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RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
Today I've noticed creation of the account on sr.wn which means "Jobs
Serbia". It is obviously that it is an account from some portal which
is used for job advertisement. Instantly I've got an idea: to offer to
that portal to make one page per day for linking the job offerings. It
is useful and it is relevant to many Wikinews readers, as well as it
may make Wikinews more relevant to its readers.
But, I've started to think further... To allow original advertisements
or to require linking to a relevant site? For some time I was thinking
that it is better not to allow original content related to
advertisement, but, after all, I think that it is about wiki and wiki
should allow that. At last, advertisement is the part of almost all
daily newspapers and why not to put it on Wikinews, too?
Further, advertisement may be about a lot of fields, not just about
jobs. It may be about housing, cars, whatever...
So, the question is where to stop? At the beginning and not do that at
all or to allow every [legal] advertisement? Or something between?
At one side, it is not so relevant at the English language area: there
is Craigslist for that. In many other language areas such portals
don't exist and they don't have a lot of chances for success because
there are not enough of users who would be willing to use one
specialized site for that kind of advertisement.
At the other side, it is relevant as a concept for en.wn and other
Wikinews editions. If it becomes successful as a model, it may bring
new quality and many more users.
You may guess that I am very interested for that idea :) However, I
think that it is very possible that I am inside of a small minority.
Tell me what do you think about that and, more important, which
problems may we have? (BTW, yes, it is about spreading free
information and I don't think that it is against WMF's goals.)
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
Can you elaborate on what you mean? News articles related to
advertisements, or pages that are solely advertising? Is there money
involved, or just free advertising space for anyone at the rate of one
page per day? I have the feeling that anything advertising-related is
going to find a deep wellspring of objection with the wider Wikimedia
community, but perhaps if you can expand on how it relates to adding
useful content...?
Nathan
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Nathan < nawrich@...> wrote:
> Can you elaborate on what you mean? News articles related to
> advertisements, or pages that are solely advertising? Is there money
> involved, or just free advertising space for anyone at the rate of one
> page per day? I have the feeling that anything advertising-related is
> going to find a deep wellspring of objection with the wider Wikimedia
> community, but perhaps if you can expand on how it relates to adding
> useful content...?
It would be for free (I mentioned "free" inside of the topic), as the
most simple advertisements are usually for free inside of the
newspapers.
To be honest, I don't have a precise idea. I've started to think about
advertisements which are useful to the most of Wikinews readers, like
job offerings, buying or selling [used] cars, hotel/hostel prices and
so on are. I am not talking about advertisement for money which
intention is to promote some product or so. (I hope I've defined that
clear.)
The first idea was about listing job offerings (one page per day) from
one site initially, then from other such sites. However, continuum of
thoughts brought me to the broader definition of advertisement
(buying/selling, listing various prices and so on).
However, if the idea develops, it is possible to have one page per
advertisement: "I am selling a Peugeot 207 one year old [[image:photo
of my peugeot 207 on commons.jpg]] for XX EUR. My phone is xxx.xxx.".
(BTW, privacy reasons are the same as they are on other wikis and on
other advertisement places: abuse is always possible.)
Besides the primary reason -- making Wikinews more useful for readers
-- it may bring a lot of free media to Commons. Possibly, some other
benefits, too.
I understand that there are a lot of possible problems and I would
like to hear them. But, again, I would like a kind of constructive
discussion about possible problems, not an ideological discussion.
(Again, this is not about payed advertisement.)
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 00:07 +0100, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Today I've noticed creation of the account on sr.wn which means "Jobs
> Serbia". It is obviously that it is an account from some portal which
> is used for job advertisement. Instantly I've got an idea: to offer to
> that portal to make one page per day for linking the job offerings. It
> is useful and it is relevant to many Wikinews readers, as well as it
> may make Wikinews more relevant to its readers.
>
> But, I've started to think further... To allow original advertisements
> or to require linking to a relevant site? For some time I was thinking
> that it is better not to allow original content related to
> advertisement, but, after all, I think that it is about wiki and wiki
> should allow that. At last, advertisement is the part of almost all
> daily newspapers and why not to put it on Wikinews, too?
>
> Further, advertisement may be about a lot of fields, not just about
> jobs. It may be about housing, cars, whatever...
>
> So, the question is where to stop? At the beginning and not do that at
> all or to allow every [legal] advertisement? Or something between?
>
> At one side, it is not so relevant at the English language area: there
> is Craigslist for that. In many other language areas such portals
> don't exist and they don't have a lot of chances for success because
> there are not enough of users who would be willing to use one
> specialized site for that kind of advertisement.
>
> At the other side, it is relevant as a concept for en.wn and other
> Wikinews editions. If it becomes successful as a model, it may bring
> new quality and many more users.
>
> You may guess that I am very interested for that idea :) However, I
> think that it is very possible that I am inside of a small minority.
> Tell me what do you think about that and, more important, which
> problems may we have? (BTW, yes, it is about spreading free
> information and I don't think that it is against WMF's goals.)
It is an interesting idea, but would be pretty much against policy in
terms of putting it in the main namespace. Really, I don't think any of
the WN projects have the resources or knowledge to manage advertising
job vacancies. You could end up directing people to fishing expeditions
where their personal data is harvested for identity fraud.
So, I'd say, not in line with project or WMF principles. Cannot be
effectively policed. Should not be done.
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I think the idea of allowing advertisements of things which are free, and allowing it for free, sounds great. I agree that it would bring more people into the project. And it would make it seem more similar to other news services. I'm not so sure about allowing, for free, advertising things which themselves aren't free.
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I'm going to have to agree with Brian on this one. It just steps over too many lines for me. #Terin
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil@...> wrote:
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 00:07 +0100, Milos Rancic wrote:
> Today I've noticed creation of the account on sr.wn which means "Jobs
> Serbia". It is obviously that it is an account from some portal which
> is used for job advertisement. Instantly I've got an idea: to offer to
> that portal to make one page per day for linking the job offerings. It
> is useful and it is relevant to many Wikinews readers, as well as it
> may make Wikinews more relevant to its readers.
>
> But, I've started to think further... To allow original advertisements
> or to require linking to a relevant site? For some time I was thinking
> that it is better not to allow original content related to
> advertisement, but, after all, I think that it is about wiki and wiki
> should allow that. At last, advertisement is the part of almost all
> daily newspapers and why not to put it on Wikinews, too?
>
> Further, advertisement may be about a lot of fields, not just about
> jobs. It may be about housing, cars, whatever...
>
> So, the question is where to stop? At the beginning and not do that at
> all or to allow every [legal] advertisement? Or something between?
>
> At one side, it is not so relevant at the English language area: there
> is Craigslist for that. In many other language areas such portals
> don't exist and they don't have a lot of chances for success because
> there are not enough of users who would be willing to use one
> specialized site for that kind of advertisement.
>
> At the other side, it is relevant as a concept for en.wn and other
> Wikinews editions. If it becomes successful as a model, it may bring
> new quality and many more users.
>
> You may guess that I am very interested for that idea :) However, I
> think that it is very possible that I am inside of a small minority.
> Tell me what do you think about that and, more important, which
> problems may we have? (BTW, yes, it is about spreading free
> information and I don't think that it is against WMF's goals.)
terms of putting it in the main namespace. Really, I don't think any of
the WN projects have the resources or knowledge to manage advertising
job vacancies. You could end up directing people to fishing expeditions
where their personal data is harvested for identity fraud.
So, I'd say, not in line with project or WMF principles. Cannot be
effectively policed. Should not be done.
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I'm also with brian and Terin. I just can't see how it fits in with
either the wmfs aims or wikinews. Think of news Sources like the BBC,
they have nothing like this. even sky and CNN don't, although they
display ads alongside for money, that is something we are definitely
not going to be doing.
Regards
On Wednesday, November 4, 2009, Terin Stock < terin.stock@...> wrote:
> I'm going to have to agree with Brian on this one. It just steps over too many lines for me.#Terin
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Brian McNeil < brian.mcneil@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', ' brian.mcneil@...');>> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 00:07 +0100, Milos Rancic wrote:
>> Today I've noticed creation of the account on sr.wn which means "Jobs
>> Serbia". It is obviously that it is an account from some portal which
>> is used for job advertisement. Instantly I've got an idea: to offer to
>> that portal to make one page per day for linking the job offerings. It
>> is useful and it is relevant to many Wikinews readers, as well as it
>> may make Wikinews more relevant to its readers.
>>
>> But, I've started to think further... To allow original advertisements
>> or to require linking to a relevant site? For some time I was thinking
>> that it is better not to allow original content related to
>> advertisement, but, after all, I think that it is about wiki and wiki
>> should allow that. At last, advertisement is the part of almost all
>> daily newspapers and why not to put it on Wikinews, too?
>>
>> Further, advertisement may be about a lot of fields, not just about
>> jobs. It may be about housing, cars, whatever...
>>
>> So, the question is where to stop? At the beginning and not do that at
>> all or to allow every [legal] advertisement? Or something between?
>>
>> At one side, it is not so relevant at the English language area: there
>> is Craigslist for that. In many other language areas such portals
>> don't exist and they don't have a lot of chances for success because
>> there are not enough of users who would be willing to use one
>> specialized site for that kind of advertisement.
>>
>> At the other side, it is relevant as a concept for en.wn and other
>> Wikinews editions. If it becomes successful as a model, it may bring
>> new quality and many more users.
>>
>> You may guess that I am very interested for that idea :) However, I
>> think that it is very possible that I am inside of a small minority.
>> Tell me what do you think about that and, more important, which
>> problems may we have? (BTW, yes, it is about spreading free
>> information and I don't think that it is against WMF's goals.)
>
> It is an interesting idea, but would be pretty much against policy in
> terms of putting it in the main namespace. Really, I don't think any of
> the WN projects have the resources or knowledge to manage advertising
> job vacancies. You could end up directing people to fishing expeditions
> where their personal data is harvested for identity fraud.
>
> So, I'd say, not in line with project or WMF principles. Cannot be
> effectively policed. Should not be done.
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
Broadcast news does certainly have advertisements. What do you mean?
Cable news is paid for by subscription, which is merely another form of payment.
Neither are "free" of monetary considerations.
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I'm also with brian and Terin. I just can't see how it fits in with
either the wmfs aims or wikinews. Think of news Sources like the BBC,
they have nothing like this. even sky and CNN don't, although they
display ads alongside for money, that is something we are definitely
not going to be doing.
Regards
On Wednesday, November 4, 2009, Terin Stock <terin.stock@...> wrote:
> I'm going to have to agree with Brian on this one. It just steps over too many
lines for me.#Terin
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil@... <javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'brian.mcneil@...');>> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 00:07 +0100, Milos Rancic wrote:
>> Today I've noticed creation of the account on sr.wn which means "Jobs
>> Serbia". It is obviously that it is an account from some portal which
>> is used for job advertisement. Instantly I've got an idea: to offer to
>> that portal to make one page per day for linking the job offerings. It
>> is useful and it is relevant to many Wikinews readers, as well as it
>> may make Wikinews more relevant to its readers.
>>
>> But, I've started to think further... To allow original advertisements
>> or to require linking to a relevant site? For some time I was thinking
>> that it is better not to allow original content related to
>> advertisement, but, after all, I think that it is about wiki and wiki
>> should allow that. At last, advertisement is the part of almost all
>> daily newspapers and why not to put it on Wikinews, too?
>>
>> Further, advertisement may be about a lot of fields, not just about
>> jobs. It may be about housing, cars, whatever...
>>
>> So, the question is where to stop? At the beginning and not do that at
>> all or to allow every [legal] advertisement? Or something between?
>>
>> At one side, it is not so relevant at the English language area: there
>> is Craigslist for that. In many other language areas such portals
>> don't exist and they don't have a lot of chances for success because
>> there are not enough of users who would be willing to use one
>> specialized site for that kind of advertisement.
>>
>> At the other side, it is relevant as a concept for en.wn and other
>> Wikinews editions. If it becomes successful as a model, it may bring
>> new quality and many more users.
>>
>> You may guess that I am very interested for that idea :) However, I
>> think that it is very possible that I am inside of a small minority.
>> Tell me what do you think about that and, more important, which
>> problems may we have? (BTW, yes, it is about spreading free
>> information and I don't think that it is against WMF's goals.)
>
> It is an interesting idea, but would be pretty much against policy in
> terms of putting it in the main namespace. Really, I don't think any of
> the WN projects have the resources or knowledge to manage advertising
> job vacancies. You could end up directing people to fishing expeditions
> where their personal data is harvested for identity fraud.
>
> So, I'd say, not in line with project or WMF principles. Cannot be
> effectively policed. Should not be done.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'brian.mcneil@...');>>
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 22:56 -0500, wjhonson@... wrote:
> Broadcast news does certainly have advertisements. What do you mean?
> Cable news is paid for by subscription, which is merely another form
> of payment.
> Neither are "free" of monetary considerations.
Public-service broadcasting does not have advertisments. This is what
Wikinews is functionally equivalent to.
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
Public-service broadcasting does have ads. For one they advertise themselves, they also advertise their own sponsors ("Paid for by the Annenburg Group"... and so on).
But the sort of advertisement of which we're speaking isn't that sort anyway. Broadcast media forces the consumer to watch it from beginning to end, you can't flip back and forth through the pages. Newspring advertisement can be completely ignored, not read at all, you can't do that with broadcast advertisement except to turn off the television when the ads come on.
So I think we're not like a broadcast at all. We're like a print vehicle, where a reader can flip from page 2 to page 15 then back to page 7 at their whim. The advertisements are not in-your-face.
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On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 22:56 -0500, wjhonson@... wrote:
> Broadcast news does certainly have advertisements. What do you mean?
> Cable news is paid for by subscription, which is merely another form
> of payment.
> Neither are "free" of monetary considerations.
Public-service broadcasting does not have advertisments. This is what
Wikinews is functionally equivalent to.
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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 00:06 -0500, wjhonson@... wrote:
> Public-service broadcasting does have ads. For one they advertise
> themselves, they also advertise their own sponsors ("Paid for by the
> Annenburg Group"... and so on).
>
> But the sort of advertisement of which we're speaking isn't that sort
> anyway. Broadcast media forces the consumer to watch it from
> beginning to end, you can't flip back and forth through the pages.
> Newspring advertisement can be completely ignored, not read at all,
> you can't do that with broadcast advertisement except to turn off the
> television when the ads come on.
>
> So I think we're not like a broadcast at all. We're like a print
> vehicle, where a reader can flip from page 2 to page 15 then back to
> page 7 at their whim. The advertisements are not in-your-face.
I suggest - before anyone else wastes *any* time on this they read the
WMF and Wikinews mission statements quite carefully.
This can't be done as part of a WMF project - I'm surprised anyone even
proposed it.
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The community decides what it wants and what it doesn't want.
The community can decide to change what it wants. And the voice of the community supercedes all other things.
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On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 00:06 -0500, wjhonson@... wrote:
> Public-service broadcasting does have ads. For one they advertise
> themselves, they also advertise their own sponsors ("Paid for by the
> Annenburg Group"... and so on).
>
> But the sort of advertisement of which we're speaking isn't that sort
> anyway. Broadcast media forces the consumer to watch it from
> beginning to end, you can't flip back and forth through the pages.
> Newspring advertisement can be completely ignored, not read at all,
> you can't do that with broadcast advertisement except to turn off the
> television when the ads come on.
>
> So I think we're not like a broadcast at all. We're like a print
> vehicle, where a reader can flip from page 2 to page 15 then back to
> page 7 at their whim. The advertisements are not in-your-face.
I suggest - before anyone else wastes *any* time on this they read the
WMF and Wikinews mission statements quite carefully.
This can't be done as part of a WMF project - I'm surprised anyone even
proposed it.
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I'm also with brian and Terin. I just can't see how it fits in with
either the wmfs aims or wikinews. Think of news Sources like the BBC,
they have nothing like this. even sky and CNN don't, although they
display ads alongside for money, that is something we are definitely
not going to be doing.
Regards
On Wednesday, November 4, 2009, Terin Stock < terin.stock@...> wrote:
> I'm going to have to agree with Brian on this one. It just steps over too many lines for me.#Terin
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Brian McNeil < brian.mcneil@... <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', ' brian.mcneil@...');>> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 00:07 +0100, Milos Rancic wrote:
>> Today I've noticed creation of the account on sr.wn which means "Jobs
>> Serbia". It is obviously that it is an account from some portal which
>> is used for job advertisement. Instantly I've got an idea: to offer to
>> that portal to make one page per day for linking the job offerings. It
>> is useful and it is relevant to many Wikinews readers, as well as it
>> may make Wikinews more relevant to its readers.
>>
>> But, I've started to think further... To allow original advertisements
>> or to require linking to a relevant site? For some time I was thinking
>> that it is better not to allow original content related to
>> advertisement, but, after all, I think that it is about wiki and wiki
>> should allow that. At last, advertisement is the part of almost all
>> daily newspapers and why not to put it on Wikinews, too?
>>
>> Further, advertisement may be about a lot of fields, not just about
>> jobs. It may be about housing, cars, whatever...
>>
>> So, the question is where to stop? At the beginning and not do that at
>> all or to allow every [legal] advertisement? Or something between?
>>
>> At one side, it is not so relevant at the English language area: there
>> is Craigslist for that. In many other language areas such portals
>> don't exist and they don't have a lot of chances for success because
>> there are not enough of users who would be willing to use one
>> specialized site for that kind of advertisement.
>>
>> At the other side, it is relevant as a concept for en.wn and other
>> Wikinews editions. If it becomes successful as a model, it may bring
>> new quality and many more users.
>>
>> You may guess that I am very interested for that idea :) However, I
>> think that it is very possible that I am inside of a small minority.
>> Tell me what do you think about that and, more important, which
>> problems may we have? (BTW, yes, it is about spreading free
>> information and I don't think that it is against WMF's goals.)
>
> It is an interesting idea, but would be pretty much against policy in
> terms of putting it in the main namespace. Really, I don't think any of
> the WN projects have the resources or knowledge to manage advertising
> job vacancies. You could end up directing people to fishing expeditions
> where their personal data is harvested for identity fraud.
>
> So, I'd say, not in line with project or WMF principles. Cannot be
> effectively policed. Should not be done.
>
>
>
>
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Brian McNeil
< brian.mcneil@...> wrote:
Brian, did you notice that it was proposed for the Serbian Wikinews,
not English? The en.wikinews mission statement is relevant as a point
of comparison, but isn't binding anywhere else (and is subject to
revision even on the English project, following discussion). Milos
asked for a discussion, and there is nothing wrong with that. It makes
sense to discuss both practical and philosophical implications, but
there's no need to try to shut the discussion down when others find it
worth kicking around.
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 11:38 -0400, Nathan wrote:
> Brian, did you notice that it was proposed for the Serbian Wikinews,
> not English? The en.wikinews mission statement is relevant as a point
> of comparison, but isn't binding anywhere else (and is subject to
> revision even on the English project, following discussion). Milos
> asked for a discussion, and there is nothing wrong with that. It makes
> sense to discuss both practical and philosophical implications, but
> there's no need to try to shut the discussion down when others find it
> worth kicking around.
Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies I've
left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it - the WMF will
withdraw approval for that mission statement and demand it be revised.
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In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcneil@... writes:
Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies I've
left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it - the WMF will
withdraw approval for that mission statement and demand it be revised.>>
Then we will elect new Foundation members, which is our right.
We'll take the old ones out behind the barn and beat them.
The community drives the rules. The rules do not drive the community.
Do you have any other examples of the Foundation actually "demanding" something that the community was against? Or demanding it stop something that the community was for? I can't. This line of attack undermines the community as the ultimate force behind all results. We do not work for the foundation. The foundation works for us.
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
Yes. Wikinews shall overthrow the foundation board, us and our 40 active users. That would be fun. -Jon On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:59, <WJhonson@...> wrote:
In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcneil@... writes:
Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies I've
left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it - the WMF will
withdraw approval for that mission statement and demand it be revised.>>
We'll take the old ones out behind the barn and beat them.
The community drives the rules. The rules do not drive the community.
Do you have any other examples of the Foundation actually "demanding" something that the community was against? Or demanding it stop something that the community was for? I can't. This line of attack undermines the community as the ultimate force behind all results. We do not work for the foundation. The foundation works for us.
Will
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 14:59 -0500, WJhonson@... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:47:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> brian.mcneil@... writes:
>
>
> > Yes I did. It still violates all the WMF principles and policies
> > I've
> > left above. If the Serbian mission statement allows it - the WMF
> > will
> > withdraw approval for that mission statement and demand it be
> > revised.>>
>
>
> Then we will elect new Foundation members, which is our right.
> We'll take the old ones out behind the barn and beat them.
Good luck with that. You're massively outnumbered by the Wikipedians who
will find any WMF project running adverts utterly unacceptable.
>
> The community drives the rules. The rules do not drive the community.
> Do you have any other examples of the Foundation actually "demanding"
> something that the community was against? Or demanding it stop
> something that the community was for? I can't. This line of attack
> undermines the community as the ultimate force behind all results. We
> do not work for the foundation. The foundation works for us.
Go study up on all the documents relating to the rules, the policies,
the mission statements, the whole history and story of the Wikimedia
Foundation.
If it existed to serve whatever the hell the community works it would
allow members - it doesn't. You know why? To *protect the mission*. That
mission is not there for others to exploit for commercial purposes.
And you want an example of where they went against the community? Look
at Wikinews and fair use of images. Not only was there little to no
consideration of what contributors wanted (which was *within* the law).
There were plenty of eager footsoldiers ready to make us live by rules
we had little to no say in the formulation of.
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Re: RfC: Free advertisements on Wikinews
In a message dated 11/4/2009 12:12:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, brian.mcneil@... writes:
If it existed to serve whatever the hell the community works it would
allow members - it doesn't. You know why? To *protect the mission*. That
mission is not there for others to exploit for commercial purposes.>>
Anyone can run for the board.
What do you mean?
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