Ripping CDs

[James Tyrer]

Regarding the previous thread.

Is Duncan correct that there isn't any way to rip CDs in KDE-4.3.x?

Specifically that there is no KDE-4 front end for CD-Paranoia? :-(

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I added this: http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/File_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks
to userbase this evening, maybe it would fit you?

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2009/10/31 James Tyrer <jrtyrer@...>

Regarding the previous thread.

Is Duncan correct that there isn't any way to rip CDs in KDE-4.3.x?

Specifically that there is no KDE-4 front end for CD-Paranoia? :-(

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[Duncan-2]

Thelwyn posted on Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:41:25 +0100 as excerpted:

> I added this:
> http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/
File_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks
> to userbase this evening, maybe it would fit you?

[wrapped link]

Navigate to this CD... where?  It can't be mounted, navigate to its
device file?  Using some ioslave (media:/ maybe?)?

I checked the image but I can't read the language so if it's there it
didn't help me.

If there's no answer, I'll experiment a bit, later 2nite, and maybe add
that userbase account I've been thinking about and update the wiki.

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Thelwyn posted on Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:41:25 +0100 as excerpted:

> I added this:
> http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/
File_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks
> to userbase this evening, maybe it would fit you?

[wrapped link]

Navigate to this CD... where?  It can't be mounted, navigate to its
device file?  Using some ioslave (media:/ maybe?)?

 

Well last time I tried it (that is last week, I showed it to a friend), the CD was auto-mounted as "Volume" (it appeared in the "Places" of Dolphin)
But now when I insert a CD, it's recognized as a plugged device, and I get a "Volume" in Dolphin "places", but nothing shows up when I click on it... I wonder what could have changed in the same time.

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[Steven P. Ulrick-7]

> > Thelwyn posted on Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:41:25 +0100 as excerpted:
> >
> > > I added this:
> > > http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/
> >
File_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks<http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/%0AFile_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks>

> > > to userbase this evening, maybe it would fit you?
> >
> > [wrapped link]
> >
> > Navigate to this CD... where?  It can't be mounted, navigate to its
> > device file?  Using some ioslave (media:/ maybe?)?
> >
>
> Well last time I tried it (that is last week, I showed it to a friend), the
> CD was auto-mounted as "Volume" (it appeared in the "Places" of Dolphin)
> But now when I insert a CD, it's recognized as a plugged device, and I get a
> "Volume" in Dolphin "places", but nothing shows up when I click on it... I
> wonder what could have changed in the same time.

I've never tried this feature, because I personally have no need for it, but I
just tried it for kicks.  Here is what happened:
1. My "Device Notifier" plasmoid popped up and gave me three options of what to
do with the disc that I had just inserted.  I chose to "Do nothing"
2. I then opened up Dolphin and looked at Dolphin's "Places"  I clicked on the
one that said "Volume"
3. I then chose a random track, right clicked and chose "Copy To" my home
directory.  It worked perfectly.  It appears that you can even just drag and
drop the desired file/files.  Very Cool!

Just for kicks I'm going to try copying the other format choices that I am given
as well...  The results were perfect...

So, at least for me, it "Just Works..."  Here is a screenshot of what Dolphin
looked like when I clicked on "Volume":
http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/Fedora11-ScreenShot-001.jpg

Again, on my end, this just works perfectly :)

Steven P. Ulrick

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[James Tyrer]

Steven P. Ulrick wrote:

>>> Thelwyn posted on Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:41:25 +0100 as excerpted:
>>>
>>>> I added this:
>>>> http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/
> File_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks<http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/%0AFile_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks>
>>>> to userbase this evening, maybe it would fit you?
>>> [wrapped link]
>>>
>>> Navigate to this CD... where?  It can't be mounted, navigate to its
>>> device file?  Using some ioslave (media:/ maybe?)?
>>>
>> Well last time I tried it (that is last week, I showed it to a friend), the
>> CD was auto-mounted as "Volume" (it appeared in the "Places" of Dolphin)
>> But now when I insert a CD, it's recognized as a plugged device, and I get a
>> "Volume" in Dolphin "places", but nothing shows up when I click on it... I
>> wonder what could have changed in the same time.
>
> I've never tried this feature, because I personally have no need for it, but I
> just tried it for kicks.  Here is what happened:
> 1. My "Device Notifier" plasmoid popped up and gave me three options of what to
> do with the disc that I had just inserted.  I chose to "Do nothing"
> 2. I then opened up Dolphin and looked at Dolphin's "Places"  I clicked on the
> one that said "Volume"
> 3. I then chose a random track, right clicked and chose "Copy To" my home
> directory.  It worked perfectly.  It appears that you can even just drag and
> drop the desired file/files.  Very Cool!
>
> Just for kicks I'm going to try copying the other format choices that I am given
> as well...  The results were perfect...
>
> So, at least for me, it "Just Works..."  Here is a screenshot of what Dolphin
> looked like when I clicked on "Volume":
> http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/Fedora11-ScreenShot-001.jpg
>
> Again, on my end, this just works perfectly :)
>

"just works" in not a good thing unless the configuration is totally
documented.

Perhaps this is simple.  What is the URL for "Volume"?

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[Duncan-2]

James Tyrer posted on Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:43:43 -0700 as excerpted:

> Steven P. Ulrick wrote:
>>>> Thelwyn posted on Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:41:25 +0100 as excerpted:
>>>>
>>>>> I added this:
>>>>> http://userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/
>> File_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks<http://
userbase.kde.org/Tutorials/%
0AFile_Management#Encode_and_copy_audio_CD_tracks>

>>>>> to userbase this evening, maybe it would fit you?
>>>> [wrapped link]
>>>>
>>>> Navigate to this CD... where?  It can't be mounted, navigate to its
>>>> device file?  Using some ioslave (media:/ maybe?)?
>>>>
>>> Well last time I tried it (that is last week, I showed it to a
>>> friend), the CD was auto-mounted as "Volume" (it appeared in the
>>> "Places" of Dolphin) But now when I insert a CD, it's recognized as a
>>> plugged device, and I get a "Volume" in Dolphin "places", but nothing
>>> shows up when I click on it... I wonder what could have changed in the
>>> same time.
>>
>> I've never tried this feature, because I personally have no need for
>> it, but I just tried it for kicks.  Here is what happened: 1. My
>> "Device Notifier" plasmoid popped up and gave me three options of what
>> to do with the disc that I had just inserted.  I chose to "Do nothing"
>> 2. I then opened up Dolphin and looked at Dolphin's "Places"  I clicked
>> on the one that said "Volume"
>> 3. I then chose a random track, right clicked and chose "Copy To" my
>> home directory.  It worked perfectly.  It appears that you can even
>> just drag and drop the desired file/files.  Very Cool!
>>
>> Just for kicks I'm going to try copying the other format choices that I
>> am given as well...  The results were perfect...
>>
>> So, at least for me, it "Just Works..."  Here is a screenshot of what
>> Dolphin looked like when I clicked on "Volume":
>> http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/Fedora11-ScreenShot-001.jpg
>>
>> Again, on my end, this just works perfectly :)
>>
> "just works" in not a good thing unless the configuration is totally
> documented.
>
> Perhaps this is simple.  What is the URL for "Volume"?

It *IS* the kioslave (I was calling it ioslave earlier, it's kde i/o-
slave, kioslave for sort, IIRC)!

The device shows up, but nothing extra is actually mounted.  I apparently
don't have whatever kde package includes that full ioslave here, as it
doesn't actually have any "subdirs" or files, but "volume" does indeed
show up in dolphin, and clicking on it loads it as "audiocd:" or
"audiocd:/", which would be that ioslave.

I was almost sure that ioslave had been ported to kde4, but I hadn't seen
it in action in dolphin or konqueror, so I wasn't sure.  But between the
upthread and the incomplete version I just saw here, that's gotta be what
it is, and yes, it's just as I said, and ioslave "virtual" filesystem,
not actually mounted anywhere and apparently not available outside of
anything that knows about and can use kde's kioslaves.

Given that, it's likely that a command can be made for dolphin to open at
the audiocd:/ kioslave location, and that command loaded as an action
option in the device notifier popup window.  It just doesn't have one by
default.

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[Martin (KDE)]

Hallo

Am Samstag, 31. Oktober 2009 schrieb James Tyrer:
> Regarding the previous thread.
>
> Is Duncan correct that there isn't any way to rip CDs in KDE-4.3.x?

No

>
> Specifically that there is no KDE-4 front end for CD-Paranoia? :-(
>

There is audex (http://opensource.maniatek.de/audex), a little app to
rip audio CDs using cd-paranoia to ogg, mp3 ...

Martin
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On Saturday 31 October 2009 02:43:43 James Tyrer wrote:
> > I've never tried this feature, because I personally have no need for it,
> > but I  just tried it for kicks.  Here is what happened:
> > 1. My "Device Notifier" plasmoid popped up and gave me three options of
> > what to  do with the disc that I had just inserted.  I chose to "Do
> > nothing"

Actually, if you ignore the device notifier, the result is the same ;-)

> > 2. I then opened up Dolphin and looked at Dolphin's "Places"  I
> > clicked on the one that said "Volume"
> > 3. I then chose a random track, right clicked and chose "Copy To" my
> > home  directory.  It worked perfectly.  It appears that you can even just
> > drag and drop the desired file/files.  Very Cool!
> >
> > Just for kicks I'm going to try copying the other format choices that I
> > am given  as well...  The results were perfect...
> >
> > So, at least for me, it "Just Works..."  Here is a screenshot of what
> > Dolphin  looked like when I clicked on "Volume":
> > http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/Fedora11-ScreenShot-001.jpg
> >
> > Again, on my end, this just works perfectly :)
> >
>
> "just works" in not a good thing unless the configuration is totally
> documented.
>
> Perhaps this is simple.  What is the URL for "Volume"?
>

James, this is about ripping in Dolphin.  The Volume icon appears in your

Places list, and has an audioCD icon together with the name.  Remember that in
Dolphin, if you click just to the right of the breadcrumb trail you see the
url - in this case it is audiocd:/, which I assume is a hal-controlled
mounting.

It's so simple and intuitive, that once you've read about its existence, as in
the userbase article, it really doesn't need any more documentation.

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[James Tyrer]

Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Saturday 31 October 2009 02:43:43 James Tyrer wrote:
>>> I've never tried this feature, because I personally have no need for it,
>>> but I  just tried it for kicks.  Here is what happened:
>>> 1. My "Device Notifier" plasmoid popped up and gave me three options of
>>> what to  do with the disc that I had just inserted.  I chose to "Do
>>> nothing"
>
> Actually, if you ignore the device notifier, the result is the same ;-)
>
>>> 2. I then opened up Dolphin and looked at Dolphin's "Places"  I
>>> clicked on the one that said "Volume"
>>> 3. I then chose a random track, right clicked and chose "Copy To" my
>>> home  directory.  It worked perfectly.  It appears that you can even just
>>> drag and drop the desired file/files.  Very Cool!
>>>
>>> Just for kicks I'm going to try copying the other format choices that I
>>> am given  as well...  The results were perfect...
>>>
>>> So, at least for me, it "Just Works..."  Here is a screenshot of what
>>> Dolphin  looked like when I clicked on "Volume":
>>> http://www.afolkey2.net/~steve/Fedora11-ScreenShot-001.jpg
>>>
>>> Again, on my end, this just works perfectly :)
>>>
>> "just works" in not a good thing unless the configuration is totally
>> documented.
>>
>> Perhaps this is simple.  What is the URL for "Volume"?
>>
> James, this is about ripping in Dolphin.  The Volume icon appears in your
> Places list, and has an audioCD icon together with the name.  Remember that in
> Dolphin, if you click just to the right of the breadcrumb trail you see the
> url - in this case it is audiocd:/, which I assume is a hal-controlled
> mounting.
>
> It's so simple and intuitive, that once you've read about its existence, as in
> the userbase article, it really doesn't need any more documentation.
>

You just don't get it!  But, yet you continue to offer advice from the
PC (Politically Correct) La La Land.

When you need more documentation is when something doesn't work!

Unfortunately, KDE is becoming like MS-Windows.  It is supposed to just
work, but when it doesn't even their product support staff can't seem to
figure out why.  Perhaps this isn't that bad yet, but as Duncan pointed
out, this is probably dependent on HAL configuration and that that is
very difficult although there is some documentation.

In KDE-3 the KIOslave for Audio CDs didn't require anything, you just
opened it and it worked.  Now we have something that is supposedly
simpler since you don't have to enter a URL or open "System" you just
click on the icon that has appeared in the Places list.  But what do you
do when it doesn't appear.  Certainly your condescending diatribe isn't
going to fix the problem.

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On Saturday 31 October 2009 22:55:23 James Tyrer wrote:

> You just don't get it!  But, yet you continue to offer advice from the
> PC (Politically Correct) La La Land.
>
> When you need more documentation is when something doesn't work!
>
> Unfortunately, KDE is becoming like MS-Windows.  It is supposed to just
> work, but when it doesn't even their product support staff can't seem to
> figure out why.  Perhaps this isn't that bad yet, but as Duncan pointed
> out, this is probably dependent on HAL configuration and that that is
> very difficult although there is some documentation.
>
> In KDE-3 the KIOslave for Audio CDs didn't require anything, you just
> opened it and it worked.  Now we have something that is supposedly
> simpler since you don't have to enter a URL or open "System" you just
> click on the icon that has appeared in the Places list.  But what do you
> do when it doesn't appear.  Certainly your condescending diatribe isn't
> going to fix the problem.
>

No, I just don't get it.  I don't get why most of the world can do things that

you say 'doesn't work'.  I don't see anything in what I wrote that could be
considered 'condescending diatribe', so I'll ignore the rest of what you
wrote.

When I write without saying where the information came from it's because it is
my experience.  In other words, 'it works for me'.  If I reply from hearsay, I
say so.

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[James Tyrer]

Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Saturday 31 October 2009 22:55:23 James Tyrer wrote:
>> You just don't get it!  But, yet you continue to offer advice from
>> the PC (Politically Correct) La La Land.
>>
>> When you need more documentation is when something doesn't work!
>>
>> Unfortunately, KDE is becoming like MS-Windows.  It is supposed to
>> just work, but when it doesn't even their product support staff
>> can't seem to figure out why.  Perhaps this isn't that bad yet, but
>> as Duncan pointed out, this is probably dependent on HAL
>> configuration and that that is very difficult although there is
>> some documentation.
>>
>> In KDE-3 the KIOslave for Audio CDs didn't require anything, you
>> just opened it and it worked.  Now we have something that is
>> supposedly simpler since you don't have to enter a URL or open
>> "System" you just click on the icon that has appeared in the Places
>> list.  But what do you do when it doesn't appear.  Certainly your
>> condescending diatribe isn't going to fix the problem.
>>
> No, I just don't get it.  I don't get why most of the world can do
> things that you say 'doesn't work'.

I didn't say that it didn't work.  That is apparently what you don't
get.  I said that I didn't have it working.  Since it does work, I am
presuming that it needs some configuration to function.

> I don't see anything in what I wrote that could be considered
> 'condescending diatribe', so I'll ignore the rest of what you wrote.
>
You belittled me.  That is condescension.  You act like I am at best a
newbie and at worst stupid and incompetent.  I assure you that this is
not the case.  I can get any software to work (including OS/360) if I
have the documentation to read.

> When I write without saying where the information came from it's
> because it is my experience.  In other words, 'it works for me'.  If
> I reply from hearsay, I say so.
>
Don't you understand that all you are saying is that it functions on
your system.  You described how it should work, and that is somewhat
helpful, but to say that because it is so simple to use when the system
is properly configured and to belittle me because I would like some
documentation on how to configure it makes very little sense.  You said
that I could obtain that URL which I wanted because I do not have it
functioning by doing something that would only provide it IF IT WERE
FUNCTIONING.

You totally missed my point which is that I need to documentation to
configure my system.  Telling me how it would work (in a condescending
tone) if my system (specifically HAL if I understand Duncan) was
configured correctly is simply insulting.

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On Sunday 01 November 2009 22:29:15 James Tyrer wrote:
> You totally missed my point which is that I need to documentation to
> configure my system.
>
No configuration is required to make this work, so I assume that it is some
change you have already made to your system that is stopping it working.

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[Duncan-2]

Anne Wilson posted on Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:06:02 +0000 as excerpted:

> On Sunday 01 November 2009 22:29:15 James Tyrer wrote:
>> You totally missed my point which is that I need to documentation to
>> configure my system.
>>
> No configuration is required to make this work, so I assume that it is
> some change you have already made to your system that is stopping it
> working.

You guys are using the same words... but mean different things by them.
=:^(  (FWIW, from my observation, fortunately or unfortunately, this is
the base problem in at least 2/3 of differing viewpoint discussions, too
bad there's no magical way to suddenly understand the base definitions
the other side is using, or that proportion of the arguments would pretty
much solve themselves!)

The system does indeed need to be properly configured for this to work.  
On distributions of any size, there's at least one person tasked with
learning all this stuff in whatever depth is necessary (including reading
the sources to groke it, if necessary) to properly configure the system
to have it all "just work", which is why it appears to Anne that "No
configuration is required."  But where that gets broken for whatever
reason, or where the system doesn't fit the norm so the standard
distribution config doesn't work, or for those building more from scratch
(not from a distribution, or from a distribution designed to be built
from scratch) and thus relying directly on the upstream packages and
whatever documentation they can find, this doesn't work the way it does
for what is hopefully the majority of normal distribution users.

The problem in this case is that there's no basic user level
documentation on the configuration available, and the configuration
itself is incredibly obtuse and "brittle", resulting in an all but
unconfigurable (from the viewpoint of a normal user) system that either
works or doesn't, with no user-level documented way to get from the
"broken" to the "working config" state.

As I said, KDE's exposure of the underlying hal config is actually
surprisingly good and as simple as I can imagine it being, but
unfortunately, that doesn't change the underlying fact that the base
functionality is not designed with user configuration in mind at all, so
the KDE abstraction of the config is necessarily rather more advanced
than the ordinary user should or can reasonably be expected to
understand.  This one's certainly not KDE's fault at all, except in their
choice to go with the "automagic" technology in the first place, with no
fallback to more traditional methods as used on kde3, for instance, but
it does remain a fact that if the user finds himself with this element of
the system non-functional, it's all but impossible to get it back to a
functional state, without simply reinstalling.  And that's the situation
MS has been rightly criticized for being in for years, and a step back
for Linux, which had to this point been know for at least being
configurable to functional, even if it didn't simply "automagically" work
for most people out of the box, as one must assume is the goal with the
changes that leave us at the current situation.

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[James Tyrer]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Sunday 01 November 2009 22:29:15 James Tyrer wrote:
>> You totally missed my point which is that I need to documentation to
>> configure my system.
>>
> No configuration is required to make this work, so I assume that it is some
> change you have already made to your system that is stopping it working.
>
HAL and D-Bus will not run without configuration.  I think that you will
find that if you remove: "/etc/dbus-1" & "/etc/hal" that this feature,
as well as some other things, will no longer work.

The problem is in all probability not one of commission, but one of
omission.  This probably doesn't work because of something that I need
to add to my system.  IAC, the question remains: what is necessary for
the "audiocd" KIOslave to work -- where is the documentation for that?

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On Monday 02 November 2009 09:07:08 James Tyrer wrote:

> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Sunday 01 November 2009 22:29:15 James Tyrer wrote:
> >> You totally missed my point which is that I need to documentation to
> >> configure my system.
> >
> > No configuration is required to make this work, so I assume that it is
> > some change you have already made to your system that is stopping it
> > working.
>
> HAL and D-Bus will not run without configuration.  I think that you will
> find that if you remove: "/etc/dbus-1" & "/etc/hal" that this feature,
> as well as some other things, will no longer work.
>

Now why would I do that?

> The problem is in all probability not one of commission, but one of
> omission.  This probably doesn't work because of something that I need
> to add to my system.  IAC, the question remains: what is necessary for
> the "audiocd" KIOslave to work -- where is the documentation for that?
>
Try techbase.  It's not a user question.  The fact that so many things don't
work on your system that do work on the distros used by most of us suggests
that you are making assumptions in setting up your system that are incorrect.  
At least techbase should point you towards things to check.

Threads like this are not helpful to ordinary users of distros, and that's
what user lists are meant to be about.

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[James Tyrer]

Anne Wilson wrote:

> On Monday 02 November 2009 09:07:08 James Tyrer wrote:
>> Anne Wilson wrote:
>>> On Sunday 01 November 2009 22:29:15 James Tyrer wrote:
>>>> You totally missed my point which is that I need to
>>>> documentation to configure my system.
>>> No configuration is required to make this work, so I assume that
>>> it is some change you have already made to your system that is
>>> stopping it working.
>> HAL and D-Bus will not run without configuration.  I think that you
>>  will find that if you remove: "/etc/dbus-1" & "/etc/hal" that this
>>  feature, as well as some other things, will no longer work.
>>
> Now why would I do that?
>
>> The problem is in all probability not one of commission, but one of
>>  omission.  This probably doesn't work because of something that I
>> need to add to my system.  IAC, the question remains: what is
>> necessary for the "audiocd" KIOslave to work -- where is the
>> documentation for that?
>>
> Try techbase.  It's not a user question.

Certainly is.  Users have things which don't work correctly.  Telling
them to consult nonexistent documentation isn't going to help.

As Duncan points out, we have reached the MS-Windows problem with Linux.
  This is not a good thing.

> The fact that so many things don't work on your system that do work
> on the distros used by most of us suggests that you are making
> assumptions in setting up your system that are incorrect.

Or perhaps there are a lot of bugs that the binary distros have found
fixes for.

Or perhaps KDE-4.3 is so brittle that if you try to configure it that
things start breaking right and left.

I see some of the issues being caused by developers making assumptions
on how things are installed rather than using the actual way that things
are installed.

> At least techbase should point you towards things to check.
>
Who do you think wrote this:

http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4.x

So, where would you suggest that I look in TechBase?

> Threads like this are not helpful to ordinary users of distros, and
> that's what user lists are meant to be about.
>
OK, then start a list for the DISTROs: Gentoo & LFS.

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On Monday 02 November 2009 20:58:34 James Tyrer wrote:
> OK, then start a list for the DISTROs: Gentoo & LFS.
>
I would assume that they already have such lists.

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[James Tyrer]

Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Monday 02 November 2009 20:58:34 James Tyrer wrote:
>> OK, then start a list for the DISTROs: Gentoo & LFS.
>>
> I would assume that they already have such lists.
>
Don't know who "they" are, but I was talking about KDE -- a list to
discuss building KDE from source @mail.kde.org.  If you want this
discussion segregated, then please see that the list is created.

And ASAIK, there isn't such a list elsewhere.  It would not be logical
for it to be elsewhere.

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On Wednesday 04 November 2009 08:26:22 James Tyrer wrote:

> Anne Wilson wrote:
> > On Monday 02 November 2009 20:58:34 James Tyrer wrote:
> >> OK, then start a list for the DISTROs: Gentoo & LFS.
> >
> > I would assume that they already have such lists.
>
> Don't know who "they" are, but I was talking about KDE -- a list to
> discuss building KDE from source @mail.kde.org.  If you want this
> discussion segregated, then please see that the list is created.
>
> And ASAIK, there isn't such a list elsewhere.  It would not be logical
> for it to be elsewhere.
>

It would be logical for Gentoo to host their own lists.  It's not KDE's job to

look after Gentoo.  I've no more to say.

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