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Richard Stallman Real men don't attack straw men - It looks like some people are having a discussion in which they construct views they would find outrageous, attribute... Loading...
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Unix Fan > As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free applications to run on > non-free platforms (and say that they do),... Loading...
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L-9 Unix Fan wrote: >> As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free applications to run on >> > > >> non-free... Loading...
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Brian-79 Suggested PF Setup when using BitTorrent? - Is there any suggested PF setup when using BitTorrent? Right now, the biggest problem I have when using BitTorrent... Loading...
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Max Hayden Chiz Brian, After your post (and several others), I tried BitTorrent out on my network (sparc64 router + DOCSIS 2.0 cable... Loading...
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Chris Kuethe On Jan 14, 2008 4:06 PM, Max Hayden Chiz <max.chiz@...> wrote: > Brian, > > After your post (and several... Loading...
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Max Hayden Chiz On Jan 14, 2008 6:30 PM, Chris Kuethe <chris.kuethe@...> wrote: > My theory is that you're using a ... uh...... Loading...
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Brian-79 --- Max Hayden Chiz <max.chiz@...> wrote: > Perhaps this problem is specific to my configuration (or specific... Loading...
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Johan Beisser On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Brian wrote: > --- Max Hayden Chiz <max.chiz@...> wrote: > >> Perhaps this... Loading...
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Stuart Henderson On 2008/01/14 19:40, johan beisser wrote: > The hardware is a slightly loaded Soekris net4501 with 64mb of RAM >... Loading...
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Johan Beisser On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2008/01/14 19:40, johan beisser wrote: >> The hardware is... Loading...
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Stuart Henderson On 2008/01/15 09:13, johan beisser wrote: > > On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: > >> On... Loading...
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Johan Beisser On Jan 15, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: >> I thought the performance improvement came from 4.1 with the ... Loading...
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Maurice Janssen-2 On Tuesday, January 15, 2008 at 09:13:02 -0800, johan beisser wrote: >On Jan 15, 2008, at 1:35 AM, Stuart Henderson... Loading...
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Chris Kuethe On Jan 14, 2008 5:00 PM, Max Hayden Chiz <max.chiz@...> wrote: > cause the latency issue. By contrast if I limit... Loading...
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knitti On 1/15/08, Chris Kuethe <chris.kuethe@...> wrote: > i doubt it's your machine not being happy with number of... Loading...
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Leonardo Rodrigues Maybe those watchdog timeouts have nothing to do with bittorrent, and are probably more related to nic problems. Have... Loading...
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Brian-79 --- Leonardo Rodrigues <leonardovcr2@...> wrote: > Maybe those watchdog timeouts have nothing to do with... Loading...
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Stuart Henderson On 2008/01/06 17:50, Brian wrote: > --- Leonardo Rodrigues <leonardovcr2@...> wrote: > > > Maybe those... Loading...
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Brian-79 --- Stuart Henderson <stu@...> wrote: > On 2008/01/06 17:50, Brian wrote: > > --- Leonardo Rodrigues... Loading...
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Joel Wiramu Pauling The main annoyance I have had with bittorrent/p2p apps on openbsd is the relatively low file open limits. Pumping this... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Jan 5, 2008, at 17:15, "Joel Wiramu Pauling" <aenertia@...> wrote: > The main annoyance I have had... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino 1. Stallman states that Linux current version is partially non-free. *1 A program can't be partially non-free. A... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Thus the combined work, THE WHOLE POINT OF WRITING IT, is under > ... Loading...
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Alexander Terekhov-3 On Jan 12, 2008 1:49 AM, Reid Nichol <rnichol_rrc@...> wrote: > --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > ... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Karthik Kumar > On Jan 6, 2008 1:52 PM, Tony Abernethy <tony@...> wrote: > > Karthik Kumar wrote: > > > >... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > > - vendor A sells hardware that requires a firmware > > > > - OpenBSD wants to support that... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:09:42PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > - vendor A sells hardware that requires... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > But what about the different case where the company permits > redistribution of the binary firmware, but does... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:16AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: | > But what about the different case where the... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:06:56PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: | Now you have found a second reason for not... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/9, Paul de Weerd <weerd@...>: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:06:56PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > | ... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/12, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > In that case, buying a Windows computer would be Ok, as long as you >... Loading...
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Francesco Vollero Sunnz ha scritto: > 2008/1/12, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > >> In that case, buying a Windows computer... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:07:02PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > No it does not. During boot a Linux kernel... Loading...
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Steve Shockley Marco Peereboom wrote: >> I don't think so. We check for this before we buy hardware. > > I'd bet money that you... Loading...
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chefren On 1/9/08 1:49 AM, Steve Shockley wrote: > Marco Peereboom wrote: >>> I don't think so. We check for this before we... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:07:03PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Man you are hard to talk to. You keep making... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:31:16 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > > But what about the different case... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom dropped misc by accident On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:16AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > But what about... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:09:42PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > - vendor A sells hardware that requires... Loading...
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Richard Stallman This has been discussed many times and it shouldn't take long for you or your minions to find out that we do... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:31:11 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > This has been discussed many times >... Loading...
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Dusty-7 equating firmwares with blobs is an RMS-thing, it enables him to destroy the good by comparing it to the... Loading...
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Dusty-7 On Jan 8, 2008 9:07 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > equating firmwares with blobs is an... Loading...
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Dusty-7 On Jan 8, 2008 9:07 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > equating firmwares with blobs is an... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 7, 2008 5:01 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > If I understand that correctly, it means that... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 9, 2008 12:36 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Yes but after your list of recommended OSes and... Loading...
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Tobias Weingartner-3 In gmane.os.openbsd.misc, you wrote: > > If I understand that correctly, it means that OpenBSD does distribute > ... Loading...
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Craig Skinner On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > If I understand that correctly, it means that... Loading...
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Matthew Dempsky-3 On 1/7/08, Craig Skinner <craig.skinner@...> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:11AM -0500, Richard... Loading...
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Lars Hansson-5 On Jan 7, 2008 9:19 PM, Craig Skinner <craig.skinner@...> wrote: > Oh come on now THRUSH!!!!! You really are an... Loading...
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Johan Beisser On Jan 7, 2008, at 3:31 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > If I understand that correctly, it means that OpenBSD does... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 06:31:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > This has been discussed many times > and... Loading...
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L-9 Gilles Chehade wrote: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:09:42PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > >>>> - vendor... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 13:09:42 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > > > - vendor A sells hardware... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino "Gobuntu also has the problem that its name is so close to Ubuntu that people would get them confused. Practically... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino "[...] Linux is not free software". "[...] Linux [...] is on the ok side of the line". Therefore: if there's only... Loading...
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Wijnand Wiersma-3 On Jan 8, 2008 6:47 PM, Andris <adelfino@...> wrote: > But you _do_ recommend _Linux_ even when "Torvalds'... Loading...
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Dave Anderson-4 On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Richard Stallman wrote: > >If OpenBSD does not need my endorsement, then OpenBSD developers >... Loading...
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Dave Anderson-4 On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Richard Stallman wrote: > You've apparently been reading a very different set of responses... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 08:42:08AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Per that interview you are endorsing an OS that... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Thanks. Since you didn't answer soon, and since I did get other info about non-free software needed for OpenSolaris, I... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Thanks. Since you didn't answer soon, and since I did get other info > about non-free software needed for... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Richard, you are too stupid to go and learn FACTS before you open your big fat lying mouth. I am sure the... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Richard, you are too stupid to go and learn FACTS before you open > your big fat lying mouth. > > I am... Loading...
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Sunnz Hello Richard, After reading this thread, I was interested to see what your list recommendation really was, because... Loading...
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Richard Stallman This is the same with your recommended system GNU/Darwin: http://www.gnu-darwin.org/index.php?page=ports ... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > This is the same with your recommended system GNU/Darwin: > > ... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > Thank you for telling me about this problem. I will talk with them > about this ASAP. I expect they will... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/6, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > > Thank you for telling me about this problem. I will talk with... Loading...
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Richard Stallman I don't think OpenBSD users understand what you mean by "recommend non-free software", I explained it... Loading...
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Dave Anderson-4 On Sun, 6 Jan 2008, Richard Stallman wrote: > I don't think OpenBSD users understand what you mean by... Loading...
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Richard Stallman IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when you say "recommend" in this context what you actually mean... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:14:59 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > IMO, a big part of the problem here... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:14:59PM -0500, Richard Salmon wrote: > IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when... Loading...
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Gary Baluha On Jan 7, 2008 12:14 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when... Loading...
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Tom Cosgrove-2 >>> Richard Stallman 7-Jan-08 17:14 >>> > > IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when you say "recommend"... Loading...
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Johan Beisser On Jan 7, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > The evidence of this discussion shows that's not a good... Loading...
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Dave Anderson-4 On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Richard Stallman wrote: > IMO, a big part of the problem here is that when you say "recommend"... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:47:10 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > I don't think OpenBSD users... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/6, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > > so if you could, please, give an example by > ... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > In OpenBSD the recommendation for certain non-free programs > is in the recipes for installing them. ... Loading...
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Oscar Knight Richard Stallman wrote: > My supplying the URL or name of a non-free program's port in OpenBSD > would do no good,... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino On Jan 7, 2008 8:31 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > You have not presented any evidence that there are... Loading...
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guilt On Jan 5, 2008 8:19 PM, Sunnz <sunnzy@...> wrote: > 2008/1/6, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > > > Thank... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:51:33PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 5, 2008 8:19 PM, Sunnz <sunnzy@...>... Loading...
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guilt > On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind our users installing > non free software if it is what they... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: | > On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd Please keep this on-list or out of my mailbox. On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 03:38:43PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: |... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd I repeat : keep this onlist or out of my mailbox. On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 06:16:38PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar... Loading...
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guilt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul de Weerd wrote: > I repeat : keep this onlist or out of my... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 07:42:47PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: | Paul de Weerd wrote: | > I repeat : keep this... Loading...
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guilt > Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the adobe flash player > on your machine (your example a little bit... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 21:52:18 +0530, "Karthik Kumar" <karthikkumar@...> said: > > Perhaps you're *USING* these 4... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 09:52:18PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: | > Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to install the... Loading...
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guilt On Jan 6, 2008 10:41 PM, Paul de Weerd <weerd@...> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 09:52:18PM +0530, Karthik... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Jan 6, 2008, at 9:20, "Karthik Kumar" <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 10:41 PM, Paul de Weerd... Loading...
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guilt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You see, rms? You were right. OpenBSD has lots of trolls who: a.... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 08:56:33AM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 08:56:33AM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: | @Paul: No matter how many fucking emails you send,... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy V. Karthik Kumar wrote: > > You see, rms? You were right. OpenBSD has lots of trolls who: Curious, the contents... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Jan 6, 2008, at 20:02, "Tony Abernethy" <tony@...> wrote: > V. Karthik Kumar wrote: >> >> You see,... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/7, V. Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...>: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You see,... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:50:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: | > You are making an argument that Makefiles are... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:50:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 10:41 PM, Paul de Weerd... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Karthik Kumar wrote: > Okay, I didn't install it. You did install it? You didn't install it? You don't know whether... Loading...
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L-9 Tony Abernethy wrote: > Karthik Kumar wrote: > >> Okay, I didn't install it. >> > You did install it? >... Loading...
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Dusty-7 On Jan 6, 2008 6:22 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > Perhaps you're *USING* these 4 files to... Loading...
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Benoit Chesneau-3 On Jan 6, 2008 3:12 PM, V. Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > Run make install on that directory... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Jan 6, 2008, at 8:07, "Benoit Chesneau" <bchesneau@...> wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 3:12 PM, V. Karthik Kumar... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind... Loading...
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guilt On Jan 5, 2008 11:20 PM, William Boshuck <boshuk@...> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530,... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:39:17PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > Here is one: >... Loading...
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guilt > Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not > allow them to be redistributed with the... Loading...
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L-9 Karthik Kumar wrote: >> Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not >> allow them to be... Loading...
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Janne Johansson-2 L wrote: > Karthik Kumar wrote: >>> Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not >>> allow... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 8, 2008 5:09 PM, Janne Johansson <jan.johansson@...> wrote: > L wrote: > > Karthik Kumar wrote: > >>>... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > Firmware are not free enough when they have a... Loading...
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guilt On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade <gilles@...> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530,... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:13:25PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:04:07AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: > > > See ? This is an example, it is unrelated to... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:13:25PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 6, 2008 1:13 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > So registration form = non-free. > YES!... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/6, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...>: > down your name and address for contact details or whatever. I... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Karthik Kumar wrote: > So registration form = non-free. You failed to prove how it was not > free. Maybe your... Loading...
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Denis Doroshenko On Jan 6, 2008 9:43 AM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade... Loading...
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Jacob Grydholt Jensen (apologies to Karthik who will receive this mail twice) On 05/01/2008, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: >... Loading...
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Rico Secada On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:14:27 +0100 "Jacob Grydholt Jensen" <grydholt@...> wrote: > > You're missing the point... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:39:17PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 5, 2008 11:20 PM, William Boshuck... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 5, 2008 11:20 PM, William Boshuck > <boshuk@...> wrote: > > On Sat, Jan... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind... Loading...
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guilt On Jan 5, 2008 10:56 PM, Gilles Chehade <gilles@...> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:58:47PM +0530, Karthik... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:28:24PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > You are talking about unrelated matters, and mixing... Loading...
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guilt > Then you are misunderstanding OpenBSD's goals which are clearly stated > at the link I provided you and that you... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino Richard, isn't: "Run GNOME in a **VMWare Player** in a Linux virtual machine." Or: "Run GNOME on a virtual... Loading...
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Richard Stallman "Run GNOME in a **VMWare Player** in a Linux virtual machine." Or: "Run GNOME on a virtual machine... Loading...
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Shane J Pearson-2 On 06/01/2008, at 9:47 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Would you be so kind as to tell me the precise URLs where... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino On Jan 6, 2008 7:47 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > "Run GNOME in a **VMWare Player** in a Linux... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > http://torrent.gnome.org/ > > Would you be so kind as to tell me the precise URLs where you >... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino Richard, Linux is not free software, as you have already stated, please change your religion, so users don't get... Loading...
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Jacob Grydholt Jensen On 05/01/2008, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > I use ports. I am not dumb. :P The goals do not... Loading...
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guilt On Jan 6, 2008 1:22 AM, Jacob Grydholt Jensen <grydholt@...> wrote: > On 05/01/2008, Karthik Kumar... Loading...
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chefren Hey young man, On 1/6/08 8:31 AM, Karthik Kumar wrote: > OpenBSD got pwned a year ago with another remote... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 12:52:04PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 1:22 AM, Jacob Grydholt Jensen... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 07:46:42PM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:39:18PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 10:35 PM, Gilles Chehade... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 6, 2008 12:52 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > Secure by default. Ship with nothing and... Loading...
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Johan Beisser On Jan 5, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Karthik Kumar wrote: > Secure by default. Ship with nothing and call it secure. Wow!... Loading...
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Johan Beisser On Jan 5, 2008, at 11:54 PM, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > openvpn 2.0.x is in the ports: not by default. PF is not enabled... Loading...
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Johan Beisser On Jan 6, 2008, at 1:28 AM, Karthik Kumar wrote: >> >> Deliberately ignoring the point doesn't make it any less... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 11:51 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > Then you are misunderstanding OpenBSD's... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > I understand the goals that are not written on that page: do what... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:51:39PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > Then you are misunderstanding OpenBSD's goals which... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:51:39PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > Then you are misunderstanding OpenBSD's goals which... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 11:28 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > I represent neither FSF nor OpenBSD. I... Loading...
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guilt On Jan 6, 2008 12:26 AM, Siju George <sgeorge.ml@...> wrote: > On Jan 5, 2008 11:28 PM, Karthik Kumar... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:28:53AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 12:26 AM, Siju George... Loading...
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guilt > There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of the dumbest > analogies I have ever heard. Who came up... Loading...
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L-9 Karthik Kumar wrote: >> There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of the dumbest >> analogies I have... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom <slash@...> wrote: > There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of... Loading...
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L-9 Karthik Kumar wrote: > It's been a while since I removed links on that page. And > for the information I very much... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 11:28:24PM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > I represent neither FSF nor OpenBSD. I probably... Loading...
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Shane J Pearson-2 On 06/01/2008, at 3:28 AM, Karthik Kumar wrote: >> On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we don't mind our users ... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Shane J Pearson <shane.j.pearson@...> wrote: > On 06/01/2008, at 3:28 AM, Karthik Kumar wrote: > > If you... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 9:58 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > On another hand we are not GNU/GPL and we... Loading...
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guilt > Again this is for RMS. > He does not fix the problem at his end. those are > > 1) Apologize for slandering other... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 1/5/08, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > When I said everybody, I meant Everybody. Not one person.... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 11:24 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > all that the people here do is bitch about... Loading...
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Brian-79 amd64 assembly registers behavior and function calls - Are register values preserved between function calls on amd64? I'm pretty sure they are whipped out on i386, but I'm... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On 1/5/08, Brian <bwaichu@...> wrote: > Are register values preserved between function calls on amd64? I'm... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 11:24 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > When I said everybody, I meant Everybody.... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Siju George wrote: > On Jan 5, 2008 11:24 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > > > When I said... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > Use of non-free software is highly harmful to your > computer and... Loading...
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L-9 Reid Nichol wrote: > --- Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > >> Use of non-free software is highly... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 8:51 PM, Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > Pardon me for intervening: > Its alright... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 1/5/08, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Does ReactOS recommend non-free software? > If so. please show me... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > On 1/5/08, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > Does ReactOS recommend non-free software? > > If so. please... Loading...
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L-9 Free - First Ten To Call B u l l S h i t - On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom <slash@...> wrote: > There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of... Loading...
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Amarendra Godbole On Jan 6, 2008 1:05 PM, L <L@...> wrote: > On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom <slash@...> wrote: > > > There is... Loading...
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L-9 Amarendra Godbole wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 1:05 PM, L <L@...> wrote: > >> On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom... Loading...
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Floor Terra On Jan 6, 2008 12:45 PM, L <L@...> wrote: > Amarendra Godbole wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2008 1:05 PM, L <L@...>... Loading...
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L-9 Floor Terra wrote: > I have no problem problem with name calling but what do you hope to > accomplish by you request... Loading...
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Floor Terra On Jan 6, 2008 7:42 PM, L <L@...> wrote: > Floor Terra wrote: > > I have no problem problem with name calling... Loading...
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L-9 Floor Terra wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 7:42 PM, L <L@...> wrote: > > >> Floor Terra wrote: >> >>> I have... Loading...
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Jacob Grydholt Jensen On 04/01/2008, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > This is the same with your recommended system... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Before you argue that ReactOS is merely a free implementation of Win32 API, let me clarify: if the purpose of... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/5, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > Before you argue that ReactOS is merely a free implementation of... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > In addition, I thought that OpenSolaris was just a kernel, but it > looks like the question had in mind a... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 1/3/08, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > I'm following the same principles that I apply to others. > I've... Loading...
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Richard Stallman I guess I missed the part where you explained how it makes sense to apply a label like "not recommended because... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino On Jan 5, 2008 11:30 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free... Loading...
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Richard Stallman ReactOS is a free software operative system with a support database that indicates which programs it can... Loading...
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Dusty-7 Richard Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? Why are you replying on everybody else to point these... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? My method is to ask other people to do it for me. I use that... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? > > My method is... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? > > My method is to ask other people to do it... Loading...
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chefren On 01/07/08 18:16, Richard Stallman wrote: > When I want research, I ask people to do it. That is efficient, and >... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? > > > ... Loading...
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Dusty-7 On Jan 7, 2008 7:16 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > Why do you use (obviously flawed) research... Loading...
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Marc Balmer Dusty wrote: > WHY, please really, tell me WHY you do not do your own research. Everybody > on this list would LOVE... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 8, 2008 3:10 AM, Marc Balmer <mbalmer@...> wrote: > Dusty wrote: > > > WHY, please really, tell me WHY... Loading...
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Dusty-7 I have had a short term memory problem almost my whole life. I have been on medication because of it. This means I find... Loading...
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fuzzyping On Jan 7, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Dusty wrote: > On Jan 7, 2008 7:16 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > >>>... Loading...
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Steve Shockley Jason Dixon wrote: >> Everybody >> on this list would LOVE to know why you do not do any of your own >>... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 7, 2008 12:44 PM, Reid Nichol <rnichol_rrc@...> wrote: > --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > ... Loading...
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Tobias Weingartner-3 In gmane.os.openbsd.misc, you wrote: > > Why do you use (obviously flawed) research methods? > > My method is to... Loading...
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Marc Espie-2 On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 09:30:09AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > I guess I missed the part where you explained... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free applications to run on > non-free platforms (and say that they... Loading...
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Marc Espie-2 On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 05:47:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > As I've said, I think it's acceptable for... Loading...
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Richard Stallman No, but when you redefine "free" to mean something specific, you redefine your own language. It's normal to... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > No, but when you redefine "free" to mean something specific, you >... Loading...
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Richard Stallman But, when people use the word "free," even within a particular context, anyone would be able to understand what... Loading...
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Alexander Terekhov-3 On Jan 7, 2008 6:15 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: [...] > But, if I'm wrong (which is possible), please... Loading...
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Alexander Terekhov-3 On Jan 8, 2008 8:07 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > This may be *your* "usual interpretation of the... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > But, when people use the word "free," even within a particular > ... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Richard Stallman wrote: > But, if I'm wrong (which is possible), please tell me how I can > statically link a... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:15:59PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > But, when people use the word "free," even... Loading...
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Roberto J. Dohnert Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and the FSF for OpenBSD? When I choose an OS I... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman and the FSF for OpenBSD? If OpenBSD... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:16:04 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > Quick question, do we really need an... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard >... Loading...
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Jan Stary On Jan 08 00:13:19, Reid Nichol wrote: > --- Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > Quick question, do we... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/8, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard Stallman... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:16:04PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Quick question, do we really need an... Loading...
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Matthew Dempsky-3 On 1/7/08, Marco Peereboom <slash@...> wrote: > We only want an apology Richard. You said things about our... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 12:16:04PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Quick question, do we really need an... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 1/7/08, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > If OpenBSD does not need my endorsement, then OpenBSD... Loading...
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Dave Anderson-4 On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Richard Stallman wrote: > Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from Richard... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Richard Stallman wrote: > > If OpenBSD does not need my endorsement, then OpenBSD developers > should not need to... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- "Roberto J. Dohnert" <robertdohnert@...> wrote: > Quick question, do we really need an endorsement from... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Jan 6, 2008, at 22:54, "Roberto J. Dohnert" <robertdohnert@...> wrote: > Quick question, do we really... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Ray Percival wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008, at 22:54, "Roberto J. Dohnert" > <robertdohnert@...> wrote: > > >... Loading...
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Kurt B. Kaiser Richard Stallman <rms@...> writes: > As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free applications to run on >... Loading...
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fuzzyping On Jan 5, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > As I've said, I think it's acceptable for free applications to... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > > In addition, I thought that OpenSolaris was just a kernel, but it > > looks like the question had in mind a... Loading...
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Amarendra Godbole On Jan 4, 2008 10:59 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > In addition, I thought that OpenSolaris was just... Loading...
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Craig Skinner On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 11:02:09AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Richard, you are too stupid to go and learn... Loading...
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Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message [This message was generated by an automated system.] I am not on vacation, but I am at the end of a long time delay. ... Loading...
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David Vasek On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message wrote: > [This message was generated by an automated... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/4, David Vasek <vasek@...>: > > Sounds like he is hiding somewhere in Tora Bora. > > Regards, >... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 1, 2008 4:28 AM, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...> wrote: > > Richard, since you are a hypocrite who... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 05:30:47PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Thanks. Since you didn't answer soon, and since I... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off and endorse OpenSolaris without knowing the facts. You get... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 2, 2008 2:54 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off and... Loading...
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Richard Stallman In fact many of the people did expect this when you favorite organization lost the battle publically on Reyk's... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 3, 2008 3:20 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > In fact many of the people did expect this when you... Loading...
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Richard Stallman http://directory.fsf.org/project/Windows32API/ http://directory.fsf.org/project/wxwindows/ ... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 11:25 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > http://directory.fsf.org/project/Windows32API/ > ... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Developing a program ( real software ) for a non-free platform is big encouragement by loud communication (... Loading...
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chefren On 1/6/08 9:28 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > Providing a recipe to install a non-free program is very direct and >... Loading...
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L-9 Richard Stallman wrote: > Developing a program ( real software ) for a non-free platform is big > ... Loading...
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guilt On Jan 6, 2008 1:39 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Developing a program ( real software ) for a... Loading...
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Richard Stallman By the way ( Perhaps, I don't know which ) some of the free drivers that Gnuisance has were made possible only... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Richard Stallman wrote: > > I appreciate the work that OpenBSD has done in this area. > It is an important... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > I appreciate the work that OpenBSD has done in this area. > It is an important contribution to our... Loading...
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Richard Stallman My favorite organization, the FSF, was not involved. If > any of "my friends" were involved, they did not... Loading...
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Rubén González Arnau-2 Why don't you tell us about emacs and gcc as Theo said? If you don't want to answer nothing new here Don't feed... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 3, 2008 10:28 PM, Ruben Gonzalez Arnau <ruben@...> wrote: > Why don't you tell us about emacs and... Loading...
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Richard Stallman The "wget" he uses is worse. You can download any non-free software with it and it does not warn the user... Loading...
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Lars Hansson-5 On Jan 5, 2008 1:54 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > The "wget" he uses is worse. > You can... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 11:24 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > The "wget" he uses is worse. > You can... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 1/3/08, Siju George <sgeorge.ml@...> wrote: > > The "wget" he uses is worse. > You can download any non-free... Loading...
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Mayuresh Kathe Mr. Stallman, I respect you for what you've managed to achieve as an individual. But, frankly, this thread has really... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:19:38PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > Nobody out here is going to listen to what you're... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:02:40PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:19:38PM +0530,... Loading...
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Michael Schmidt-3 Mayuresh Kathe schrieb: > Mr. Stallman, > ... > Nobody out here is going to listen to what you're going to... Loading...
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dereck > Hello Mayuresh, > > a possible reason can be that he is thinking "Some > of it might stick". Not likely. Go... Loading...
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Allie Daneman Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > Mr. Stallman, I respect you for what you've managed to achieve as an individual. > > But,... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 04:24:06PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off and endorse OpenSolaris > without knowing the facts. You get... Loading...
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Richard Stallman What is an operating system? An OS could be considered an "application", You could consider an OS an... Loading...
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Marc Balmer Richard Stallman wrote: > What is an operating system? An OS could be considered an "application", > > You could... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Didn't you do that right from the start when you came to our lists to post the wrong conclusions you draw... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:18:10 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > Didn't you do that right from the... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Richard Stallman wrote: > That is not what happened. I stated an accurate conclusion based on > recent research. I... Loading...
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Richard Stallman As long as this thread has been running, the only plausible reasons I can think of for you not to repeat your... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom Alberto Gonzalez is that you? On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 11:18:10PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Didn't you... Loading...
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Jacob Yocom-Piatt-2 Marco Peereboom wrote: > Alberto Gonzalez is that you? > > at least in this case the excuse is somewhat... Loading...
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L-9 Richard Stallman wrote: > What is an operating system? An OS could be considered an "application", > > You could... Loading...
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Reid Nichol --- Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 1:06 AM, Reid Nichol <rnichol_rrc@...>... Loading...
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Duncan Patton a Campbell On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:28:39 -0800 (PST) Reid Nichol <rnichol_rrc@...> wrote: > Well OpenBSD is fine here. ... Loading...
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j4nKy On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:39:35PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:28:39 -0800 (PST) >... Loading...
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Duncan Patton a Campbell On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 06:44:48 +0000 Jacob Meuser <jakemsr@...> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at... Loading...
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j4nKy On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 05:55:52AM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 06:44:48 +0000 > Jacob... Loading...
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Reid Nichol Stay on list or stay out of my inbox. --- Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > > > > > On a more... Loading...
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Reid Nichol Stay on list or stay out of my inbox. --- Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> wrote: > On Jan 6, 2008 7:23 AM,... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Karthik Kumar wrote: > > > No. It is a reply to someone who said it was not the money. > about the money??? ---... Loading...
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Stuart VanZee > From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:53 AM > To: Openbsd Misc (E-mail) > Subject:... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: > Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game,... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500,... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:34:24PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: > It would be nice if people would stop defending non... Loading...
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L-9 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:34:24PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: > >> It would be... Loading...
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Sunnz Hmmm Mr. Stallman is this your home page: stallman.org I was a bit curious about what would someone who reads... Loading...
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Richard Stallman I was a bit curious about what would someone who reads web-sites by using a wget daemon through e-mails whose... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 11:24 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > I was a bit curious about what would someone who... Loading...
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Richard Stallman BUT I WILL STILL GO ON SPREADING THE LIE THAT OpenBSD CONTAINS NON-FREE SOFTWARE SO PEOPLE ARE MISLEAD!!!! I... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 5, 2008 11:24 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > This continues the pattern of straw men. Over and... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/5, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > I was a bit curious about what would someone who reads web-sites by > ... Loading...
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Denis Doroshenko On Jan 5, 2008 7:54 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Apache httpd 2.0.54 ((Debian GNU/Linux) DAV/2... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:09:16 +0200, Denis Doroshenko wrote: >On Jan 5, 2008 7:54 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...>... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy keeps objecting that he doesn't object. Loading...
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Denis Doroshenko that's right, it's there! eh, Richard, my mom told me once that it is the best thing to tell truth, even when the... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:08:12PM -0700, L wrote: > That is an insult! Why are you being so mean to Marco? Right,... Loading...
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Sunnz 2008/1/4, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...>: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 07:08:12PM -0700, L wrote: > > That is an... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom Re-adding RMS. On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:34:24PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On 1/3/08, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...> wrote: > He didn't say OpenBSD was non-free, but that it distributed... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500,... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:23:21PM -0500, William Boshuck wrote: > Richard Stallman referred to certain URLs in certain... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 06:30:44PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 01:23:21PM -0500,... Loading...
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Tobias Ulmer nostromo:tobiasu$ for x in ">blahblah" STFU. KTHXBYE; do banner $x; done # # ##### # ## # # ... Loading...
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Stuart VanZee > From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:48 PM > To: Openbsd Misc (E-mail) > Subject:... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove rms@... from the cc's of your messages. If you are going... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 4, 2008 1:03 AM, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...> wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:15:08PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 1:03 AM, Theo de Raadt... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...> wrote: > > Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:26:12PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...> wrote: > What I find even more hysterical is your lack... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:49:45PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 2:31 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra... Loading...
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Johan Mson Lindman Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:49:45PM -0800, Ted Unangst wrote: > >> On Jan 4, 2008... Loading...
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L-9 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > Neither do you > > that's insulting. Loading...
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L-9 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> know what proprietary means. if you don't >> understand the big words, stop using... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 Re: Real men don't attack straw men - On Jan 4, 2008, at 14:26, "Ted Unangst" <ted.unangst@...> wrote: > On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva... Loading...
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Siju George On Jan 4, 2008 2:52 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 02:15:08PM +0530, Siju... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 05:44:59PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > :-) that was to the guy who called you a troll right? >... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino Rui, I kindly ask you to not remove Richards's e-mail, since he is as interested as everyone else who follows this... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:33:26PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove... Loading...
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miod > > Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys remove rms@... > > from the cc's of your messages. > > FYI,... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:00:55PM +0000, Miod Vallat wrote: > > > Rui Miguel Silva is continually making you guys... Loading...
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miod > > > FYI, I continually remove people from the CC on mailing-list posts. > > > > Yet you have no idea whether these... Loading...
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Karl Sjodahl - dunceor-2 On Jan 4, 2008 9:14 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:00:55PM +0000, Miod... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Karl Sjodahl - dunceor wrote: > This is a unmoderated list and unsubscribed... Loading...
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Karl Sjodahl - dunceor-2 On Jan 4, 2008 10:51 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 09:56:03AM +0100, Karl... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:33:26PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Rui Miguel Silva is... Loading...
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Chris Eidem -----Original Message----- From: owner-misc@... [mailto:owner-misc@...] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday,... Loading...
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Tom Van Looy-2 Hi About the ports tree, maybe you are right and OpenBSD should go kick out the possibly 50 ports that you have a... Loading...
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m brandenberg Watching the latest flame war, I can't help thinking that as founders of their respective projects Theo and RMS are... Loading...
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StrongBad mcb, inc. wrote: > Watching the latest flame war, I can't help thinking that as > founders of their respective... Loading...
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j4nKy On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 01:49:19PM -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > mcb, inc. wrote: > >Watching the latest flame war, I... Loading...
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Richard Stallman his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as a "problem", a "social failure". If some people think that,... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Richard Stallman wrote: > recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the > GPL community thinks... Loading...
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Richard Stallman You *can't relicense* code under your choice without the author consent period! That BSD license gives... Loading...
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Alexander Terekhov-3 On Dec 14, 2007 9:49 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > You *can't relicense* code under your choice... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Richard Stallman wrote: > You *can't relicense* code under your choice without the author consent > ... Loading...
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Benjamin M. A'Lee-2 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 06:47:40PM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: >> You *can't relicense*... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > > Yes, I grant you the right to use my software in any application you may > > write and make money with, but I *DO... Loading...
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Benjamin M. A'Lee-2 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:06:35PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Yes, I grant you the right to use my software in... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom I honestly don't think if you get Theo's email that there is any hope for you but let me try to add to it. First... Loading...
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Kent Watsen Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote: > They're not required to make their changes available. They're required > to acknowledge... Loading...
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Breen Ouellette Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote: > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:06:35PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> That's bullshit. ... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > > * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without > > * modification, are permitted provided... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > And the GPLv3? He was the puppet that sold it, but the text was > mostly written by a bunch of lawyers who will take... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 14, 2007 8:51 PM, Benjamin M. A'Lee <bma+lists@...> wrote: > If you use a BSD licence, you are... Loading...
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Marti Martinez On Dec 14, 2007 1:49 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > The concept of relicensing does not imply changing or... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > On Dec 14, 2007 1:49 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > The concept of relicensing does not imply changing... Loading...
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Jonathan Gray On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:41PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Another message raised the question of what... Loading...
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Sam Fourman Jr. > The concept of relicensing does not imply changing or adding code, and > the legality of relicensing doesn't depend... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy I don't think relicense means what you think it does. If I were to relicense emacs under a Microsoft license that would... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 12/14/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > whether that involves changes to the code. When I say... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom This is illegal. Repeating it over and over again will not make it so. On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:41PM -0500,... Loading...
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Benjamin M. A'Lee-2 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:59:08PM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: >> recently we saw theft... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:59:08PM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote: >> Richard Stallman... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as... Loading...
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Matthew Dempsky-3 On 12/13/07, Marco Peereboom <slash@...> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > If such an issue arises for a GNU package, and... Loading...
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Nick Guenther On 12/13/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the >... Loading...
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StrongBad Jacob Meuser wrote: > his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as a "problem", a > "social failure". > In... Loading...
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j4nKy On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 05:11:25PM -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Jacob Meuser wrote: > >his absolutism also causes... Loading...
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StrongBad Jacob Meuser wrote: > the > README.libcdio file in the libcdio sources mentions this file and > says it can't be... Loading...
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Richard Stallman OpenBSD "refuses to accept it's users being forced into depending on vendor binaries" and pushes people to... Loading...
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Johan SANCHEZ Hi all, > OpenBSD "refuses to accept it's users being forced into depending on > vendor binaries" and pushes people... Loading...
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Stuart VanZee >From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra >Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:03 AM >To: misc@... >Subject: Re: Real... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:38:08AM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: > >From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra > > > >He's not... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > [blablabla] > > Since I'm (at least)... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +0000, Rui Miguel... Loading...
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L-9 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:22:35AM -0700, L wrote: > Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom > This list is actually the first place I read of widespread use of GCC > for making proprietary software. Since so... Loading...
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L-9 Marco Peereboom wrote: >> This list is actually the first place I read of widespread use of GCC >> for making... Loading...
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L-9 L wrote: > >>> GCC for ms WIndows does not even REQUIRE thinking first. Everyone >>> knows GCC is a great Windows... Loading...
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L-9 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >> le that have an OpenBSD CD to install the OS have the chance to use >> MORE free... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 04:50:27PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600,... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:40:47AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 04:50:27PM +0000, Rui Miguel... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 > That is an OpenBSD site which has software, like for instance > zangband, > which is proprietary You keep... Loading...
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Unix Fan Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >I'm not talking about the CVS tree, I'm talking about > >... Loading...
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Nils.Reuvers Watch your blood pressure there Stuart. -----Original Message----- From: "Stuart... Loading...
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Roberto J. Dohnert Re: Real Men Don't attack straw men - While reading this thread the course it has taken really surprises me. I dont agree with Richards take on OpenBSD. I... Loading...
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Steve Shockley Richard Stallman wrote: > Since I consider non-free software to be unethical and antisocial, I > think it would be... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Is the list at: http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions the list of operating... Loading...
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Marcus Andree Sir, please check my inline comments. On 12/11/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Is the list at: > ... Loading...
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Richard Stallman So, an operating system can born "free" (free as in speech, in the GNU sense) and then, become "non-free" just... Loading...
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Marc Espie-2 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 03:37:31AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > However, if distribution D includes this "easier... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Users have responsability for what they do. We do not take responsability for them. We give them enough... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Users have responsability for what they do. We do not take responsability > for them. We give them enough... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Since both emacs and gcc contain code inside them which permit them to compile and run on commercial operating... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Since both emacs and gcc contain code inside them which permit them to > compile and run on commercial... Loading...
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Rico Secada Re: Real men don't attack straw men (Theo) - > > I see you are being your usual friendly self ;-}. > > Yes, and you are being the usual slimy hypocritical... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > > > I see you are being your usual friendly self ;-}. > > > > Yes, and you are being the usual slimy hypocritical... Loading...
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StrongBad Play Nice - Real men don't attack straw men (Theo) - Theo de Raadt wrote: > EVERYTHING code related that people thinks comes from the FSF today, > comes to us without... Loading...
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Iñigo Tejedor Arrondo-2 El sC!b, 15-12-2007 a las 09:57 -0700, Jack J. Woehr escribiC3: > I profoundly respect both of you and know you both... Loading...
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StrongBad IC1igo Tejedor Arrondo wrote: > El sC!b, 15-12-2007 a las 09:57 -0700, Jack J. Woehr escribiC3: > > >> I... Loading...
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Darrin Chandler On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:32:19AM -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > I do, too. I like them both. I want them to stop... Loading...
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Bengt Frost On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:31:25PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:32:19AM -0700, Jack J.... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Bengt Frost wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:31:25PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > > Finally as long as i... Loading...
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j4nKy David H. Lynch Jr. abuses others' real life sufferings in flamewars - On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:56:43PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Bengt Frost wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Re: flamewars - Jacob Meuser wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:56:43PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > >> Bengt Frost... Loading...
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j4nKy On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:15:58PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: thanks for reminding me to donate! --... Loading...
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j4nKy On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 03:54:16AM +0000, Jacob Meuser wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:15:58PM -0500, David H.... Loading...
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Mayuresh Kathe You're on SDF? How's SDF doing now-a-days? On Dec 21, 2007 9:24 AM, Jacob Meuser <jakemsr@...>... Loading...
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Sam Fourman Jr. On Dec 15, 2007 10:56 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > Bengt Frost wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 10:56 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > >> Bengt Frost... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On 12/16/07, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: > > On Dec 15, 2007 10:56 PM, David... Loading...
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Lars D. Noodén David wins that round. >>> David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: >>> If I wrote a a BSD Licensed program to... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 16, 2007, at 9:29 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: >> On Dec 15, 2007 10:56 PM, David... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom You can use OpenBSD to build a baby mulcher or a nookyoular weapon and you have the choice to retain the source... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Marco Peereboom wrote: > You can use OpenBSD to build a baby mulcher or a nookyoular weapon and > you have the choice... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 16, 2007, at 11:58 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Marco Peereboom wrote: >> You can use OpenBSD to build a... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Ray Percival wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 11:58 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > >> Marco Peereboom wrote: >>> You... Loading...
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Firas Kraiem-3 On Sunday 16 December 2007 23:24:48 David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Ray Percival wrote: > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 11:58 AM,... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Firas Kraiem wrote: > > However, and that's the difference with people like you (and RMS), they > just consider that... Loading...
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Sam Fourman Jr. > The OpenBSD group chose to take that as a deliberately spiteful > missle targeting them. Richard *did* send an... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 17, 2007 3:11 AM, Sam Fourman Jr. <sfourman@...> wrote: > > The OpenBSD group chose to take that as a... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:15:25 -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > The OpenBSD group chose to take that as a... Loading...
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bofh-6 To copy someone else's treatment of one of my mails... :) On Dec 17, 2007 1:15 AM, David H. Lynch Jr.... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 05:24:48PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > That's fine, it is a statement of values and... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Marco Peereboom wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 05:24:48PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > >> That's fine, it... Loading...
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Reid Nichol Richard, I have followed this thread for the first couple hundred mails. But, as the noise is getting to much for... Loading...
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Richard Stallman As your views on open-source have become more and more extreme over time, you have become less and less... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:20:19PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Marco Peereboom wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 16, 2007... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Marco Peereboom wrote: >> >> I am not changing the meaning of words, for the most part I am taking >> your words,... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom > > I don't hate RMS or GNU or GPL etc. I find them silly at best but that > > is besides the point. Point is that... Loading...
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chefren On 12/17/07 8:25 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > OpenBSD took insult where there was none This discussion is... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:20:19 -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: >So if I write a non-free insecure kernel and install... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Rod Whitworth wrote: > You wrote about a port of a program designed to mailbomb Jewish sites. > That was an... Loading...
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Firas Kraiem-3 On Monday 17 December 2007 03:44:39 Rod Whitworth wrote: > On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:20:19 -0500, David H. Lynch Jr.... Loading...
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marina-25 David: Do you even use OpenBSD ? I've been using it for many many years. What stake do you have in this discussion... Loading...
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Douglas A. Tutty On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 09:20:19PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > So if I write a non-free insecure kernel and... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:20 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Marco Peereboom wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 16, 2007, at 2:24 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Ray Percival wrote: >> >> On Dec 16, 2007, at 11:58 AM,... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Ray Percival wrote: >>> >>> >>> But software which OpenBSD uses and redistributes must be free to all >>> (be they... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 16, 2007, at 5:52 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Ray Percival wrote: > You believe in absolute freedom -... Loading...
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chefren On 12/17/07 4:42 AM, Ray Percival wrote: > Who wants to deny Stallman the freedom to do anything he wants? He has >... Loading...
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Lars Hansson-5 On 12/17/07, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > Yet you are seeking to deny the same freedom to Richard and... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 05:24:48PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Ray Percival wrote: [quoting and excerpt from ... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. William Boshuck wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 05:24:48PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > >> Ray Percival... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:27:21 -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: >Regardless, apply it to ports and remove non-free... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 16, 2007, at 6:27 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > William Boshuck wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On 12/16/07, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > It is also inconsistent with providing URL's to software... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 02:58:10PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Marco Peereboom wrote: > > You can use OpenBSD... Loading...
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Bengt Frost On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:56:43PM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Bengt Frost wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 12/15/07, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > If I wrote a a BSD Licensed program to mailbomb... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Darrin Chandler wrote: > > I judge people less by how much they agree with my own views than by how > they adhere to... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > EVERYTHING code related that people thinks comes from the FSF today, > > comes to us... Loading...
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Darren Spruell On Dec 15, 2007 10:36 AM, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...> wrote: > > Richard is the face that launched a... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Although I'm sure it's convenient for most of the world to think that free software and open source originated... Loading...
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Floor Terra On Dec 16, 2007 8:35 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Although I'm sure it's convenient for most of the... Loading...
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Richard Stallman 2) If supporting non-free software is bad, What I object to is referring people to non-free software as... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 12:21:44PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > 2) If supporting non-free software is bad, >... Loading...
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StrongBad Theo de Raadt wrote: > Richard seperated us out. Jack, don't go telling me that we may not > rail against Richard... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Richard seperated us out. Jack, don't go telling me that we may not > > rail against... Loading...
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StrongBad Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Well, no, you may. The problem is when two people sling poop on each other, >> sooner or later... Loading...
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L-9 Jack J. Woehr wrote: >>> Well, no, you may. The problem is when two people sling poop on each >>> other, >>> sooner... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:08:16 -0700, "L" <l@...> said: > Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >>> Well, no, you may. The problem... Loading...
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Richard Stallman No No NO. You miss the point. GNU is fighting for their view of freedom. Not *real* freedom. The GNU... Loading...
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Steve Shockley Richard Stallman wrote: > The GNU Project campaigns to give software users these two essential > freedoms and two... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > Requirement 2: the requirement to distribute exact copies to others > Requirement 3: the requirement to... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 12:22:11PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Requirement 2: the requirement to distribute... Loading...
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chefren On 12/16/07 9:20 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > No No NO. You miss the point. GNU is fighting for their view > ... Loading...
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Lars D. Noodén chefren wrote: > If a programmer has a bright idea he should be able to choose to give it > away or make money with... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 01:42:53PM +0200, Lars Nood??n wrote: > chefren wrote: > > If a programmer has a bright idea... Loading...
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Stuart Henderson On 2007/12/17 13:42, Lars Noodin wrote: > > When the BSDTalk interview was posted, it was brought up that the... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. L wrote: > > For about 5 years now I've been looking for an operating system that > doesn't have the whole freedom of... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 12:11:16AM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > L wrote: > > > > For about 5 years now I've... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 08:01:53AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 12:11:16AM -0500, David H.... Loading...
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Ryan Flannery On Dec 15, 2007 3:08 PM, L <l@...> wrote: > Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >>> Well, no, you may. The problem is when two... Loading...
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StrongBad Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote: >> >> How is this my fault? >> Theo has made it clear to me in... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Theo de Raadt wrote: >> >>> Richard seperated us out. Jack, don't go telling me that we... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom Can you share some of them drugs you are on? This is some good shit. On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 02:13:24AM -0500,... Loading...
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bofh-6 The chinese have this phrase "the flames cover the eyes". I think uninterested 3rd parties who're shown a copy of... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Each of us should judge Richard according to his own standards, > words and... Loading...
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Pieter Verberne On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 10:49:12AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > Richard seperated us... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Well, no, you may. The problem is when two people sling poop on each other, sooner or later it ends, and then... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom I feel personally attacked by your uneducated comments. I feel personally insulted by your by your condescending tone.... Loading...
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Richard Stallman I feel personally attacked by your uneducated comments. I feel personally insulted by your by your... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 12:22:16PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > I feel personally attacked by your uneducated... Loading...
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StrongBad Theo de Raadt wrote: > > I was not inspired by him, but by Chris Torek, Keith Bostic, and Mike > Karels, Heroes of... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Rod Whitworth wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:29:43 -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > > >> The NVIDIA binary... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:32:37 -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: >Rod Whitworth wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:29:43... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Jack J. Woehr <jwoehr@...> [2007-12-15 09:57:01]: > Now now. Order. > > Richard is the face... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Rico Secada wrote: > > I used to respect you a lot Theo but that respect has been > lost because > of this ugly... Loading...
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fuzzyping On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Tony Abernethy wrote: > Rico Secada wrote: >> >> I used to respect you a lot Theo but... Loading...
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Han Boetes Theo de Raadt wrote: > Yes, and you are being the usual slimy hypocritical asshole. ... > You treat these issues... Loading...
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Gilbert Fernandes-4 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:07PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Thus, the risk of leading people to use a... Loading...
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Douglas A. Tutty BSD vs Debian [Was: Re: Real men don't attack straw men] - On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 03:36:21AM +0000, Gilbert Fernandes wrote: > Where I work right now, we have bsd and debian... Loading...
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bofh-6 The reasons I've are: Need to support commercial packages Linux is more mainstream Debian has a maintenance program... Loading...
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Lars D. Noodén bofh wrote: > The reasons I've are: > > Need to support commercial packages > Linux is more mainstream > Debian... Loading...
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Ingo Schwarze Re: BSD vs Debian - Lars Noodin wrote on Mon, Dec 17, 2007 at 07:14:41PM +0200: > However, since OpenBSD is a small project and to stay... Loading...
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Gilbert Fernandes-4 On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 01:10:54PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > > Where I work right now, we have bsd and debian... Loading...
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marina-25 On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: > On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 03:36:21AM +0000, Gilbert Fernandes... Loading...
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Constantine A. Murenin On 14/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > There is a big practical difference between making a free... Loading...
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Iñigo Tejedor Arrondo-2 El vie, 14-12-2007 a las 15:49 -0500, Richard Stallman escribiC3: > Since both emacs and gcc contain code inside... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:49:07 -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: >There is a big practical difference between making a... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 12/14/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: ... > People already know about non-free systems such as Windows,... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 14, 2007 5:44 PM, Gregg Reynolds <dev@...> wrote: > On 12/14/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...>... Loading...
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David Vasek On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Since both emacs and gcc contain code inside them which permit them to >... Loading...
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Tom Rosso On Dec 13, 2007 9:51 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > You cannot claim the credit for "letting" them,... Loading...
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Richard Stallman And for all those people who keep trying to say that OpenBSD doesn't support ports - we do. If we put it out,... Loading...
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ropers On 14/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > I don't think it is > bad that GCC can compile a non-free... Loading...
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Leonardo Rodrigues > The ports system may contain a general facility which could build and > install any program. (I don't know if it... Loading...
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Tom Rosso On Dec 13, 2007 12:30 PM, bofh <goodb0fh@...> wrote: > But - seriously, as a project, do we need the validation... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:50:39PM -0700, Tom Rosso wrote: > On Dec 13, 2007 12:30 PM, bofh <goodb0fh@...>... Loading...
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Rodrigo V. Raimundo On Wednesday 12 December 2007 06:37, Richard Stallman wrote: > However, if distribution D includes this "easier way to... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > However, if distribution D includes this "easier way to install" in > its ports system, by doing so... Loading...
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Stuart Henderson On 2007/12/13 11:51, Richard Stallman wrote: > I'm talking about something else: what the system distro suggests >... Loading...
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Jason Beaudoin This is what I've learned - and how my perspective has changed - In following this thread, over the last two days: ... Loading...
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guilt Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call OpenBSD hypocritical: say no to blobs (it's even on the... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> [2007-12-14 05:02:45]: > Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call... Loading...
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guilt If the confusion regarding whether such a flash player exists at... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom Who cares? Opera is also in pots, who cares? I am sure we have more of those things in there. It's exactly the same... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom I am not arguing; you are. On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:43:40AM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Karthik Kumar <karthikkumar@...> [2007-12-14 21:35:57]: > If the confusion regarding whether such a flash... Loading...
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Deanna Phillips-2 Karthik Kumar writes: > If the confusion regarding whether such a flash player exists at all: >... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:35:57 +0530, "Karthik Kumar" <karthikkumar@...> said: > If the confusion regarding... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Travers Buda wrote: > * David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> [2007-12-14 14:39:49]: >> >> Put away the licenses and... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> [2007-12-15 13:27:26]: > Travers Buda wrote: > > * David H. Lynch Jr.... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:02:45AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: > Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 Sorry Karthik but I prefer to keep misc@ cc-ed as it is archived and people will later be able to know that you are a... Loading...
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Michael Spratt Bind port for bind/dmz - I have a question, I'm trying to recompile a flavor of bind but I can't find the port because its part of the base... Loading...
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Unix Fan "Michael Spratt" wrote: >I have a question, I'm trying to recompile a flavor of bind but I can't find > the port... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom How interesting,... *NOT* Flash is about the worst thing that has ever happened to the internet. I as a user do not... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:02:45 +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: >Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call OpenBSD... Loading...
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Ingo Schwarze Stuart Henderson wrote on Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 06:43:00PM +0000: > On 2007/12/13 11:51, Richard Stallman wrote: >>... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > > However, if distribution D includes this "easier way to install" in > > its ports system, by doing so... Loading...
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Marcus Andree On 12/12/07, Rodrigo V. Raimundo <spyro@...> wrote: > On Wednesday 12 December 2007 06:37, Richard Stallman... Loading...
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Marti Martinez On Dec 12, 2007 10:25 AM, Marcus Andree <marcusandree@...> wrote: > A possible solution would be to... Summary... Loading...
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StrongBad On Dec 12, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Marti Martinez wrote: > Summary of this thread: RMS doesn't support OpenBSD. > > Where... Loading...
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Mattieu Baptiste-2 On Dec 12, 2007 9:37 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > If "some users" write a way to "ease... Loading...
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Richard Stallman gNewSense uses the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel facilitates utilization of non-free blobs. gNewSense does... Loading...
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Mattieu Baptiste-2 On Dec 13, 2007 5:52 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > gNewSense uses the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel... Loading...
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Richard Stallman "However, if distribution D includes this "easier way to install" in its ports system, by doing so distribution... Loading...
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j4nKy On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:05PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > I'm not talking about any and > all things that... Loading...
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ropers On 15/12/2007, Jacob Meuser <jakemsr@...> wrote: > do you give a no-recommendation to the internet as... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. ropers wrote: > On 15/12/2007, Jacob Meuser <jakemsr@...> wrote: > >> do you give a no-recommendation... Loading...
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marina-25 On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, ropers wrote: > On 15/12/2007, Jacob Meuser <jakemsr@...> wrote: >> do you give a... Loading...
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Douglas A. Tutty UUCP to mars - On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 03:55:59AM -0500, marina@... wrote: > Email and web via UUCP ? I see it making a big... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@...> [2007-12-15 09:04:07]: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 03:55:59AM -0500,... Loading...
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Floor Terra On Dec 15, 2007 8:56 PM, Travers Buda <traversbuda@...> wrote: > * Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@...>... Loading...
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Michael Spratt I guess the drivers for that will be implimented in like OpenBSD V 16.5 or so. QID (quantum interface device) or... Loading...
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ropers On 15/12/2007, Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@...> wrote: > > By the time the US gets to Mars, we'll have quantum... Loading...
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Mattieu Baptiste-2 On Dec 14, 2007 9:49 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > Could you tell me the name of that facility, or... Loading...
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Firas Kraiem-3 On Saturday 15 December 2007 21:37:37 Mattieu Baptiste wrote: > This is to me simply pathetic that you don't admit all... Loading...
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Kimi Ostro Please can we stop this thread? hasn't this gone on long enough already? :( -- Kimi Loading...
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Mattieu Baptiste-2 On Dec 15, 2007 11:11 PM, Firas Kraiem <firas@...> wrote: > On Saturday 15 December 2007 21:37:37... Loading...
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Firas Kraiem-3 On Saturday 15 December 2007 23:27:25 Mattieu Baptiste wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 11:11 PM, Firas Kraiem... Loading...
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Mattieu Baptiste-2 On Dec 15, 2007 11:46 PM, Firas Kraiem <firas@...> wrote: > > So what ? Are you telling me that, just... Loading...
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Firas Kraiem-3 On Saturday 15 December 2007 23:50:38 Mattieu Baptiste wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 11:46 PM, Firas Kraiem... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 15, 2007 3:37 PM, Mattieu Baptiste <mattieu.b@...> wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 9:49 PM, Richard Stallman... Loading...
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Mattieu Baptiste-2 On Dec 15, 2007 11:17 PM, bofh <goodb0fh@...> wrote: > > You do realize he has been criticizing most linux... Loading...
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Tom Rosso On Dec 14, 2007 1:49 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > ...I don't > criticize general facilities merely... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > On Dec 14, 2007 1:49 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > > ...I don't > > criticize general facilities... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 14, 2007 3:49 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Could you tell me the name of that facility, or... Loading...
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Jacob Yocom-Piatt-2 Mattieu Baptiste wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 9:37 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > >> If "some users"... Loading...
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Andrés Delfino To: list Richard's words are the essence of the Free Software Foundation and the GNU General Public License: people... Loading...
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Richard Stallman As a last question. Will gNewSense become "non-free" if I start a "ports-like" software install package project... Loading...
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ropers On 12/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > As a last question. Will gNewSense become "non-free" if I... Loading...
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Richard Stallman However, it is trivially easy to use the gNewSense apt system to install unfree software. Any... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:52:01 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > However, it is trivially easy to use... Loading...
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Richard Stallman It's total BS. If you don't want to pay for software, fine don't, but don't go on some religious crusade trying... Loading...
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Chris Zakelj Richard Stallman wrote: > When you buy a copy of a non-free program, you pay with your money and > with your freedom. ... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 14, 2007 7:11 PM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: > How, pray tell, would purchasing and using this... Loading...
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Chris Zakelj bofh wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 7:11 PM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: > >> How, pray tell, would... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 15, 2007 1:26 AM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: > bofh wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2007 7:11 PM, Chris... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:25:40 -0500, "bofh" <goodb0fh@...> said: > On Dec 15, 2007 1:26 AM, Chris Zakelj... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 15, 2007 2:37 PM, Eric Furman <ericfurman@...> wrote: > You are wrong. This thread *is* about personal... Loading...
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Chris Zakelj bofh wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 1:26 AM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: > >> bofh wrote: >> >>> On... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 15, 2007 11:04 AM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: > stupid. Shut up." In case you missed it, this... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:14:15 -0500, "bofh" <goodb0fh@...> said: > On Dec 15, 2007 11:04 AM, Chris Zakelj... Loading...
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Chris Zakelj bofh wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 11:04 AM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: > >> stupid. Shut up." In case... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 15, 2007 11:19 AM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: > Agreed. But what he has (apparently) said is that... Loading...
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Chris Zakelj bofh wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 11:19 AM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: > >> Agreed. But what he has... Loading...
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Pekka Niiranen-2 Chris Zakelj wrote: > bofh wrote: >> On Dec 15, 2007 11:04 AM, Chris Zakelj <c.zakelj@...> wrote: >> >>>... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:49:22 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > It's total BS. If you don't want to... Loading...
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ropers On 12/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > If your install package has ports for non-free software, then it... Loading...
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Iñigo Tejedor Arrondo-2 2007/12/12, ropers <ropers@...>: [...] > that there is a ports.tar.gz file on the CD. > > HOWEVER, that... Loading...
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michael hamerski-2 Mine is more free than yours is usually a pointless discussion, even more so when the participants cannot even agree on... Loading...
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ropers On 12/12/2007, ropers <ropers@...> wrote: > On 12/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > As a... Loading...
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Marcus Andree On 12/12/07, ropers <ropers@...> wrote: > On 12/12/2007, ropers <ropers@...> wrote: > > On 12/12/2007,... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Well, it seems that we have the following pattern: - gNewSense, if someone finds a non-free program in it,... Loading...
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Steve Shockley Richard Stallman wrote: > ISTR LAME is free software, but I will double-check. The source code of LAME is licensed... Loading...
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Richard Stallman From license.txt in the unrar source archive: ----- The UnRAR sources may be used in any software to... Loading...
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cronopios Please notice that there are two different unrar implementations: * The license.txt that Steve Shockley quoted... Loading...
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Richard Stallman LAME is free software, but distributing it may be dangerous. I do not criticize those who distribute it. Meanwhile,... Loading...
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Mayuresh Kathe Good people of MISC land, could we please drop this thread, its lasted way longer than really needed. RMS has his... Loading...
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Tom Rosso On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <kathe.mayuresh@...> wrote: > Good people of MISC land, could we... Loading...
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Greg Thomas-3 On Dec 13, 2007 10:58 AM, Tom Rosso <tom.rosso@...> wrote: > On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe... Loading...
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Michael Shalayeff-2 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:58:51AM -0700, Tom Rosso wrote: > On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe... Loading...
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Jacob Yocom-Piatt-2 perhaps using pcc as a gcc replacement in openbsd doesn't settle well with rms and this is all a smokescreen? this... Loading...
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Richard Stallman So, it would seem that (barring human error) the primary philosophical difference between the packaging... Loading...
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Karsten McMinn On Dec 11, 2007 11:00 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > My main basis for judging any distro is the... Loading...
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Richard Stallman few mentioned changes. Apples to apples comparisons I say. I adjust my repositories in a repository browser and... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > few mentioned changes. Apples to apples comparisons I say. I adjust > my repositories in a repository browser... Loading...
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Nick Guenther On Dec 11, 2007 3:21 PM, Karsten McMinn <tenyou@...> wrote: > On Dec 11, 2007 11:00 AM, Richard Stallman... Loading...
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Lars D. Noodén Richard Stallman wrote: >... > On the other hand, if a distro's policies say something is allowed, > then it isn't a... Loading...
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Iñigo Tejedor Arrondo-2 El mar, 11-12-2007 a las 14:00 -0500, Richard Stallman escribiC3: > My main basis for judging any distro is the... Loading...
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Jan Stary > In particular, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/freedom-or-power.html. yeah, right. > Since I consider non-free... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > I think it would be wrong for me to recommend it to others. Therefore, > if a collection of software... Loading...
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Kyle George On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: > Including a program by name in the ports system does suggest using >... Loading...
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Richard Stallman If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that imply endorsement of said topic by the... Loading...
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marina-25 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: > If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does... Loading...
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Richard Stallman An anthology contains the actual licensed material of the books. The ports tree only contains urls of these... Loading...
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marina-25 Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man. Actually I'm not a man at all. Not all people who are in software are... Loading...
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L-9 > marina@... wrote: >> Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man. >> >> Actually I'm not a man at all. >> >>... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 16, 2007 1:26 PM, L <l@...> wrote: > > marina@... wrote: > >> Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real... Loading...
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Martin Schröder 2007/12/16, bofh <goodb0fh@...>: > The language is not ready for it. Other languages do not have such a... Loading...
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Hannah Schroeter OT: Sexist vs. gender neutral language (was Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men) - Hi! On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:26:17AM -0700, L wrote: >>marina@... wrote: >>>Oh, and by the way, I'm not a... Loading...
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L-9 Hannah Schroeter wrote: >> Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. > > No need to invent yet another kind of... Loading...
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Deanna Phillips-2 L writes: > Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. Har, har. Just use "they". It used to be... Loading...
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L-9 Deanna Phillips wrote: >> Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. > > Har, har. > > Just use "they". >... Loading...
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Nick Guenther On Dec 16, 2007 2:02 PM, Deanna Phillips <deanna@...> wrote: > L writes: > > > Yee will find it... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > > If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that > > imply endorsement of said topic... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Theo de Raadt wrote: > Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which > REMOVE such commercial... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which > > REMOVE such... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Theo de Raadt wrote: >> >>> Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches... Loading...
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Johan Mson Lindman David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > I am not out to get you. Richard is not out to get you. The FSF is > not out to get... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Again, Richard made foul and faulty comments about OpenBSD first. Neither one. What I said was that I don't... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > What I said was that I don't recommend OpenBSD because the ports > system suggests non-free programs. On the bsd... Loading...
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Rico Secada Theo vs. Richard - avoiding the facts! - Who am I Theo asked, a big fat nobody (maybe), but I started this issue to begin with and after criticizing Theo for... Loading...
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davelab6 Earlier - http://www.nabble.com/Real-men-don%27t-attack-straw-men-tp14256924r0p14344642.html - Richard appears to... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom So what it still is a stupid and hypocritical explanation. RMS is full of it. On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 02:14:36PM... Loading...
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L-9 >> Earlier - >> http://www.nabble.com/Real-men-don%27t-attack-straw-men-tp14256924r0p14344642.html >> - Richard... Loading...
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L-9 >>> Earlier - >>> http://www.nabble.com/Real-men-don%27t-attack-straw-men-tp14256924r0p14344642.html >>> >>> -... Loading...
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umaxx On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:56:52 +0100 Rico Secada <coolzone@...> wrote: > Who am I Theo asked, a big fat nobody... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Theo de Raadt wrote: >> What I said was that I don't recommend OpenBSD because the ports >> system suggests non-free... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:18PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Again, Richard made foul and faulty comments... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. William Boshuck wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:18PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> Again, Richard... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 12/16/07, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: ... > Distribute: > 4) To pass out or deliver. > > By... Loading...
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marina-25 David: The OpenBSD position is best expressed in this rather rude statement: Shut up and code. RMS is a philosopher... Loading...
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Michael Spratt If OpenBSD is a force field/bubble and richard stallman entered into it.. The bubble would be contaminated and the... Loading...
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michael hamerski-2 On Dec 14, 2007 9:09 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > > > Do you have turrets or aspergers or... Loading...
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L-9 David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: >>>> Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which >>>> REMOVE such... Loading...
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Edward A. Gardner Along with Godwin's law, there must be some rule of flame fests that people forget how it started or fail to note... Loading...
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Breen Ouellette David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches... Loading...
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Breen Ouellette-3 ----- This is a reply to David's email to me. I have left out his original message since it was sent privately and... Loading...
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Richard Stallman RMS' statement that OpenBSD endorses non-free software goes too far, What I said is that the ports system... Loading...
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Jeroen Massar Richard Stallman wrote: > RMS' statement that OpenBSD endorses non-free software goes too far, > > What I said is... Loading...
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Matthew Dempsky-3 On 12/15/07, Jeroen Massar <jeroen@...> wrote: > Should I take this that you don't endorse Debian, and thus also... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom How,... boring... On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 06:39:15PM -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > On 12/15/07, Jeroen Massar... Loading...
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Douglas A. Tutty On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:55:10PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: > > RMS' statement that... Loading...
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michael hamerski-2 On Dec 14, 2007 5:43 PM, Breen Ouellette <admin@...> wrote: > ----- > This is a reply to David's email to me. I... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > > Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > >> Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > If you are unwilling to adopt policies consistent with... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:18 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: <snip> > > > It is completely irrelevant to Stallman... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 14, 2007, at 5:44 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Ray Percival wrote: >> >> On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:18 PM,... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Ray Percival wrote: > >> >> I guess major advertising firms, politicians, and ghandi are not clear >> thinking... Loading...
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Byron Sonne > Orthodoxy is EVIL no matter what god it's in service of. Oh that's rich coming from OpenBSD land... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > > If you are unwilling to adopt policies consistent with... Loading...
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ropers This site uses ABLOBE Flush*, but it's TEH... Loading...
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ropers For kicks, I headed over to gnewsense.org. I really encourage people to check out the forums there... Loading...
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Breen Ouellette ropers wrote: > This site uses ABLOBE Flush*, but it's TEH FUNNAY: >... Loading...
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Lars Hansson-5 On Dec 14, 2007 9:23 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > Securing the RSM seal of approval may or... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:54:47AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical... Loading...
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Breen Ouellette Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:54:47AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> Richard, your... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On 12/14/07, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...> wrote: > > I am just curious - why exactly were all the DJB... Loading...
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Erik Wikström-2 On 2007-12-14 18:48, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:54:47AM -0700, Theo de Raadt... Loading...
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Marc Espie-2 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:48:44PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >... Loading...
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Han Boetes Theo de Raadt wrote: > Yet on Richard's side of this fence, emacs and gcc _directly > include_ code which lets users... Loading...
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guilt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, This is what I felt; All comments are welcome. If both... Loading...
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StrongBad Theo de Raadt wrote: > ... your pants are full of hypocritical poo. > There's one for usr.bin/mg/theo.c --... Loading...
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Constantine A. Murenin On 13/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > If a library has a book on... Loading...
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Erik Wikström-2 On 2007-12-13 17:51, Richard Stallman wrote: > If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 06:56:57PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: | I don't recommend Torvalds' version of Linux. The... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd Re-adding the original recipients. Please keep this on-list or out of my mailbox. On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 07:12:46AM... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Please note that I'm not saying gcc or emacs should not support windows, solaris, ultrix or any other non-free... Loading...
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Darrin Chandler On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:29PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Please note that I'm not saying gcc or emacs... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 15, 2007 7:09 PM, Darrin Chandler <dwchandler@...> wrote: > The single benefit of distributing "free"... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet bofh wrote: > I respectfully disagree. Linux was definitely the enabler for this to > happen. How much of Linux's... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Daniel Ouellet wrote: > > > However, I never thought I would have to remind you that BSD IS a > complete OS, kernel... Loading...
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L-9 David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > Daniel Ouellet wrote: >> >> However, I never thought I would have to remind you that BSD... Loading...
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Darrin Chandler On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 08:07:19PM -0500, bofh wrote: > On Dec 15, 2007 7:09 PM, Darrin Chandler... Loading...
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Richard Stallman He claims OpenBSD suggest the use of non-free software. After having used it for quite some time, such a... Loading...
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Iñigo Tejedor Arrondo-2 El sC!b, 15-12-2007 a las 16:36 -0500, Richard Stallman escribiC3: > Remember all the people who accused me of... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. After reveiwing the OpenBSD Goals and Polices, it appears to me that the intent is that OpenBSD should be a... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:21 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > After reveiwing the OpenBSD Goals and Polices, it... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Ray Percival wrote: > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:21 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: > >> After reveiwing the OpenBSD... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On 12/15/07, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > After reveiwing the OpenBSD Goals and Polices, it... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Ted Unangst wrote: > On 12/15/07, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: > >> After reveiwing the... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:31PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > ... > Remember all the people who accused me of... Loading...
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Richard Stallman | > As has been said before, the ports tree is just a | > scaffold, used to force third party programs (be... Loading...
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Richard Stallman | I don't recommend Torvalds' version of Linux. The versions of Linux | in Ututo and gNewSense, which I... Loading...
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Paul de Weerd On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:51PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: | | I don't recommend Torvalds' version of Linux.... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > They seem to be pretty new, > what did you recommend before these came onto the scene ? None of > ... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy If you can't or won't recommend anything everything goes to Microsoft. > -----Original Message----- > From:... Loading...
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fuzzyping On Dec 11, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > Including a program by name in the ports system does suggest... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Where is your line in the sand? When does an operating system become free by your interpretation? When... Loading...
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ropers On 12/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > If OpenBSD eliminates the non-free programs from the ports... Loading...
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Richard Stallman You said "Real men don't attack straw men". Yet this is *EXACTLY* what you are now doing. You continue to... Loading...
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Edd Barrett Hi Richard, On 14/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > But I would also like you to answer my... Loading...
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Richard Stallman For personal reasons, I do not browse the web from my computer. (I also have not net connection much of the time.) To... Loading...
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marina-25 On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: > For personal reasons, I do not browse the web from my computer. (I >... Loading...
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Gilbert Fernandes-4 On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:42:06PM -0500, marina@... wrote: > Would you mind sharing the recipie ? That... Loading...
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STeve Andre' On Saturday 15 December 2007 23:42:06 marina@... wrote: > On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: > > For... Loading...
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marina-25 On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, STeve Andre' wrote: > On Saturday 15 December 2007 23:42:06 marina@... wrote: >> On... Loading...
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Marc Balmer Richard Stallman wrote: > For personal reasons, I do not browse the web from my computer. (I > also have not net... Loading...
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marina-25 On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Marc Balmer wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: > >> For personal reasons, I do not browse the... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 15, 2007, at 5:28 PM, Marc Balmer wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: > >> For personal reasons, I do not... Loading...
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Firas Kraiem-3 On Sunday 16 December 2007 02:28:12 Marc Balmer wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: > > For personal reasons, I do not... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Edd Barrett wrote: > How do you browse the web? emacs? Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 Richard Stallman a icrit : > I have no obligation to answer each and every message that people > post, or address... Loading...
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Richard Stallman There is a difference between "I have no obligation to answer each and every message" and "I cannot find a... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:51PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > There is a difference between "I have no... Loading...
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fuzzyping On Dec 15, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Gilles Chehade wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:51PM -0500, Richard Stallman... Loading...
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Allie Daneman Can someone just kill this thread PLEASE....only a few posts were actually good, the rest is filling my inbox... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom Then you can talk to me. Every single piece of firmware that goes though my hands these days was written in gcc on... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Richard Stallman wrote: > There is a difference between "I have no obligation to answer each and > every... Loading...
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Darrin Chandler On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:51PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > I know of at least four companies I've worked... Loading...
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Nick Guenther On Dec 14, 2007 5:09 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > > > But I would also like you to answer my emails,... Loading...
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Damien Miller On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: > You said "Real men don't attack straw men". Yet this is *EXACTLY*... Loading...
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Martin Schröder 2007/12/10, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not contain non-free software >... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Why don't you ask Theo, whom you once praised, about OpenBSD? Because he tends to be unfriendly. Loading...
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Steve Shockley Richard Stallman wrote: >> Why don't you ask Theo, whom you once praised, about OpenBSD? > Because he tends to be... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Interestingly enough, if you specified that as the reason you recommend against using OpenBSD, this thread... Loading...
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Gordon Grieder On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:06AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Maybe it would have led to a shorter thread, but... Loading...
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Richard Stallman So have you sent these types of "unrecommendations" to other OS' mailing lists or just OpenBSD's? I... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Richard Stallman <rms@...> [2007-12-14 15:49:54]: > > I generally don't raise the issue, and I did not raise... Loading...
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Marc Espie-2 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:54PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > So have you sent these types of... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > So have you sent these types of "unrecommendations" to other OS' > mailing lists or just OpenBSD's? > > I... Loading...
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L-9 > Richard Stallman wrote: >>> Why don't you ask Theo, whom you once praised, about OpenBSD? >> Because he tends to... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Not calling someone unfriendly and just focusing on the conversation/technical details at hand, would be much... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Not calling someone unfriendly and just focusing on the > conversation/technical details at hand, would be... Loading...
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L-9 Re: Real men don't attack sign men - >> Not calling someone unfriendly and just focusing on the >> conversation/technical details at hand, would be... Loading...
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Richard Stallman I doubt someone who is truly unfriendly could organize a hackathon, a friendly social event. He may be... Loading...
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Marc Balmer Richard Stallman wrote: > I doubt someone who is truly unfriendly could organize a hackathon, a > friendly... Loading...
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Breen Ouellette Marc Balmer wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: > >> I doubt someone who is truly unfriendly could organize a >>... Loading...
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STeve Andre' On Tuesday 11 December 2007 14:00:43 Richard Stallman wrote: > Why don't you ask Theo, whom you once praised, about... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Your definition of free is replete with chains; you would deny the freedom of choice in the name of... Loading...
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michael hamerski-2 On Dec 13, 2007 5:52 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Freedom means having control of your own life;... Loading...
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michael hamerski-2 Sorry, back to list, public debate. On Dec 14, 2007 11:51 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. <dhlii@...> wrote: >... Loading...
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Richard Stallman How does using non-free software, by your definition anything none GPL'ed I gather, bring actual physical harm... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > How does using non-free software, by your definition anything none > GPL'ed I gather, bring actual physical... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > In > other words, a society in which non-free software more or less doesn't > exist. And there... Loading...
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Michael Spratt You could put your money where you mouth is and leave the united states where people are selling and buying software... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom > It is much freer than a world in which non-free programs entice many > people into surrendering their freedom. So... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:52:10 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > Your definition of free is replete... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra-2 On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 04:49:34PM -0500, STeve Andre' wrote: > On Tuesday 11 December 2007 14:00:43 Richard Stallman... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 10, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Martin Schrvder wrote: > 2007/12/10, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: >> From what I... Loading...
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Alexey Suslikov Richard Stallman wrote: > > Torvalds' version of Linux is not free software, for this reason. > > Ututo and... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > It looks like some people are having a discussion... Loading...
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Richard Stallman OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the landscape. Everything that ships with it is free or else it won't be... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:00:14PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:00:14PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the... Loading...
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ropers > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:00:14PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * ropers <ropers@...> [2007-12-12 01:17:32]: *snip* > > In addition, it is *considerably harder* to... Loading...
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Richard Stallman In the end, the only way to prevent users from running non GPL software Is there anyone here who actually... Loading...
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Martin Schröder 2007/12/12, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > running non-GPL-covered software? Not I. I frequently run OpenSSH, >... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > running non-GPL-covered software? Not I. I frequently run OpenSSH, > whose license is not the GNU GPL, and... Loading...
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Martin Schröder 2007/12/14, Richard Stallman <rms@...>: > > running non-GPL-covered software? Not I. I frequently run... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 12:12:49PM +0100, Martin Schr?der wrote: > [...] > know the license of OpenSSH, which you... Loading...
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David Lynch Jr. Gilles Chehade wrote: > > I still know of many companies that did not switch to Linux because a > free software... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Gilles Chehade wrote: > > or senile really... I still did not get an answer because of apparent >... Loading...
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Jason Beaudoin > What puzzles me is why you think this mistake was a lie, or that it > might make me "look like a fool". People... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Richard Stallman <rms@...> [2007-12-12 17:52:29]: > In the end, the only way to prevent users from running... Loading...
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Richard Stallman It also seems silly to me this idea between "tainted" and "clean" oses, such as Open and gNewSense,... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On 12/14/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > The Adobe flash plug-in is non-free software, and people should... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > The Adobe flash plug-in is non-free software, and people should not > install it, or suggest installing it,... Loading...
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Jon . While we're all on this subject (or were, I left for a couple hours), hand in hand the philosophy that systems should... Loading...
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Ted Unangst-2 On 12/15/07, Jon . <jonforthewin@...> wrote: > The systems should inform users (or just flag to sys admins yo... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > > The Adobe flash plug-in is non-free software, and people should not > > install it, or suggest installing... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom > I exercise my freedom of speech by not telling people about the Adobe > flash plug-in. I think you should, too. But... Loading...
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Aaron Glenn On Dec 14, 2007 8:33 AM, Ted Unangst <ted.unangst@...> wrote: > On 12/14/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...>... Loading...
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Marc Balmer Aaron Glenn wrote: > On Dec 14, 2007 8:33 AM, Ted Unangst <ted.unangst@...> wrote: >> On 12/14/07, Richard... Loading...
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Damien Miller On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: > It also seems silly to me this idea between "tainted" and... Loading...
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Richard Stallman This incredibly misguided. People won't switch to free software because of hectoring and hamfisted attempts to... Loading...
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Constantine A. Murenin On 15/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Convincing people to switch to free software is just one part of... Loading...
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fuzzyping On Dec 15, 2007, at 4:37 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > This incredibly misguided. People won't switch to free... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:37:45PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > This incredibly misguided. People won't switch... Loading...
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Marc Espie-2 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 11:37:02PM +1100, Damien Miller wrote: > This incredibly misguided. People won't switch to free... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Richard, you can try to weasel your way all you can, saying you're `not aware' of such and such. In the end, if... Loading...
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Jason Beaudoin > I've been trying for a couple of years to get going a modified version > of Firefox that won't offer to install any... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:09:46 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <rms@...> said: > It also seems silly to me this idea... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Richard Stallman <rms@...> [2007-12-12 17:52:29]: > In the end, the only way to prevent users from running... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom > Are you afraid that people are just going to go after features > rather than free software once they've been tempted?... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Marco Peereboom <slash@...> [2007-12-15 08:24:21]: > > Are you afraid that people are just going to go... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom > I realize that you are frustrated with the terms and their definitions. > However, if someone is well-versed in the... Loading...
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Travers Buda-2 * Marco Peereboom <slash@...> [2007-12-15 17:18:52]: > > So lets repeat it, GPL software is GRATIS. >... Loading...
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bofh-6 On Dec 15, 2007 7:03 PM, Travers Buda <traversbuda@...> wrote: > And while I can't think of any instances where... Loading...
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Marco Peereboom The software is still gratis; one paid for the media. On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 08:10:02PM -0500, bofh wrote: > On Dec... Loading...
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j4nKy On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 01:52:26PM -0600, Travers Buda wrote: > However, if someone is well-versed in the GPL... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Marco Peereboom wrote: > RMS definitions of free/liberty/freedom etc are contorted to fit his > believe system. They... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Is there anyone here who actually proposes to prevent users from > running non-free software? Not I. I think that... Loading...
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Amarendra Godbole On Dec 13, 2007 4:58 AM, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...> wrote: > > Is there anyone here who actually proposes... Loading...
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Richard Stallman As far as I understand, the OpenBSD position appears to be that trying to police users by forbidding them to... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > As far as I understand, the OpenBSD position appears to be that trying > to police users by forbidding them... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about > our software, saying it is non-free,... Loading...
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Aaron Glenn On Dec 13, 2007 11:59 AM, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...> wrote: > > Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You... Loading...
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michael hamerski-2 > > Richard, I may be unfriendly, but you are a lying hypocritical > > asshole. > > > this pretty much sums up... Loading...
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michael hamerski-2 Richard, you're being cc'ed because people speak in your name. On Dec 14, 2007 9:35 AM, David H. Lynch Jr.... Loading...
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Michael Spratt Yes you being coppied come quick and install your GNU licence on us before it escapes you. Come oh dilbert of gnu,... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Come oh dilbert of gnu, stamp your licence upon all who code. Propegate your gnu legacy through the universe... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Richard Stallman wrote: > Come oh dilbert of gnu, stamp your licence upon all who code. Propegate your > gnu... Loading...
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Michael Spratt You meant contaminate not bless right ? :) Here is the rest of the quote that you failed to include... Loading...
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Kenneth Ismert misc, Richard: As someone from a relatively outside perspective, I find this thread puzzling. My feelings have swung... Loading...
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Eric Furman-3 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:19:06 -0600, "Ken Ismert" <kismert@...> said: > So, I ask you respectfully, Richard:... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:19:06 -0600, "Ken Ismert" <kismert@...> > said: > > > So, I ask you respectfully,... Loading...
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Benjamin M. A'Lee-2 (Apologies for two replies to the same message.) On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:23:22PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >... Loading...
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no@spam@mgedv.net Re: Real men don't attack straw men - FINALIZE! - sorry guys, but: from http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html: > misc > User questions and answers, general questions.... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > (Apologies for two replies to the same message.) > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:23:22PM -0700, Theo de Raadt... Loading...
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Benjamin M. A'Lee-2 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 05:23:22PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:19:06 -0600, "Ken Ismert"... Loading...
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Tony Aberenthy Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote: > There are commits from rms@... in the Emacs CVS repository from > earlier this... Loading...
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bofh-6 do firmware writers really use gcc? I always thought they use something else. On 12/14/07, Theo de Raadt... Loading...
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Michael Schmidt-3 michael hamerski schrieb: > Nah, it's too much fun... seriously though, even though ultimately > pointless, I think... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:59:27PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here... Loading...
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Greg Thomas-3 On Dec 13, 2007 2:09 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <rms@...> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:59:27PM -0700, Theo... Loading...
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Darrin Chandler On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:09:21PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > > Emacs *binaries* for *Windows* > >... Loading...
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marina-25 Re: Real men don't attack straw men ( I Call Goodwins Law ) - Someone already mentioned Hitler. Can we let this thread die. --- Marina Brown Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 12/13/07, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...> wrote: > Please see > > ... Loading...
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alicornio 2007/12/13, Gregg Reynolds <dev@...>: > > On 12/13/07, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@...> wrote: > >... Loading...
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Woodchuck-3 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss... Loading...
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Darrin Chandler On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:14AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > As far as I understand, the OpenBSD position... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Do you believe that The Pirate Bay is guilty of copyright infringement? That is a legal question, not an ethical... Loading...
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Constantine A. Murenin On 13/12/2007, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > Do you believe that The Pirate Bay is guilty of copyright... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > If OpenBSD could spin off the ports system (perhaps people could put > it on the Pirate Bay), and break off... Loading...
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Firas Kraiem-3 On Friday 14 December 2007 21:49:23 Richard Stallman wrote: > When speaking privately to someone I know is not likely... Loading...
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Rafael Almeida On Dec 13, 2007 2:52 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > If OpenBSD could spin off the ports system (perhaps... Loading...
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ropers I'd like to add two things I forgot earlier on, for Richards consideration: On 12/12/2007, ropers <ropers@...>... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > > Yes, that's what I was told. I was also told that OpenBSD's ports > > system includes non-free programs. ... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > Yes, that's what I was told. I was also... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > I should more precisely have said that the OpenBSD ports system > includes instructions for fetching,... Loading...
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William Boshuck Tricky Dicky [Was: Real men don't attack straw men] - On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:19PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > I should more precisely have said that the... Loading...
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Matthias Kilian On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:49:19PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > When the ports system contains a recipe to build... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > > I should more precisely have said that the OpenBSD ports system > > includes instructions for fetching,... Loading...
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daemon1 On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: ... > > Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring... Loading...
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Richard Stallman This philosophy disturbs me, and reminds me of the rationale for censorship in dictatorships and police... Loading...
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Bob Beck-3 > Having recipes for non-free programs in the ports system is more like > including present-day neofascist web sites in... Loading...
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Raimo Niskanen-7 Re: : Real men don't attack straw men - On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: : > > It contains URL's to non-free software,... Loading...
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Rick Pettit On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26:25PM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard... Loading...
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Theo de Raadt > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26:25PM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard... Loading...
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Richard Stallman If he really hated what we do, he should stop using OpenSSH. He says he uses it. He should not. We are... Loading...
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overdrive openbsd Why Stallman comes here? I am not going to all mailing of different operating systems that I don't like, saying "you're... Loading...
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Jason Beaudoin <snip> > If OpenBSD's port tree would be stated to contain only (pointers to) free > software, that is the current... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > [...] > > Does that make it non-free? >... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Why is it so hard for you to answer that question... To answer the question was not hard. To answer it before I... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-5 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 03:50:41PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Why is it so hard for you to answer that... Loading...
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Jason McIntyre-2 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Even giving the URLs has the effect of... Loading...
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Gregg Reynolds-4 On 12/13/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: ... > Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to... Loading...
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Christopher Linn http://xkcd.com/356/ -- Christopher Linn <celinn at mtu.edu> | By no means shall either the CEC System... Loading...
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ben calvert Would everyone in the room who maintain a complete, working operating system please raise their hands? would... Loading...
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William Boshuck On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:47:00PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:00:14PM -0500, Richard... Loading...
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Jason Beaudoin On Dec 11, 2007 2:00 PM, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the... Loading...
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Richard Stallman > Torvalds' version of Linux is not free software, for this reason. > Ututo and gNewSense include a version of... Loading...
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Iñigo Tejedor Arrondo-2 El sC!b, 15-12-2007 a las 16:36 -0500, Richard Stallman escribiC3: > I suppose so. I don't see how anything could... Loading...
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j4nKy On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:57PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > Not at all. The point is to avoid things to lead... Loading...
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RedShift Richard Stallman wrote: > OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the landscape. Everything that > ships with... Loading...
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Josh Grosse I have been reading this debate with interest, and am confused on one key point. RMS wrote: > Ututo and... Loading...
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Nick Guenther On Dec 11, 2007 2:55 PM, Josh Grosse <josh@...> wrote: > I have been reading this debate with interest,... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Richard Stallman wrote: > OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the landscape. Everything that > ships with... Loading...
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Jacob Yocom-Piatt-2 Marco Peereboom wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > >> The fact that... Loading...
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dfordham On Dec 10, 2007 12:55 PM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <jy-p@...> wrote: > Marco Peereboom wrote: > > On Mon, Dec... Loading...
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Jacob Yocom-Piatt-2 Doug Fordham wrote: > On Dec 10, 2007 12:55 PM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <jy-p@...> wrote: > >> Marco... Loading...
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Matthew Dempsky-3 On 12/10/07, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <jy-p@...> wrote: > "claiming products that use binary blobs and GPL-ed... Loading...
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Uwe Dippel On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:20:00 -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > That being said, the OpenBSD developers have given their... Loading...
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fuzzyping On Dec 10, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Uwe Dippel wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:20:00 -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > >>... Loading...
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Marc Espie-2 On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 11:27:08PM -0500, Jason Dixon wrote: > Nobody is criticizing RMS over his opinion. They are... Loading...
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Lars D. Noodén Marc Espie wrote: > ... > You've got a choice of: Or 4) not up on the OpenBSD projects goals and current... Loading...
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Peter N. M. Hansteen-3 Lars NoodC)n <larsnooden@...> writes: > Articles and other means of providing information about OpenBSD... Loading...
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Daniel Ouellet Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > Using OpenBSD we build the systems we need, and they work a helluva > lot better than... Loading...
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Ray Percival-2 On Dec 11, 2007, at 4:43 AM, Lars Noodin wrote: > Marc Espie wrote: >> ... >> You've got a choice of: > >... Loading...
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Martin Schröder 2007/12/11, Lars Noodin <larsnooden@...>: > 4) not up on the OpenBSD projects goals and current licensing... Loading...
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Edd Barrett On 11/12/2007, Marc Espie <espie@...> wrote: > You've got a choice of: > 1/ complete idiot > 2/ senile old fool... Loading...
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Lars D. Noodén Jason Dixon wrote: > Nobody is criticizing RMS over his opinion. They are criticizing him > for ignorance and... Loading...
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Tito Mari Francis Escaño 2007/12/11 Uwe Dippel <udippel@...>: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:20:00 -0800, Matthew Dempsky wrote: > I don't... Loading...
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dfordham On Dec 10, 2007 3:31 PM, Jacob Yocom-Piatt <jy-p@...> wrote: > > Doug Fordham wrote: > > On Dec 10,... Loading...
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Marc Balmer Richard, while we do provide a free operating system, http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html makes it total... Loading...
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overdrive openbsd Now the answer is... Stallman, why did you start this thread? It is totaly absurd, it does not make any... Loading...
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StrongBad Borja Tarraso wrote: > > Stallman, why did you start this thread? It is totaly absurd, it does > not make any... Loading...
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Gilbert Fernandes-4 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 04:16:47PM -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Sounds like the first three lines for Ty's next... Loading...
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Whyzzi [troll] WARNING: Thread Parody. Original: "Keanu Sausage" skit from the episode "Operation: Rich in... Loading...
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Rui Miguel Silva Seabra On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: > while we do provide a free operating system, >... Loading...
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fuzzyping On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc Balmer... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:15:08 +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: >On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc... Loading...
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Rod Whitworth-3 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:30:28 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: >Richard, > >while we do provide a free operating... Loading...
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Kenneth Ismert From my perspective as someone outside the BSD and GPL cultures, both camps seem to have many more similarities than... Loading...
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Darrin Chandler On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 12:28:29PM -0600, Ken Ismert wrote: > It seems likely that no one license can preserve all... Loading...
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Kenneth Ismert Darrin Chandler wrote: > There seems to be a subtext in your message that one license is more > free than the other,... Loading...
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Darrin Chandler On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:41:27PM -0600, Ken Ismert wrote: > Darrin Chandler wrote: > > > Offering something to... Loading...
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Ryan Corder-3 I'm a very happy user of both OpenBSD and GNU/Linux systems, but what I don't get is, how is limiting a users choice... Loading...
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Duncan Patton a Campbell On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:05:16 -0800 Ryan Corder <ryanc@...> wrote: > I understand and appreciate the... Loading...
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j4nKy On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 05:16:54PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: > On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:05:16 -0800 > Ryan... Loading...
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Kenneth Ismert Darrin Chandler wrote: > ... BSD/MIT/ISC licenses are more Free than GPL. There's nothing > to debate about that.... Loading...
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chefren > I see both Theo and Richard as principled iconoclasts, stubbornly > creating Eh, that was a very long time ago... Loading...
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Unix Fan Some day in the future, RMS will die while having sexual intercourse with an android running proprietary software... and... Loading...
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Jeff Palmer-6 > The ports system may contain a general facility which could build and > install any program. (I don't know if it... Loading...
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Eric Faurot-2 RMS wrote: > I've been trying for a couple of years to get going a modified version > of Firefox that won't offer to... Loading...
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Unix Fan Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > You too. > > I still remember cheering when I read > >... Loading...
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Harry Menegay Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:54:47AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Richard, your... Loading...
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Marc Balmer Richard "Hypocrite" Stallmann, we, OpenBSD, are endorsing non-free software? what is that:... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Richard's words are the essence of the Free Software Foundation and the GNU General Public License: people... Loading...
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badeguruji David, wonderful writeup! there is a guy here at work, he is full of extra(sometimes called crap or standup), nobody... Loading...
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David Walker-3 Richard. Belief systems are vital for living. Every conscious act is the result of a belief. Thoughts are the... Loading...
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Siegbert Marschall Is it April 2008 already, or what is happening on this mailing list ? I am about two weeks behind reading but out of... Loading...
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Bryan Irvine On Dec 11, 2007 3:48 PM, Siegbert Marschall <siggi@...> wrote: > Is it April 2008 already, or what is... Loading...
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RedShift Richard Stallman wrote: > It looks like some people are having a discussion in which they > construct views they would... Loading...
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Nick Guenther On 12/10/07, Richard Stallman <rms@...> wrote: > One question particularly relevant for this list is why I don't >... Loading...
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Richard Stallman Um, OpenBSD is the only common OS that is actively against blobs. See http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 ... Loading...
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Steve Shockley Nick Guenther wrote: >> From what I have heard, OpenBSD does not contain non-free software >> (though I am not sure... Loading...
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Reyk Floeter-2 On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:57:24PM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: > He's referring to firmware binaries, not software... Loading...
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Gilles Chehade-6 On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 08:58:40PM +0100, Reyk Floeter wrote: > On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 12:57:24PM -0500, Steve... Loading...
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j4nKy On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > One question particularly relevant for this list... Loading...
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Marc Espie-2 On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:47AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: > One question particularly relevant for this list is... Loading...
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Jason Beaudoin RMS, Given what I've read, listened to, and specifically what you've said here: > From what I have heard, OpenBSD... Loading...
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