redistributed with the system.
>

You are talking of free as in freedom and not price, right? If the
whole point was to avoid paying $$$ in OpenBSD, my bad.

> --
> Gilles Chehade
>



--
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http://guilt.bafsoft.net

[William Boshuck]

On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:28:24PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
>
> I represent neither FSF nor OpenBSD. I probably represent the
> community which listens to the propagandas put across by both but
> wants to fight back against false marketing and for the right things
> TM.

Great.  The first step is to inform yourself to that your role
evolves from one who listens to one who understands.

[William Boshuck]

On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:39:17PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:

> On Jan 5, 2008 11:20 PM, William Boshuck <boshuk@...> wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
> > > > On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind our users installing
> > > > non free software if it is what they want. The FAQ is where this needs to
> > > > be documented for users to get their job done faster.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you don't mind users using non-free software, you shouldn't be
> > > putting the 'Free. ' in 'Free. Functional. Secure.'
> >
> > The word 'free' is there because OpenBSD is free.  It is not
> > there because developers mind or don't mind users doing this
> > or that.
> >
>
> You're missing the point why somebody is calling OpenBSD non-free.

Such a somebody is mistaken.  Full stop.
The point "why somebody" issues mistaken pronouncements is not
my concern.

> > Should you wish to inform yourself, there are a number of posts
> > in the list archives explaining various specific reasons why the
> > OpenBSD developers are against blobs.  Theo, in particular, wrote
> > at least one rather short and very cogent message explaining the
> > reasons.  You should look towards the beginning of the threads,
> > because later on you are more likely to see Theo losing patience
> > with respondents who did not read the original posts (carefully
> > enough, or perhaps not at all).
> >
>
> Here is one:
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-March/081313.html

A swing and a miss.

[L-9]

Karthik Kumar wrote:
>  It's been a while since I removed links on that page. And
> for the information I very much use OpenBSD. Maybe I should change the
> title to "Free as in beer OSes".
>
>  
No. Free is free.

Free as in beer is unethical to children who view the website and wonder
what beer tastes like and get drunk because they read beer was something
that was "good" on the GNU site. Since free as in beer is on the site,
it restricts children from knowing what the site means as they have
never tried beer. But now they want to drink under the age because of
Stallman.

Stop playing with phrases.

Free as in sex, is what you use. That way, you confuse people even more.
The software and hardware involved, makes more sense to everyone when it
is explained in terms of sexuality.

http://z505.com/gng/

[L-9]

Karthik Kumar wrote:
>> Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not
>> allow them to be redistributed with the system.
>>
>>    
>
> You are talking of free as in freedom and not price, right? If the
> whole point was to avoid paying $$$ in OpenBSD, my bad.
>
>  

The GNG foundation speaks of free as in sex,  not cost.

Firmware goes into software.

[Ted Unangst-2]

On 1/5/08, Brian <bwaichu@...> wrote:
> Are register values preserved between function calls on amd64?  I'm pretty sure
> they are whipped out on i386, but I'm sure about amd64.
>
> Do I need to write parameters to %rbp offset, then follow the x86-abi for
> registers to write to before making the function call?  When I disassemble C
> code, it looks like the parameters are written to %rbp, then to the registers
> per the x86-84 abi, and then the function is called?  Is this the preferred way
> to write function calls?  And I would use the same method to save the return
> value in %rax, right?

it should be spilling the old register values to the stack, not the
new arguments.  arguments after 4 do go on the stack though.

[L-9]

Reid Nichol wrote:

> --- Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote:
>  
>> Use of non-free software is highly harmful to your
>> computer and ethics.
>>    
>
> Please cite a piece of software that can harm my computer merely
> because it is "non-free" in the FSF/GNU sense.  And you should probably
> qualify that ethics remark with: Should you be an extremist of sorts...
>
>
>  

Eggs are harmful because they do not come with reproductive chickens.

Books are harmful because they can be photocopied and we are not allowed
to resell them without complicated permission first.

The photocopier is the machine that makes copying books virtually free..
similar to CD-ROM drives.

The chicken is the machine that makes copying eggs virtually free..
similar to CD-ROM drives.

Yet there is no free book license or free egg license, because personal
source comments in code are different than personal comments and
algorithms on paper in O'Reilly books.

Source comments, inside code.. ARE a book. My code always contains
plenty of personal comments around my algorithms explaining why I came
up with that algorithm and how the person can use the algorithm.


L505

[Marco Peereboom]

On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:28:53AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:

> On Jan 6, 2008 12:26 AM, Siju George <sgeorge.ml@...> wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 2008 11:28 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote:
> > > I represent neither FSF nor OpenBSD. I probably represent the
> > > community which listens to the propagandas put across by both but
> > > wants to fight back against false marketing and for the right things
> > > TM.
> > >
> >
> > This is your website right?
> >
> > http://guilt.bafsoft.net/links.html
> >
> > If you think OpenBSD is not free then why did you put it under Free
> > OSes in your site?
> >
> > ==========================
> >
> > Free OSes
> >
> > OpenBSD link
> > Debian link
> > Slackware link
> > Minix link
> > OpenSolaris link
> >
> > ==========================
> >
>
> It even has Debian and Slackware; Which contain lots of non-free
> software. It's been a while since I removed links on that page. And
> for the information I very much use OpenBSD. Maybe I should change the
> title to "Free as in beer OSes".

There is no such thing as free as in beer.  This is one of the dumbest
analogies I have ever heard.  Who came up with it anyway?  Was it the
FSF by any chance?

>
> > By now if you have been carefully studying you should have learned
> > that OpenBSD ans OpenSolaris are as far as east is from the west when
> > it comes to freedom?
> >
>
> All I see is a set of groups spreading propaganda in their own
> interests. I take no sides. :-)

Wrong.  One spreads propaganda and accuses the other of bs.  The other
calls the bs out and proves conclusively that there is (let me use a FSF
word here) FUD.  Your arguments are stupid and you have been told
repeatedly so.  Don't like it?  stop replying.  I will continue to point
out that your arguments are a fallacy.

>
> BSD 4.2 -> 4.4 -> 4.4 Lite -> OpenBSD; 4.2 -> SunOS -> OpenSolaris;
> Maybe someone might fork OpenBSD in the future and make money. Too
> early to decide.

Good for them.  We, the actual OpenBSD community, encourages others to
use our code.

>
> > Or Are you also like RMS who knows nothing but opens his big mouth to
> > utter nonsense?
> >
>
> I'm not RMS and don't compare one person with another.

You sound like him.

>
> > Go to sleep and have a good night and come back in the morning with a
> > fresh mind :-)
> >
>
> It's 1:25 am already. With some luck I can keep replying and stay awake ;)
>
> >
> > Yup you are so important and famous that everyone should be
> > discouraged about what you think and say!
> >
>
> I'm not forcing that opinion on anybody. Like it or leave it.

And you have been told by many that your opinion has no bearing.
Repeating it won't make it so.

>
>
> --
> Karthik
> http://guilt.bafsoft.net

[Gilles Chehade-6]

On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
> > Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not
> > allow them to be redistributed with the system.
> >
>
> You are talking of free as in freedom and not price, right? If the
> whole point was to avoid paying $$$ in OpenBSD, my bad.
>

What has money to do with this ?
You sound like you have issues understanding, so I will make it as simple
as I can, please take the time to read a few times, and make sure you get
it, before replying to this mail:

        - vendor A sells hardware that requires a firmware

        - OpenBSD wants to support that hardware and needs the firmware
                to be shipped, say in /etc/firmware/, to have the
                hardware work out of the box

        - vendor A says "if a customer wants the firmware, he must go
                to out website and fill a registration form online".

        - OpenBSD does not ship the firmware because it is not free
                enough.

See ? This is an example, it is unrelated to money, and you still failed
to show us ONE point where we don't stick to our goals.

--
Gilles Chehade

[Leonardo Rodrigues]

Maybe those watchdog timeouts have nothing to do with bittorrent, and
are probably more related to nic problems. Have you tried running your
torrent client with a different network card?


On Jan 5, 2008 4:22 PM, Brian <bwaichu@...> wrote:

> Is there any suggested PF setup when using BitTorrent?
>
> Right now, the biggest problem I have when using BitTorrent is watchdog
> timeouts.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
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[Gregg Reynolds-4]

[Gregg Reynolds-4]

On 1/5/08, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote:
> Does ReactOS recommend non-free software?
> If so. please show me what it says, and the URL.

I have a better idea.  Why don't you do your own fucking homework.

[Gregg Reynolds-4]

On 1/5/08, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote:

> When I said everybody, I meant Everybody. Not one person. Applying the
> same to OpenBSD, all that the people here do is bitch about and
> nothing more.

Yeah, I noticed that too.  Why, they haven't provided me with a free
upgrade for, what 2, 3 months?  It's a disgrace.

[Rico Secada]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:14:27 +0100
"Jacob Grydholt Jensen" <grydholt@...> wrote:

> > You're missing the point why somebody is calling OpenBSD non-free.
> > Or supposedly why emacs runs on non-free.
>
> And you apparently missed the posts where the leading developers of
> OpenBSD stated that they don't care about your definition of free.

And my dad is stronger than your dad!

[Gregg Reynolds-4]

On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom <slash@...> wrote:

> There is no such thing as free as in beer.  This is one of the dumbest
> analogies I have ever heard.  Who came up with it anyway?  Was it the

Thank you.

But, like all good political slogans, it is stupid like a fox: the
hucksters who push it know that most people are too stupid to stop and
ask themselves whether it really means anything.  Kinda like "Mission
Accomplished", "Compassionate Conservativsm", "Guns don't kill people,
lead poisoning kills people", etc.