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Re: [ANN] RevLetObject javascript include.

2009-10-30T17:36:49Z

Many thanks for sharing this useful script! :-D

My only worry is: What could happen in the
specific case that users had disabled javascript,
just like some Firefox extensions do.

By the way, Andre, Could you prepare an online demo
of revlets and javascript interaction?

I have to ask about this because you are one
of the participants in this mail list, that have
extensive knowledge in revTalk and Javascript.

Thanks in advance!

Alejandro

Re: Trademark symbol in a label or edit field

2009-10-30T17:16:49Z

Devin,

Thanks so much for that suggestion! I will try and see if it works when I run the program on a pc.

Devin Asay wrote:

Charles,

One more option: sometimes it is more reliable for cross-platform apps
to use html entities:

copyright symbol: ©

registered trademark symbol: ®

trademark symbol: ™

Examples:

set the htmltext of fld "copyrightNotice" to "<p>©2009</p>"
set the htmltext of fld "tradmarkNotice" to "<p>Revolution® is
a trademark of RunRev Ltd.</p>"
set the htmltext of fld "tradmemark2" to "<p>Try Revolution™
for all your programming needs!</p>"

HTH

Devin

On Oct 29, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

>
> Terry,
>
> Thanks! I will try it out windows to see if it shows up correctly!
>
>
> Terry Judd wrote:
>>
>> It's numToChar(168) on the Mac and numToChar(174) on Windows if
>> that's any
>> help.
>>
>> Terry...
>>
>>
>> On 30/10/09 7:18 AM, "Charles Szasz" <cszasz@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Colin!
>>>
>>> I am aware of the shortcut (Option + 2) but I did not know if
>>> Revolution
>>> would support this in fields on both the Mac and Windows. I had
>>> checked
>>> Rev's Dictionary and did not find any listing for it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Colin Holgate-2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you insert the trademark symbol (circle with the letter
>>>>> inside it) in
>>>>> a label or edit field in Revolution? I want to cite of a product
>>>>> with its
>>>>> trademark.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Usually there's a keyboard shortcut for doing that. On Mac it's
>>>> Option-2 () for trademark, Option-r (®) for registered mark,
>>>> Option-g
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Re: Another "How to do this in a Revlet?" thread

2009-10-30T16:50:27Z

Hi Richard,

Actually, these are plain and simple vector graphics, organized
like concentric rings that you could show and hide, depending
of zoom level.

This zoom slider is actually scaling all graphics from
the center. Adobe Flash do not scale all vector graphics
at the same time. This is an illusion. But a really fast one.
I had published an stack that uses matrices to scale vector
graphics. Scaling the points of vector graphics in a loop or
driven by a scale slider should be no problem. ;-)
http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/graphics_transformations_01.zip

Scott Rossi published an stack that shows a rotating and scaling
vector graphic:
http://tactilemedia.com/site_files/downloads/tutti3d.rev.zip

About the seemingly infinite zoom, you could simulate this
showing a new group of vector graphics when the outer container
group of graphics reach certain zoom level.

Did you notice that small graphics in the center, only show
distinguishable details after they reach certain size? You could
use this exact scale point to hide the outer vector container group
and show a new vector graphics group that you could keep scaling.

When the container group is zoomed out of the stack
area, hide this group and the scale slider controls the
resize of the recently visible group.

In this way, you are zooming only one group of graphics,
not all the groups at the same time. And when the group
reach a certain scale or zoom, you show a new group
and hide previous zoomed group. Keep doing this ad infinitum.
Like showing and hiding concentric rings.

Alejandro

Re: RevMedia Question: Securing the revlet?

2009-10-30T14:47:00Z

Hi Malte,

This is similar to methods used
by Director and Flash to stop
users of running their apps
from their hard disk.

Al

Re: backgroundBehavior ?

2009-10-30T12:33:36Z

Richmond-

Friday, October 30, 2009, 12:20:16 PM, you wrote:

> I can only conclude it had to be saved, purged from the memory and
> reloaded for things to start functioning.

Well, it worked for me the first time without any of that fiddling, so
again I'm left clueless. Glad you got it working, though.

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Re: backgroundBehavior ?

2009-10-30T12:20:16Z

Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richmond-
>
> Friday, October 30, 2009, 11:31:08 AM, you wrote:
>
>
>> Please advise . . . :)
>>
>
> It works here in 3.5 and 4.0dp5. Not much advice, I know.
>
>

Very queer indeed. I have just reopened the stack and now it functions.

I can only conclude it had to be saved, purged from the memory and
reloaded for things to start functioning.

Your "Not much advice" was a sufficient kick in the pants for me to
reinvestigate, and for that I thank you . . . :)
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Re: backgroundBehavior ?

2009-10-30T12:07:55Z

Richmond-

Friday, October 30, 2009, 11:31:08 AM, you wrote:

> Please advise . . . :)

It works here in 3.5 and 4.0dp5. Not much advice, I know.

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Drag/Move Cursor?

2009-10-30T11:54:51Z

On 30 Oct 2009, at 1:14 pm, Rick Harrison wrote:

> I've been trying to figure out how to programmatically
> move/drag the cursor in a stack to mimic what a human
> would do, as a teaching aid. The documentation is not
> very clear on how to accomplish this.

I have done a fair bit of mucking around moving and constraining the
cursor. It can get a bit ugly, tricky, disturbing for the user and
deprecated by user interface purists. Much better to hide the cursor
(set the cursor to none) and then show a fake cursor which you can
move between two points or along a path as you would with any
object. You can even colour the teaching cursor to indicate that
this is showing the user something and so won't be responsive to
mouse movements.

David Glasgow
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backgroundBehavior ?

2009-10-30T11:31:08Z

Well, one is never too old to learn new (old?) tricks . . . :)

So, I created a main stack and made a group on the first card (called
"gBOX")
consisting of a button and a field; then popped this into the Message Box:

set the backgroundBehavior of group "gBOX" to true

hoping that as I made new cards my group "gBOX" would automagically
appear on them: but it didn't . . .

Please advise . . . :)
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Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta

2009-10-30T11:10:57Z

David,

There is an extra tab in my example, but it doesn't effect anything. The
problem remains as described. Did you try it in your browser and have it
work properly?

Richard

dfepstein@... wrote:

> Richard Miller wrote:
> ...
> 1. Create a popup button. It will come with three lines of data in it.
>
> ...
> 3. Go back and enter this into the message box:
>
> put return & tab & tab & "choice x" after line 1 of btn 1
>
> 4. In the development environment, "choice x" should now appear as a
> sub-choice of the first menu item, and you should be able to select it.
> ...
>
> Looks like there's an extra "tab" in your step 3.
>
> David Epstein
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Re: RevMedia Woes

2009-10-30T11:08:03Z

Hi Jim,

James Hurley wrote:

I don't know if this is related, but I have found that there is a
significant increase in speed in going from Rev IDE on Mac OS to the
revLet see discussion below.
I've been waiting for some clarification from Rev.
[snip]
go url "http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevGraphicTimer.rev"
And on the Web, go to
http://jamesphurley.on-rev.com/OnRevTimer/test.html

In the first card, the speed i see in my browser ranges from 289 milliseconds
to 450 milliseconds. Oddly enough, there are too many variations of speed
among repetitions that i dont know which of these speed is the most
reliable measure.

Hugh Senior wrote:
> "Plugin failed to load."

I suspect that Web Server and download speed have
something to do with this error.
Have you noticed that revlets samples posted in Runrev
site always work?

Alejandro

[ANN] RevLetObject javascript include.

2009-10-30T11:03:48Z

Hello Folks,

It is with immense happiness that I announce the immediate availability of
RevLetObject. As many here know, instantiating revlets is a tricky thing and
I bet most people here just copy & paste from the test.html generated by Rev
IDE into their own page. If you want to load more than one revlet or want to
do it at runtime, then, using those ugly HTML constructs will be a tad hard.
Right now, loading a revlet looks like this, pardon me for the huge quote,
but I want to make a point, just scroll down:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

<object classid="CLSID:B2EC94AF-4716-4300-824A-3314BF23664A" width=566
height=396>
<param name="src" value="redcube.revlet"/>
<param name="stack" value="Untitled 1"/>
<param name="requestedName" value=""/>
<param name="instanceID" value=""/>
<embed type="application/x-revolution"
src="redcube.revlet"
width=566 height=396
stack="Untitled 1"
requestedName=""
instanceID=""
></embed>
</object>

</div>
<div id="noplugin" style="display:none">
<a href="http://revweb.runrev.com"><img src="
http://www.runrev.com/revweb/images/revweb-noplugin.gif" border=0></a>
</div>


</p>


<script type="text/javascript">
var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();
var ie = (agt.indexOf("msie") != -1);
var ns = (navigator.appName.indexOf("Netscape") != -1);
var win = ((agt.indexOf("win")!=-1) || (agt.indexOf("32bit")!=-1));
var mac = (agt.indexOf("mac")!=-1);
if(ie && win){ pluginlist =
detectIE("RunRev.RevWebPluginCtrl.1","Revolution"); }
if (ns || !win){ nse = ""; for(var i=0;i<navigator.mimeTypes.length;i++) nse
+= navigator.mimeTypes[i].type.toLowerCase(); pluginlist =
detectNS("application/x-revolution","Revolution"); }
function detectIE(ClassID,name) { result = false; document.write('<SCRIPT
LANGUAGE=VBScript>\n on error resume next \n result =
IsObject(CreateObject("' + ClassID + '"))\</SCRIPT\>\n'); if (result) return
name+','; else return ''; }
function detectNS(ClassID,name) { n = ""; if (nse.indexOf(ClassID) != -1) if
(navigator.mimeTypes[ClassID].enabledPlugin != null) n = name+","; return n;
}
pluginlist += navigator.javaEnabled() ? "Java," : "";
if (pluginlist.length > 0) pluginlist =
pluginlist.substring(0,pluginlist.length-1);
var plugin = document.getElementById("plugin");
var noplugin = document.getElementById("noplugin");
plugin.style.display = "none";
noplugin.style.display = "none";
if(pluginlist.indexOf("Revolution")!=-1){ plugin.style.display = "block";
}else{ noplugin.style.display = "block"; }
</script>


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

With revletobject.js it looks like:

revletobject.load({
width: 360,
height: 290,
src: "demo.revlet",
stack: "demo",
instanceID: "1",
id: "params",
params: {
test: "this is a test",
color: "blue"}
}
);

Yes, that simple! It uses a JSON as parameter, and the key/value pairs are
pretty straight forward. RevLetObject also provides a pluginloaded()
function that will return true or false depending on the availability of the
plugin. So you can wrap it all like:

<div id="params">No plugin.</div>
<script type="text/javascript">
if (revletobject.pluginloaded()) {
revletobject.load({
width: 360,
height: 290,
src: "demo.revlet",
stack: "demo",
instanceID: "1",
id: "params",
params: {
test: "this is a test",
color: "blue"}
}
);
}
</script>

This will check if the plugin is loaded, if so it will replace the div with
id "params" with the revlet as specified by the id key on the load call...

You can see a demo at:

http://andregarzia.com/revletobject/demo.html

or get it from

http://hg.andregarzia.com/revletobject

There is a wiki available at:

http://hg.andregarzia.com/revletobject/wiki/Home

I also show some nice revlet javascript interaction on that demo.

By the way, this is released on the terms of MIT license.

Cheers and have fun!
Andre

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Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta

2009-10-30T11:01:46Z

Richard Miller wrote:
...
1. Create a popup button. It will come with three lines of data in it.

...
3. Go back and enter this into the message box:

put return & tab & tab & "choice x" after line 1 of btn 1

4. In the development environment, "choice x" should now appear as a
sub-choice of the first menu item, and you should be able to select it.
...

Looks like there's an extra "tab" in your step 3.

David Epstein
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Re: Another "How to do this in a Revlet?" thread

2009-10-30T10:59:38Z

When doing a repeated resize of an image you might want to consider bugzilla Report #8302.
It describes a funny problem in Revlets and stacks that leaks memory when an image is repeatedly resized AND the image was from a JPEG image. No leak if image was a png or if image is still referenced via filename (referenced JPEGs dont leak)
regards
Bernd

Richard Gaskin wrote:

Jacque wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> This is not only cool, but this type of zooming can be instructionally
>> useful:
>>
>> <http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/>
>>
>> Anyone here pull off something like that in Rev?
>
> I haven't, but I don't think it would be hard. It's just a
> high-resolution image that is continually scaled. I'd put a scrollbar
> under the image, scripted to reset the scale of the image object, and
> that should do it. If you want smooth scaling, you'd need to continually
> rescale in a loop, in very small increments, until the target scale is
> reached.

I'm attracted to the idea that it could be easy, but I think in practice
it may be quite harder than it looks.

For starters, it loads really fast so it's gotta be vector objects
rather than a large scaled bitmap image.

And given its size when you're zoomed in all the way, it would almost
certainly exceed Rev's 4095-pixel limit on image size (do I have that
limit correct?).

I think it would require some nifty scaling algorithms, and with Flash
doing this almost automatically and with us needing to do this in
script, I'm having a hard time figuring out how one could do that as
gracefully.

--
Richard Gaskin

Re: Non-Latin Web Addresses Coming Soon

2009-10-30T10:49:56Z

Le 30 oct. 2009 à 18:45, stephen barncard a écrit :

> This could divide the web more than help it IMHO.
>
> Also the 'World Wide Web' hasn't been around for 4 decades!
>
wasn't there an issue a few years ago with cyrillic dots used to fake
ascii dot for phishing purposes?

François

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Re: Another "How to do this in a Revlet?" thread

2009-10-30T10:48:36Z

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>>> This is not only cool, but this type of zooming can be instructionally
>>> useful:
>>>
>>> <http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/>
>>>
>>> Anyone here pull off something like that in Rev?

Ian's right: it's separate vector graphics in Flash.

The thing that makes this ultra easy in Flash and ultra challenging in Rev
is you can't easily scale a group (why? it's almost 2010 -- we should have
flying cars and scaling groups in Rev should be a given by now).

If you're going to try it in Rev, there's no need to use images -- graphics
should work -- and you *might* get better performance using graphics, but
then again, handling of numerous objects of any type at large size often
slows down Rev, so images may be the way to go.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

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Re: Non-Latin Web Addresses Coming Soon

2009-10-30T10:45:50Z

This could divide the web more than help it IMHO.

Also the 'World Wide Web' hasn't been around for 4 decades!

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev

2009/10/30 Michael Kann <mikekann@...>

> >From the NY Times online this morning:
>
> SEOUL — By the middle of next year, Internet surfers will be allowed to use
> Web addresses written completely in Chinese, Arabic, Korean and other
> non-Latin alphabets, the organization overseeing Internet domain names
> announced on Friday in a decision that could make the Web more accessible.
>
> In a move billed as one of the biggest changes in the Web’s four-decade
> history, the board of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers — or ICANN — voted Friday to allow such scripts in Internet
> addresses during its annual meeting, held in Seoul.
>
> ----- snip ----
>
> This change only affects domain names — anything that comes after the dot,
> such as .com, .cn or .jp. Until now, they could only be in 37 characters —
> 26 Latin letters, 10 digits or a dash. But starting next year, domain names
> can be the characters of any language.
>
> The decision, reached after years of testing and debate, clears the way for
> ICANN to begin accepting applications for non-Latin domain names on Nov. 16.
> People will start seeing them in use around mid-2010, particularly in
> Arabic, Chinese and other scripts in which demand for the new
> “internationalized” domain name system has been among the highest, ICANN
> officials say.
>
> Initially, the new naming system will only affect Web addresses with
> “country codes,” the designators at the end of an address name, such as .kr
> (for Korea) or .ru (for Russia). But eventually, it will be expanded to all
> types of Internet address names, ICANN said.
>
> ----- snip ----
>
> Full article here:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/technology/31net.html?_r=1&hp
>
> -- only a few more fluff paragraphs
> -- registration required
>
> Michael Kann
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Error installing RevMedia 4.0 DP5

2009-10-30T10:33:22Z

Yves COPPE wrote:

>
> Le 30 oct. 09 à 17:55, J. Landman Gay a écrit :
>
>> Yves COPPE wrote:
>>> Le 30 oct. 09 à 00:34, J. Landman Gay a écrit :
>>>> Yves COPPE wrote:
>>>>> Hi list
>>>>> When I start installing revMedia 4 dp5 and after the unpacking of
>>>>> the 5 pkgs, hte installing is cancelled automatically and I get
>>>>> such a message :
>>>>> An error occured installing the product
>>>>> To inform revolution about this error, please quote error code
>>>>> 43F.10FC
>>>>> Please clic "try again" of "send error report" to automatically
>>>>> post error information to Revolution
>>>>
>>>> What OS are you running?
>>>>
>>> Re,
>>> mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 on an intel Core 2 duo macBook
>>
>>
>
> Re
>
> how can i throw away the files that are loaded to force a new downoad
> When I ask to try again, it starts automatically with "unpacking1/5"
>
> I think there could be a problem at the download time, so I'd like to
> re-donwload the files again
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
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Hello Yves,
I ran into exactly the same trouble the other evening when trying to do
the update on my Vista machine. Couldn't find an uninstaller directly
through the O/S, but did find one after digging around in the
application folder (my system):

C:\Program Files\Revolution Media 4.0.0\Installation Data\

I ran the uninstaller, then re-installed the new version and all is well.

Best regards,
David C.
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Re: Another "How to do this in a Revlet?" thread

2009-10-30T10:15:20Z

On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jacque wrote:
>
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> This is not only cool, but this type of zooming can be
>>> instructionally
>>> useful:
>>>
>>> <http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/>
>>>
>>> Anyone here pull off something like that in Rev?
>>
>> I haven't, but I don't think it would be hard. It's just a
>> high-resolution image that is continually scaled. I'd put a scrollbar
>> under the image, scripted to reset the scale of the image object, and
>> that should do it. If you want smooth scaling, you'd need to
>> continually
>> rescale in a loop, in very small increments, until the target scale
>> is
>> reached.
>
> I'm attracted to the idea that it could be easy, but I think in
> practice
> it may be quite harder than it looks.

Pretty easy to do as a simple, medium-res example (but don't set the
image's resizeQuality to "Best", or it gets really slow):

Try my crude test from the message box:

go stack url "http://asay.byu.edu/testZoom.rev"

Can anyone improve on this? (A low standard, I know. :) )

>
> For starters, it loads really fast so it's gotta be vector objects
> rather than a large scaled bitmap image.
>
> And given its size when you're zoomed in all the way, it would almost
> certainly exceed Rev's 4095-pixel limit on image size (do I have that
> limit correct?).
>
> I think it would require some nifty scaling algorithms, and with Flash
> doing this almost automatically and with us needing to do this in
> script, I'm having a hard time figuring out how one could do that as
> gracefully.

What about taking lots of snapshots of the image at different scales
and making it into a movie, then just using a slide to scrub through
the movie? Maybe that's cheating, but you work with what you've got.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: Another "How to do this in a Revlet?" thread

2009-10-30T10:14:54Z

On 30 Oct 2009, at 16:33, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I haven't, but I don't think it would be hard. It's just a high-
> resolution image that is continually scaled.

No it isn't - it's all vector graphics, because an image of those
pixel dimensions probably wouldn't even load in the browser. The JPEG
format only goes up to 30,000px in either dimension, and this would be
around 1,000,000,000px...

Something similar would be possible in Rev using either a series of
images for different zoom levels, or an image file for each object
plus a bunch of fancy scaling handlers, but the file size would be
correspondingly larger than the example given.

Ian
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Re: Error installing RevMedia 4.0 DP5

2009-10-30T10:11:18Z

Le 30 oct. 09 à 17:55, J. Landman Gay a écrit :

> Yves COPPE wrote:
>> Le 30 oct. 09 à 00:34, J. Landman Gay a écrit :
>>> Yves COPPE wrote:
>>>> Hi list
>>>> When I start installing revMedia 4 dp5 and after the unpacking of
>>>> the 5 pkgs, hte installing is cancelled automatically and I get
>>>> such a message :
>>>> An error occured installing the product
>>>> To inform revolution about this error, please quote error code
>>>> 43F.10FC
>>>> Please clic "try again" of "send error report" to automatically
>>>> post error information to Revolution
>>>
>>> What OS are you running?
>>>
>> Re,
>> mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 on an intel Core 2 duo macBook
>
>

Re

how can i throw away the files that are loaded to force a new downoad
When I ask to try again, it starts automatically with "unpacking1/5"

I think there could be a problem at the download time, so I'd like to
re-donwload the files again

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
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Re: Error installing RevMedia 4.0 DP5

2009-10-30T10:04:32Z

Le 30 oct. 09 à 17:55, J. Landman Gay a écrit :

re,

yes

easy install and administraor accout

Greetings.

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Re: Small update to Plugin

2009-10-30T10:01:13Z

Something seems to be wrong with the new revWebInstallerX86.app. It
shows up in the Dock, but doesn't have any window. As well as the
revWebInstaller process there is also one called Updater, and mds gets
used too. The combined CPU load is over 180%, but nothing ever comes
of it, eventually you have to force quit revWebInstaller. When you do
that, Updater starts to take about 90% CPU, so you have to use
Activity Monitor to force quit that.

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Re: Another "How to do this in a Revlet?" thread

2009-10-30T10:01:01Z

Jacque wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> This is not only cool, but this type of zooming can be instructionally
>> useful:
>>
>> <http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/>
>>
>> Anyone here pull off something like that in Rev?
>
> I haven't, but I don't think it would be hard. It's just a
> high-resolution image that is continually scaled. I'd put a scrollbar
> under the image, scripted to reset the scale of the image object, and
> that should do it. If you want smooth scaling, you'd need to continually
> rescale in a loop, in very small increments, until the target scale is
> reached.

I'm attracted to the idea that it could be easy, but I think in practice
it may be quite harder than it looks.

For starters, it loads really fast so it's gotta be vector objects
rather than a large scaled bitmap image.

And given its size when you're zoomed in all the way, it would almost
certainly exceed Rev's 4095-pixel limit on image size (do I have that
limit correct?).

I think it would require some nifty scaling algorithms, and with Flash
doing this almost automatically and with us needing to do this in
script, I'm having a hard time figuring out how one could do that as
gracefully.

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Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta

2009-10-30T09:58:21Z

Richard,

Timely question. I'm using a cascading menu/button to give the user the
option to select a video file which could reside in any of three
folders. Each folder has one or more subfolders. For example:

Video Group 1
Animals
Elephant.mov
Tiger.mov
People
Richard.mov
Video Group 2
Cars
Ford.mov
Chevy.mov
etc...

The advantage of this approach is it takes up very little room on the
screen (i.e. just one small button), but provides easy access to lots of
files.

I was about to submit this bug report (this functionality worked two
days ago, but not now), but I'd like others to test it first. I could
only test it under XP.

Start with a new stack in Media.

1. Create a popup button. It will come with three lines of data in it.

2. Run it in a browser. Should function normally... meaning, you can
select one of the three items.

3. Go back and enter this into the message box:

put return & tab & tab & "choice x" after line 1 of btn 1

4. In the development environment, "choice x" should now appear as a
sub-choice of the first menu item, and you should be able to select it.

5. Run it in a browser. When I test this now, it is no longer possible
to select any menu item, let alone "choice x".

Is that what others are finding?

Thanks.
Richard Miller

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Richard Miller wrote:
>> I've discovered some other significant (for me) change to the runtime
>> environment in the past few days. A traditional cascading menu (built
>> with the menu builder).... which worked fine yesterday during
>> runtime... no longer works today. The menu (which I dragged to the
>> center of the stack so it functions as a button with cascading
>> selections), depresses OK. The list of hierarchical selections show
>> up OK. But any attempt to actually make a selection fails.
>
> At last I've found someone else who uses cascade menus!
>
> Cascade menus were originally added as part of the old stack-based
> menu system, which few people use anymore now that we can use the
> textual contents of menu button as menu items without having to build
> a stack for those.
>
> But cascade menus remain very useful for another purpose, as flyout
> menus. Adobe and many others place such menus at the upper-right of
> their palettes, and they're useful in other contexts as well.
>
> But unfortunately, the behavior of cascade menus differs from others
> in that most menus let you click and release and the menu stays up
> until you either select one of its items or click away from it, but
> cascade menus only appear as long as the mouse is down.
>
> Also, while most menu styles render their menus using OS routines,
> cascade menus draw using the built-in emulated appearances, giving
> them a non-standard look that compounds the non-standard behavior.
>
> There are workarounds for this, but they're not straightforward to
> implement and would certainly throw off the newcomer.
>
> Jacque has noted this in the RQCC, and I've amended her request with
> additional notes:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=1338>
>
> Richard, what do you use cascade menus for?
>
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Re: Error installing RevMedia 4.0 DP5

2009-10-30T09:55:04Z

Yves COPPE wrote:

>
> Le 30 oct. 09 à 00:34, J. Landman Gay a écrit :
>
>> Yves COPPE wrote:
>>> Hi list
>>> When I start installing revMedia 4 dp5 and after the unpacking of the
>>> 5 pkgs, hte installing is cancelled automatically and I get such a
>>> message :
>>> An error occured installing the product
>>> To inform revolution about this error, please quote error code 43F.10FC
>>> Please clic "try again" of "send error report" to automatically post
>>> error information to Revolution
>>
>> What OS are you running?
>>
>
>
>
> Re,
>
> mac OS X Leopard 10.5.8 on an intel Core 2 duo macBook

I have the same machine and it installed without any problem. Did you
use the Easy Install option? Are you running it in an account with full
permissions (administrator account)?

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Re: Another "How to do this in a Revlet?" thread

2009-10-30T09:33:42Z

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> This is not only cool, but this type of zooming can be instructionally
> useful:
>
> <http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/>
>
> Anyone here pull off something like that in Rev?

I haven't, but I don't think it would be hard. It's just a
high-resolution image that is continually scaled. I'd put a scrollbar
under the image, scripted to reset the scale of the image object, and
that should do it. If you want smooth scaling, you'd need to continually
rescale in a loop, in very small increments, until the target scale is
reached.

Of course, I may be all mouth and no follow-through. I didn't actually
try it. ;)

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Re: AW: Who sends the message?

2009-10-30T09:27:52Z

Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
>
> as far as I see it, the target is always an object, but never another
> handler, who has send the message. So Jans answer was what I was looking
> for.

Yes, you're right. I thought you were looking for the object, but I see
now you wanted a handler name.

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Re: revEnterprise dp-5 / revMedia beta / revWeb beta

2009-10-30T09:27:34Z

Richard Miller wrote:
> I've discovered some other significant (for me) change to the runtime
> environment in the past few days. A traditional cascading menu (built
> with the menu builder).... which worked fine yesterday during runtime...
> no longer works today. The menu (which I dragged to the center of the
> stack so it functions as a button with cascading selections), depresses
> OK. The list of hierarchical selections show up OK. But any attempt to
> actually make a selection fails.

At last I've found someone else who uses cascade menus!

Cascade menus were originally added as part of the old stack-based menu
system, which few people use anymore now that we can use the textual
contents of menu button as menu items without having to build a stack
for those.

But cascade menus remain very useful for another purpose, as flyout
menus. Adobe and many others place such menus at the upper-right of
their palettes, and they're useful in other contexts as well.

But unfortunately, the behavior of cascade menus differs from others in
that most menus let you click and release and the menu stays up until
you either select one of its items or click away from it, but cascade
menus only appear as long as the mouse is down.

Also, while most menu styles render their menus using OS routines,
cascade menus draw using the built-in emulated appearances, giving them
a non-standard look that compounds the non-standard behavior.

There are workarounds for this, but they're not straightforward to
implement and would certainly throw off the newcomer.

Jacque has noted this in the RQCC, and I've amended her request with
additional notes:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=1338>

Richard, what do you use cascade menus for?

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Re: Small update to Plugin

2009-10-30T09:15:39Z

Thank you!
All of my little issues have been resolved and everything works great.

Regards,
David.C.

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Subject: Small update to Plugin

Dear folks,

We have just uploaded a small update to the 4.0 web plugin, fixing the
following issues:

- revletParams not working fixed
- go stack in window not working fixed
- an issue on windows causing the plugin to crash in IE if a bad 'src'
attribute is passed to the plugin
- an issue in firefox causing plugin loading to fail with the message
'unable to process revlet' in some cases
- improved mouse handling in the mozilla (firefox, opera etc.) plugin

We'd appreciate if you could download and test this latest release,
and report any issues you find here:

http://quality.runrev.com

There is a section under Engine/Build/WebPlugin for these bug reports.

Regards,

Heather

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Re: Small update to Plugin

2009-10-30T08:58:22Z

Thanks a lot for spreading the good news!

Now, i am curious to know the function of
revupdatechecker.exe that i see running
among processes in Windows Task Manager

Alejandro

Heather Nagey wrote:

We have just uploaded a small update to the 4.0 web plugin,
[snip]

Another "How to do this in a Revlet?" thread

2009-10-30T08:54:03Z

This is not only cool, but this type of zooming can be instructionally
useful:

<http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/begin/cells/scale/>

Anyone here pull off something like that in Rev?

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AW: Who sends the message?

2009-10-30T08:52:31Z

Hi Jacqueline,

as far as I see it, the target is always an object, but never another
handler, who has send the message. So Jans answer was what I was looking
for.
Thank you
Tiemo

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces@... [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces@...] Im Auftrag von J. Landman Gay
> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Oktober 2009 16:32
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Who sends the message?
>
> Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > sometimes I would like to know who is sending a message. The case: I
> have
> > some generic custom handlers on book level, which can be called from
> various
> > objects or other handlers. Is there something like the "owner" of an
> object
> > for the event hierarchy, what I can ask for, who is sending the custom
> > message?
>
> Easier than execution context is just getting "the target". The target
> is the object that started the message, and is exactly what you want.
>
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Re: Trademark symbol in a label or edit field

2009-10-30T08:42:14Z

Charles,

One more option: sometimes it is more reliable for cross-platform apps
to use html entities:

copyright symbol: ©

registered trademark symbol: ®

trademark symbol: ™

Examples:

set the htmltext of fld "copyrightNotice" to "<p>©2009</p>"
set the htmltext of fld "tradmarkNotice" to "<p>Revolution® is
a trademark of RunRev Ltd.</p>"
set the htmltext of fld "tradmemark2" to "<p>Try Revolution™
for all your programming needs!</p>"

HTH

Devin

On Oct 29, 2009, at 4:23 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

>
> Terry,
>
> Thanks! I will try it out windows to see if it shows up correctly!
>
>
> Terry Judd wrote:
>>
>> It's numToChar(168) on the Mac and numToChar(174) on Windows if
>> that's any
>> help.
>>
>> Terry...
>>
>>
>> On 30/10/09 7:18 AM, "Charles Szasz" <cszasz@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Colin!
>>>
>>> I am aware of the shortcut (Option + 2) but I did not know if
>>> Revolution
>>> would support this in fields on both the Mac and Windows. I had
>>> checked
>>> Rev's Dictionary and did not find any listing for it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Colin Holgate-2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2009, at 4:06 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you insert the trademark symbol (circle with the letter
>>>>> inside it) in
>>>>> a label or edit field in Revolution? I want to cite of a product
>>>>> with its
>>>>> trademark.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Usually there's a keyboard shortcut for doing that. On Mac it's
>>>> Option-2 () for trademark, Option-r (®) for registered mark,
>>>> Option-g
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Small update to Plugin

2009-10-30T08:37:02Z

Dear folks,

We have just uploaded a small update to the 4.0 web plugin, fixing the
following issues:

- revletParams not working fixed
- go stack in window not working fixed
- an issue on windows causing the plugin to crash in IE if a bad 'src'
attribute is passed to the plugin
- an issue in firefox causing plugin loading to fail with the message
'unable to process revlet' in some cases
- improved mouse handling in the mozilla (firefox, opera etc.) plugin

We'd appreciate if you could download and test this latest release,
and report any issues you find here:

http://quality.runrev.com

There is a section under Engine/Build/WebPlugin for these bug reports.

Regards,

Heather

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