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Re: recent cvs crashes

2009-12-03T05:10:32Z

hi gene --

i'm really swamped at work right now, so my help will be limited.
clearly more debugging is needed -- where did those messages
you attached below come from?

given the "buffer overflow" nature of the problem, i think i'd
go straight to running roadmap under "valgrind", which is an
excellent memory leak and heap corruption detector.

i think it will help to build with "make MODE=DEBUG" (or set
"MODE=DEBUG" in config.mk) to enable debug symbols, rebuild, then
run roadmap as "valgrind --log-file=rm.log roadmap your-args-here..."

valgrind can produce a lot of output, but hopefully it will be useful.

paul

gene wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I start a recent cvs version of roadmap and it crashes when I start a trip:
>
> gene@go:~# roadmap-start
> s== roadmap_start.c, line 1637: RoadMap starting, time 2009.12.02 19:20
> s== roadmap_plugin.c, line 82: roadmap_plugin_register(navigate plugin)
> s== roadmap_path.c, line 654: --> All
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 720:
> roadmap_layer_load_file(/usr/share/roadmap/default/All)
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 766: Class [All] lines 9 polygons 7
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 926: RoadMapNavigationModeCount 4
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 0 [Car] -> 4 modes
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 1 [Bike] -> 4 modes
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 2 [Foot] -> 8 modes
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 3 [Boat] -> 4 modes
>
> This is where I start a trip:
> V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V
>
> *** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/bin/roadmap terminated
> ======= Backtrace: =========
> /lib/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x50)[0xb6dc9300]
> /lib/libc.so.6(+0xe135a)[0xb6dc735a]
> /lib/libc.so.6(__strcpy_chk+0x44)[0xb6dc6664]
> /usr/bin/roadmap[0x8060286]
> /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_context_dispatch+0x1f8)[0xb6f9b798]
> /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(+0x3c010)[0xb6f9f010]
> /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_loop_run+0x1bf)[0xb6f9f47f]
> /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_main+0xb9)[0xb7426769]
> /usr/bin/roadmap[0x804e4dc]
> /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe6)[0xb6cfcbb6]
> /usr/bin/roadmap[0x804e081]
> ======= Memory map: ========
> ...
> ...
>
> Roadmap will run normally until I start a trip.
>
> Linux of course.
> Relatively up to date libs etc.
>
> I can of course supply any information necessary.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Gene
>
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recent cvs crashes

2009-12-02T17:45:53Z

Hello all,

I start a recent cvs version of roadmap and it crashes when I start a trip:

gene@go:~# roadmap-start
s== roadmap_start.c, line 1637: RoadMap starting, time 2009.12.02 19:20
s== roadmap_plugin.c, line 82: roadmap_plugin_register(navigate plugin)
s== roadmap_path.c, line 654: --> All
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 720:
roadmap_layer_load_file(/usr/share/roadmap/default/All)
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 766: Class [All] lines 9 polygons 7
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 926: RoadMapNavigationModeCount 4
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 0 [Car] -> 4 modes
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 1 [Bike] -> 4 modes
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 2 [Foot] -> 8 modes
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 3 [Boat] -> 4 modes

This is where I start a trip:
V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V

*** buffer overflow detected ***: /usr/bin/roadmap terminated
======= Backtrace: =========
/lib/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x50)[0xb6dc9300]
/lib/libc.so.6(+0xe135a)[0xb6dc735a]
/lib/libc.so.6(__strcpy_chk+0x44)[0xb6dc6664]
/usr/bin/roadmap[0x8060286]
/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_context_dispatch+0x1f8)[0xb6f9b798]
/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(+0x3c010)[0xb6f9f010]
/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0(g_main_loop_run+0x1bf)[0xb6f9f47f]
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0(gtk_main+0xb9)[0xb7426769]
/usr/bin/roadmap[0x804e4dc]
/lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe6)[0xb6cfcbb6]
/usr/bin/roadmap[0x804e081]
======= Memory map: ========
...
...

Roadmap will run normally until I start a trip.

Linux of course.
Relatively up to date libs etc.

I can of course supply any information necessary.

Thanks,

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Re: (fwd) [Gpsd-users] Release of GPSD 2.90 draws near

2009-11-22T11:26:10Z

Well, from the home page
"Our development platforms are open-source Unixes — Linux, and the *BSD
family. Presently Linux and OpenBSD are directly supported. We'll
support proprietary Unixes if it's not too much work (and it usually
isn't). Apple's OS X is back in our good books, but it is criticial that
you have all your USB drivers updated. Older drivers are buggy and
prevent gpsd from being able to read from USB-serial devices.

No, we don't support Windows — get a better operating system."

So I suppose unix variants work, not windows ...

Alessandro

Paul Fox ha scritto:

> danny wrote:
> > Would that work on devices that don't run Linux ?
> >
>
> dunno.
>
> paul
>
> > Danny
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:48 -0500, Paul Fox wrote:
> > > just an fyi, in case anyone's interested in doing the work to
> > > convert roadmap to use libgps...
> > >
> > > paul
> ...
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Re: (fwd) [Gpsd-users] Release of GPSD 2.90 draws near

2009-11-22T10:26:57Z

danny wrote:
> Would that work on devices that don't run Linux ?
>

dunno.

paul

> Danny
>
> On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:48 -0500, Paul Fox wrote:
> > just an fyi, in case anyone's interested in doing the work to
> > convert roadmap to use libgps...
> >
> > paul
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Re: (fwd) [Gpsd-users] Release of GPSD 2.90 draws near

2009-11-22T10:14:15Z

Would that work on devices that don't run Linux ?

Danny

On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:48 -0500, Paul Fox wrote:

> just an fyi, in case anyone's interested in doing the work to
> convert roadmap to use libgps...
>
> paul
>
> eric s. raymond wrote:
> > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:42:06 EST
> > To: gpsd-announce@..., gpsd-dev@..., gpsd-users@...
> > From: esr@... (Eric S. Raymond)
> > Subject: [Gpsd-users] Release of GPSD 2.90 draws near
> >
> > It's been a long epic, but we expect to release the 2.90 version of
> > GPSD very soon. I'm planning to call freeze on Monday, after which
> > only urgent bug fixes will be accepted and we may ship at any time.
> >
> > The release number has been bumped to 2.90 to reflect the fact that
> > there have been major changes since 2.39 in March, and the next
> > few minor releases will be preparatory for 3.00 in which we drop the
> > old pre-JSON GPSD protocol.
> >
> > Please get your last-minute features and your bug reports in this
> > weekend.
> >
> > Highlights of the upcoming release will include:
> >
> > * New JSON-based protocol fully deployed and documented, with all test
> > clients converted. libgps will support both protocols, with
> > application writers not needing to care which the daemon is actually
> > emitting.
> >
> > * No more jitter! The daemon now does reliable detection of cycle
> > start and end on NMEA devices.
> >
> > * gpsd now accepts error estimates from the NMEA $GPGBS sentence.
> >
> > * Major improvements and stabilization work on PPS.
> >
> > * Unpacked AIS reports will be available through the client library
> > for those with AIS receivers.
> >
> > For client application developers: a major point of this release is to
> > get the new client library (libgps) deployed. Once you convert your code to use
> > it, you should be able to ignore the rest of the wire protocol
> > transition. See <http://gpsd.berlios.de/protocol-transition.html> for
> > transition help.
> > --
> > <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
> >
> > "Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English
> > antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that
> > the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be,
> > construed as an individual right."
> > -- U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, in re U.S. vs Emerson (1999).
> > _______________________________________________
> > Gpsd-users mailing list
> > Gpsd-users@...
> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/gpsd-users
>
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(fwd) [Gpsd-users] Release of GPSD 2.90 draws near

2009-11-20T13:48:41Z

just an fyi, in case anyone's interested in doing the work to
convert roadmap to use libgps...

paul

eric s. raymond wrote:
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:42:06 EST
> To: gpsd-announce@..., gpsd-dev@..., gpsd-users@...
> From: esr@... (Eric S. Raymond)
> Subject: [Gpsd-users] Release of GPSD 2.90 draws near
>
> It's been a long epic, but we expect to release the 2.90 version of
> GPSD very soon. I'm planning to call freeze on Monday, after which
> only urgent bug fixes will be accepted and we may ship at any time.
>
> The release number has been bumped to 2.90 to reflect the fact that
> there have been major changes since 2.39 in March, and the next
> few minor releases will be preparatory for 3.00 in which we drop the
> old pre-JSON GPSD protocol.
>
> Please get your last-minute features and your bug reports in this
> weekend.
>
> Highlights of the upcoming release will include:
>
> * New JSON-based protocol fully deployed and documented, with all test
> clients converted. libgps will support both protocols, with
> application writers not needing to care which the daemon is actually
> emitting.
>
> * No more jitter! The daemon now does reliable detection of cycle
> start and end on NMEA devices.
>
> * gpsd now accepts error estimates from the NMEA $GPGBS sentence.
>
> * Major improvements and stabilization work on PPS.
>
> * Unpacked AIS reports will be available through the client library
> for those with AIS receivers.
>
> For client application developers: a major point of this release is to
> get the new client library (libgps) deployed. Once you convert your code to use
> it, you should be able to ignore the rest of the wire protocol
> transition. See <http://gpsd.berlios.de/protocol-transition.html> for
> transition help.
> --
> <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>
>
> "Historical examination of the right to bear arms, from English
> antecedents to the drafting of the Second Amendment, bears proof that
> the right to bear arms has consistently been, and should still be,
> construed as an individual right."
> -- U.S. District Judge Sam Cummings, in re U.S. vs Emerson (1999).
> _______________________________________________
> Gpsd-users mailing list
> Gpsd-users@...
> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/gpsd-users

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Re: Please help me to start Roadmap

2009-11-20T11:06:50Z

On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 11:01 +0100, heijzoo wrote:
> I am trying to install Roadmap on a Mio P550 PDA (ARM) with Windows
> Mobile 5.
> When I download and install the file: roadmap-1.2.0-wince-arm.cab
> (2009-02-01) the program does not start. (Message “Could not load any
> class”.)

On some PDAs the CAB file doesn't work right. Look in the source
(src/win32/CreateCab.pl) to see which file is supposed to go where.

I would bet that the "All" file is not in the right place.

If you have installed the CAB file on a storage card then its place
should be something like
\storage card\RoadMap\default\All

You'll need the 1.2 version of the maps with a 1.2 version of RoadMap.
There's a CAB file for that too. Its initial display should be in San
Francisco like http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/screen-market.jpg .
(See http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html)

Danny

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Please help me to start Roadmap

2009-11-19T02:01:00Z

Hello,

I hope you can help me.

I am trying to install Roadmap on a Mio P550 PDA (ARM) with Windows Mobile 5.

When I download and install the file: roadmap-1.2.0-wince-arm.cab (2009-02-01) the program does not start. (Message “Could not load any class”.)

After a lot of experimenting I did install a old version from my computer: roadmap_1_0_11_ppc_arm.zip (2006-6-21)

This version is working fine with the USA maps downloaded from http://roadmap.digitalomaha.net/maps-1.0.12

When I try the Europe map: dcwENAS.tar.gz without the usdir.rdm.tgz map the program will not start.

When I try the Europe map: dcwENAS.tar.gz with the usdir.rdm.tgz map the program will start but I do not see Europe.

Can you please help me:

1) Do I need something extra in version 1.0.11 for using Europe?

2) Is there a solution for version 1.2.0 message “Could not load any class”?

With kind regards,

Joop van der Heijden

Holland (Europe)

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Re: gpsd switching to new protocol

2009-09-14T05:21:39Z

alessandro wrote:
> Probably won't be that soon, an probably the support for the old one
> will stay for some time, but it's woth knowing.
>
> http://gpsd.berlios.de/protocol-transition.html

hi alessandro -- thanks for the reminder. i spoke to eric on irc
about that a couple of weeks ago. he claims the new protocol
should be easy to implement. we'll see. the good news is that
NMEA will stay working (am i making an assumption? i assume it
will), and we support using that with gpsd as well.

paul
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gpsd switching to new protocol

2009-09-14T00:35:47Z

Probably won't be that soon, an probably the support for the old one
will stay for some time, but it's woth knowing.

http://gpsd.berlios.de/protocol-transition.html

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Re: regarding about the topic reply

2009-08-15T06:52:41Z

naing wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How do i reply the reply the present topic that was sent by me when
> somebody reply?

does the "reply" function of your email program not work? perhaps
i don't understand your question.

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regarding about the topic reply

2009-08-15T03:56:48Z

Hello,

How do i reply the reply the present topic that was sent by me when somebody reply?

Many thanks

Re: Waze

2009-08-11T06:27:41Z

kevin wrote:
> That they don't have the source available on their site doesn't make
> them in violation of the GPL. They just have to provide "reasonable"
> access to it. E.g. pay a few dollars to get a CD, or receive it via
> email if you request it).

yes, but they have to make that offer explicitly and obviously.

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Re: Waze

2009-08-10T17:53:01Z

That they don't have the source available on their site doesn't make
them in violation of the GPL. They just have to provide "reasonable"
access to it. E.g. pay a few dollars to get a CD, or receive it via
email if you request it).

> Hi there,
> I've written a small reminder (very politely indeed ;-) and I am
> awaiting an answer. I completely agree with you, Danny, there's no
> reason to think that anyone is intentionally holding anything back -
> I'm certain that they've just not gotten around to it.
>
> Sincerely,
> /morten
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Joshua Layne<joshua@...> wrote:
>> There's also a support email address that we can try for the source. I
>> just haven't gotten to that yet.
>>
>> rgds,
>> josh
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:23 +0200, Danny Backx <danny.backx@...>
>> wrote:
>>>> and this is definitely a violation.
>>>
>>>> Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start
>>>>
>>>> http://gpl-violations.org/
>>> Please remember that we've seen incomplete "evidence" at best.
>>> It's always wise to stay polite...
>>>
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Re: Waze

2009-08-10T17:38:51Z

i wrote:
> joshua wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> > Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app
> > that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it
> > either.
> >
> > see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html
> > "
> > The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you
> > use any part of the Waze client skin (including the
> > graphics or sound files) you must use it together with the
> > Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or map
> > data from any other party without our advance, written
> > consent. If You
>
> this sounds suspiciously like it's a direct violation of the GPL.

re-reading this, it sort of depends on what they mean by "the Waze
client skin". if the skin is really separable, and separately licensed,
then i guess it's okay if they say you can only use the skin with their
map data.

i have a friend with an android phone who's going to install it so
i can take a look.

paul

>
> > use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map
> > data as permitted above, You may also our server APIs and
> > real time data without our prior written consent.
> > "
> >
> > I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in
> > violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't
>
> and this is definitely a violation.
>
> paul
>
> > looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available"
> > to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it
> > (which may or may not violate DMCA.....))).
> >
> > It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to
> > their "about" page.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Josh
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...>
> > wrote:
> > > joshua wrote:
> > > > Hi Morten,
> > > > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume
> > > you
> > > > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install"
> > > it.
> > > > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here
> > > > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) -
> > > correct
> > > > me if I'm wrong.
> > >
> > > hi josh --
> > >
> > > how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled?
> > >
> > > paul
> > > =---------------------
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> > > degrees)
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Re: Waze

2009-08-10T14:28:12Z

Hi there,
I've written a small reminder (very politely indeed ;-) and I am
awaiting an answer. I completely agree with you, Danny, there's no
reason to think that anyone is intentionally holding anything back -
I'm certain that they've just not gotten around to it.

Sincerely,
/morten

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Joshua Layne<joshua@...> wrote:

> There's also a support email address that we can try for the source. I
> just haven't gotten to that yet.
>
> rgds,
> josh
>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:23 +0200, Danny Backx <danny.backx@...>
> wrote:
>>> and this is definitely a violation.
>>
>>
>>> Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start
>>>
>>> http://gpl-violations.org/
>>
>> Please remember that we've seen incomplete "evidence" at best.
>> It's always wise to stay polite...
>>
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Re: Waze

2009-08-10T14:11:20Z

There's also a support email address that we can try for the source. I
just haven't gotten to that yet.

rgds,
josh

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:23 +0200, Danny Backx <danny.backx@...>
wrote:

>> and this is definitely a violation.
>
>
>> Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start
>>
>> http://gpl-violations.org/
>
> Please remember that we've seen incomplete "evidence" at best.
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Re: Waze

2009-08-10T14:06:13Z

> and this is definitely a violation.

> Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start
>
> http://gpl-violations.org/

Please remember that we've seen incomplete "evidence" at best.
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Re: Waze

2009-08-10T13:45:02Z

Report in the gpl-violations.org legal mailinglist a good start

http://gpl-violations.org/

Regards
Gordon

On 08/10/2009 02:00 PM, Paul Fox wrote:

> joshua wrote:
> > Hi Paul,
> > Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app
> > that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it
> > either.
> >
> > see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html
> > "
> > The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you use any part of
> > the Waze client skin (including the graphics or sound files) you must use
> > it together with the Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or
> > map data from any other party without our advance, written consent. If You
>
> this sounds suspiciously like it's a direct violation of the GPL.
>
> > use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map data as permitted
> > above, You may also our server APIs and real time data without our prior
> > written consent.
> > "
> >
> > I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in
> > violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't
>
> and this is definitely a violation.
>
> paul
>
> > looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available"
> > to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it
> > (which may or may not violate DMCA.....))).
> >
> > It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to
> > their "about" page.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Josh
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...>
> > wrote:
> > > joshua wrote:
> > > > Hi Morten,
> > > > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume
> > > you
> > > > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install"
> > > it.
> > > > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here
> > > > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) -
> > > correct
> > > > me if I'm wrong.
> > >
> > > hi josh --
> > >
> > > how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled?
> > >
> > > paul
> > > =---------------------
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> > > degrees)
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Re: Waze

2009-08-10T12:16:55Z

Hi group,

Thanks for the comments - I just wanted to bring this up so that you
know it's out there!
Of course any violations need to get fixed - and I'm sure that they
will eventually. Probably a lot to get around to when releasing such
an app...

But altogether I think it's really great that the app is out there -
and every contributor should be proud.

Since I am not (yet) a customer I am reminding myself that _I_ don't
currently have any claims to the modified source as stated by the
GPL...

That being said I am of course curious to have a look at the code! ;-)
And hope that some of the changes have value together with other data
sources such as OSM.

Sincerely,
/morten

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Paul Fox<pgf@...> wrote:

Re: Waze

2009-08-10T12:00:08Z

joshua wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app
> that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it
> either.
>
> see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html
> "
> The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you use any part of
> the Waze client skin (including the graphics or sound files) you must use
> it together with the Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or
> map data from any other party without our advance, written consent. If You

this sounds suspiciously like it's a direct violation of the GPL.

> use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map data as permitted
> above, You may also our server APIs and real time data without our prior
> written consent.
> "
>
> I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in
> violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't

and this is definitely a violation.

paul

> looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available"
> to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it
> (which may or may not violate DMCA.....))).
>
> It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to
> their "about" page.
>
> Regards,
> Josh
>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...>
> wrote:
> > joshua wrote:
> > > Hi Morten,
> > > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume
> > you
> > > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install"
> > it.
> > > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here
> > > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) -
> > correct
> > > me if I'm wrong.
> >
> > hi josh --
> >
> > how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled?
> >
> > paul
> > =---------------------
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> > degrees)
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Re: Regarding about the way type/direction attribute in TIGER

2009-08-10T11:02:25Z

> NAING wrote:

> Hello,
> Is tiger support for oneway , two way road, i mean
> direction one way or both way like in OSM. If so which
> attribute is that one? And also does roadmap support for that
> (direction) as well?

No. As as I understand, TIGER data does not have any data
relating to one-way roads. And it probably never will.

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Re: Waze

2009-08-10T10:44:48Z

Hi Paul,
Don't know - I haven't found it yet, certainly not handled in the GUI app
that I have seen and the website (www.waze.com) doesn't clearly provide it
either.

see: http://www.waze.com/legal/english/TOS.html
"
The Waze client is based on GPL open source code. If you use any part of
the Waze client skin (including the graphics or sound files) you must use
it together with the Waze map and map data, and You may not include maps or
map data from any other party without our advance, written consent. If You
use the Waze client, together with the Waze map and map data as permitted
above, You may also our server APIs and real time data without our prior
written consent.
"

I haven't found any downloadable source code, so it does seem to be in
violation (but maybe it's in the filesystem of the iphone.... I haven't
looked there yet (also not sure if that would really count as "available"
to the general user population, as you would need to jailbreak to see it
(which may or may not violate DMCA.....))).

It is definitely derived from Ehud's work on freemap israel according to
their "about" page.

Regards,
Josh

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:33:27 -0400, Paul Fox <pgf@...>
wrote:

> joshua wrote:
> > Hi Morten,
> > I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume
> you
> > are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install"
> it.
> > It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here
> > (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) -
> correct
> > me if I'm wrong.
>
> hi josh --
>
> how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled?
>
> paul
> =---------------------
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> degrees)
>
>

Re: Waze

2009-08-10T07:33:27Z

joshua wrote:
> Hi Morten,
> I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume you
> are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" it.
> It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here
> (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - correct
> me if I'm wrong.

hi josh --

how is the GPL "availability of source" requirement handled?

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Re: Waze

2009-08-09T23:09:06Z

Hi Joshua,

I'd love to see the app if you'd send a zipped version! Just to find
out if my assumptions about the origin of the app are correct.

Thanks a bunch!
Sincerely,
/morten

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Joshua Layne<joshua@...> wrote:

> Hi Morten,
> I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume you
> are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" it.
> It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here
> (except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - correct
> me if I'm wrong.
>
> I haven't had much of a chance to use it and so have no real opinion on it,
> other than it has a very cartoonish feel to it - seems marketed to kids.
> I'll probably check it out in the next couple days.
>
> j.
>
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:17:34 +0200, Morten Bek Ditlevsen <bek@...>
> wrote:
>> Hi Paul,
>> Yeah, that's my only problem - the program is currently only available
>> on the US app store - which I don't have access too.
>> And as such I of course know that I myself is not entitled to receive
>> a copy of the source code, but the US customers may be (if indeed this
>> is the same Waze, but I'd say it appears to be).
>>
>> But if they have a clear indication that it is GPL v2 and do have a
>> pointer to the source code they have not chosen to use their main
>> website to distribute it.
>>
>> Hopefully I can find a way to try out the app 'cause altogether I
>> naturally think that it's great that the code gets spread as widely as
>> possible!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> /morten
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Paul Fox<pgf@...> wrote:
>>> morten bek ditlevsen wrote:
>>> > Hi group,
>>> > Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap
>>> > informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has
>> changed
>>> > it's name to 'Waze'.
>>> > Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in
>>> > the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the
>>> > waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code
>>> > can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I
>>> > assume that it must be made available on the related website).
>>>
>>> does the iPhone binary package not make prominent the fact that
>>> the code is GPL'ed? if the Waze app is in compliance, you should
>>> not be having any issue at all finding the source. if you can't
>>> find the source, then the package isn't in compliance.
>>>
>>> here's a copy of a message i sent to danny some time ago:
>>> > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:51:47 EST
>>> > To: danny.backx@...
>>> >
>>> > From: Paul Fox <pgf@...>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Roadmap-general] 1.2.0 released
>>> > In-Reply-To: <24324.1233783846@...>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > part text/plain 597
>>> > i wrote:
>>> > > (you don't read hebrew, do you? i noticed that ehud's freemap
>>> > > site (http://www.freemap.co.il/) now redirects to a more
>>> > > commercial-looking site. seems his project is doing well...)
>>> >
>>> > and he seems to have abandoned sourceforge. at least i think so.
>>> >
>>> > there's a tarball here: http://www.waze.co.il/api/ which doesn't
>>> > match his CVS. not surprising -- i haven't seen a commit of his in
>>> > ages. looks like he's ported to symbian. it's such a shame he
>>> > felt he had to fork. :-/
>>> >
>>> > paul
>>>
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Re: Waze

2009-08-09T22:11:22Z

Hi Morten,
I downloaded it and could send it to you if you would like - I assume you
are still jailbroken, so shouldn't be a problem for you to "install" it.
It's free, so I don't think I would be engaging in anything evil here
(except perhaps in Apple's eyes, which I could care less about) - correct
me if I'm wrong.

I haven't had much of a chance to use it and so have no real opinion on it,
other than it has a very cartoonish feel to it - seems marketed to kids.
I'll probably check it out in the next couple days.

j.

On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:17:34 +0200, Morten Bek Ditlevsen <bek@...>
wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> Yeah, that's my only problem - the program is currently only available
> on the US app store - which I don't have access too.
> And as such I of course know that I myself is not entitled to receive
> a copy of the source code, but the US customers may be (if indeed this
> is the same Waze, but I'd say it appears to be).
>
> But if they have a clear indication that it is GPL v2 and do have a
> pointer to the source code they have not chosen to use their main
> website to distribute it.
>
> Hopefully I can find a way to try out the app 'cause altogether I
> naturally think that it's great that the code gets spread as widely as
> possible!
>
> Sincerely,
> /morten
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Paul Fox<pgf@...> wrote:
>> morten bek ditlevsen wrote:
>> > Hi group,
>> > Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap
>> > informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has
> changed
>> > it's name to 'Waze'.
>> > Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in
>> > the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the
>> > waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code
>> > can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I
>> > assume that it must be made available on the related website).
>>
>> does the iPhone binary package not make prominent the fact that
>> the code is GPL'ed? if the Waze app is in compliance, you should
>> not be having any issue at all finding the source. if you can't
>> find the source, then the package isn't in compliance.
>>
>> here's a copy of a message i sent to danny some time ago:
>> > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:51:47 EST
>> > To: danny.backx@...
>> >
>> > From: Paul Fox <pgf@...>
>> > Subject: Re: [Roadmap-general] 1.2.0 released
>> > In-Reply-To: <24324.1233783846@...>
>> >
>> >
>> > part text/plain 597
>> > i wrote:
>> > > (you don't read hebrew, do you? i noticed that ehud's freemap
>> > > site (http://www.freemap.co.il/) now redirects to a more
>> > > commercial-looking site. seems his project is doing well...)
>> >
>> > and he seems to have abandoned sourceforge. at least i think so.
>> >
>> > there's a tarball here: http://www.waze.co.il/api/ which doesn't
>> > match his CVS. not surprising -- i haven't seen a commit of his in
>> > ages. looks like he's ported to symbian. it's such a shame he
>> > felt he had to fork. :-/
>> >
>> > paul
>>
>> =---------------------
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> degrees)
>>
>>
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Re: Waze

2009-08-08T02:17:34Z

Hi Paul,
Yeah, that's my only problem - the program is currently only available
on the US app store - which I don't have access too.
And as such I of course know that I myself is not entitled to receive
a copy of the source code, but the US customers may be (if indeed this
is the same Waze, but I'd say it appears to be).

But if they have a clear indication that it is GPL v2 and do have a
pointer to the source code they have not chosen to use their main
website to distribute it.

Hopefully I can find a way to try out the app 'cause altogether I
naturally think that it's great that the code gets spread as widely as
possible!

Sincerely,
/morten

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Paul Fox<pgf@...> wrote:

> morten bek ditlevsen wrote:
> > Hi group,
> > Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap
> > informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has changed
> > it's name to 'Waze'.
> > Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in
> > the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the
> > waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code
> > can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I
> > assume that it must be made available on the related website).
>
> does the iPhone binary package not make prominent the fact that
> the code is GPL'ed? if the Waze app is in compliance, you should
> not be having any issue at all finding the source. if you can't
> find the source, then the package isn't in compliance.
>
> here's a copy of a message i sent to danny some time ago:
> > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:51:47 EST
> > To: danny.backx@...
> >
> > From: Paul Fox <pgf@...>
> > Subject: Re: [Roadmap-general] 1.2.0 released
> > In-Reply-To: <24324.1233783846@...>
> >
> >
> > part text/plain 597
> > i wrote:
> > > (you don't read hebrew, do you? i noticed that ehud's freemap
> > > site (http://www.freemap.co.il/) now redirects to a more
> > > commercial-looking site. seems his project is doing well...)
> >
> > and he seems to have abandoned sourceforge. at least i think so.
> >
> > there's a tarball here: http://www.waze.co.il/api/ which doesn't
> > match his CVS. not surprising -- i haven't seen a commit of his in
> > ages. looks like he's ported to symbian. it's such a shame he
> > felt he had to fork. :-/
> >
> > paul
>
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Re: Waze

2009-08-07T07:42:01Z

morten bek ditlevsen wrote:
> Hi group,
> Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap
> informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has changed
> it's name to 'Waze'.
> Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in
> the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the
> waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code
> can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I
> assume that it must be made available on the related website).

does the iPhone binary package not make prominent the fact that
the code is GPL'ed? if the Waze app is in compliance, you should
not be having any issue at all finding the source. if you can't
find the source, then the package isn't in compliance.

here's a copy of a message i sent to danny some time ago:
> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:51:47 EST
> To: danny.backx@...
>
> From: Paul Fox <pgf@...>
> Subject: Re: [Roadmap-general] 1.2.0 released
> In-Reply-To: <24324.1233783846@...>
>
>
> part text/plain 597
> i wrote:
> > (you don't read hebrew, do you? i noticed that ehud's freemap
> > site (http://www.freemap.co.il/) now redirects to a more
> > commercial-looking site. seems his project is doing well...)
>
> and he seems to have abandoned sourceforge. at least i think so.
>
> there's a tarball here: http://www.waze.co.il/api/ which doesn't
> match his CVS. not surprising -- i haven't seen a commit of his in
> ages. looks like he's ported to symbian. it's such a shame he
> felt he had to fork. :-/
>
> paul

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Waze

2009-08-07T04:28:34Z

Hi group,
Avi Romano that has contributed with iPhone patches to RoadMap
informed me about half a year ago that the Freemap project has changed
it's name to 'Waze'.
Now Waze is available for the iPhone, which is great (only works in
the US for now) - but I can't find any link to the GPL text or the
waze client source code on the website. (and since the source code
can't really be delivered along with the binary in the App Store I
assume that it must be made available on the related website).

It appears they are using the proprietary back-end that Ehud Shabtai
made for Freemap Israel - at least it's the same functionality that
Freemap Israel also provided (clients help build the map).

I asked on the blog if they are indeed the same 'Waze' that is a fork
of Roadmap - and if so to provide source code.

http://www.waze.com/

http://www.waze.com/about/team/

Can any on this list help with this? Avi or Ehud, maybe you are
following this thread too?

Sincerely,
/morten

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Re: Regarding about the way type/direction attributein TIGER

2009-08-06T16:18:13Z

On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:21:27 +0000 (GMT), NAING <naingthr@...>
wrote:
> Hello,
> Is tiger support for oneway , two way road, i mean direction one
> way or both way like in OSM. If so which attribute is that one? And also
> does roadmap support for that(direction) as well?

no, tiger data does not support restrictions (one-way, no left turn,
etc...) - I do not believe that any of that is included in the new
shapefiles either.

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regarding about navigate function in roadmap

2009-08-06T04:32:31Z

Hello,
I have compiled roadmap with latest CVS branch source code with navigation support. It was compile without error and rebuild TIGER map and OSM with latest building map utility and as stated on wiki , it get bigger map as well. But when i use navigate function , it is always saying "can't find a route". Tested with pocket pc and doing the same thing as well.

Any idea what it could be and i think the map i compiled is right but do you have any sample map to test navigation.

Many thanks

Regarding about the way type/direction attribute in TIGER

2009-08-05T02:21:27Z

Hello,
Is tiger support for oneway , two way road, i mean direction one way or both way like in OSM. If so which attribute is that one? And also does roadmap support for that(direction) as well?

Many thanks

Re: can't get buildmap_osm to work, could use some guidance

2009-07-20T11:09:14Z

Thanks again, Danny. This mapset works, so I'm going to have to go back
through my process and see what I missed or what broke on my end :)

Jason

Danny Backx wrote:

> My stuff is at
>
> http://danny.backx.info/download/roadmap/jason.tar.gz
>
> it's 2803850 bytes (2.8 MB), and contains :
> pavilion: {17} tar tvfz jason.tar.gz
> drwxrwxr-x danny/danny 0 2009-07-20 19:57 jason/
> -rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 98564 2009-07-20 19:54 jason/app_a02.txt
> -rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 1120 2009-07-20 19:54 jason/usstates.txt
> -rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 181724 2009-07-20 19:55 jason/usdir.rdm
> -rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 1438156 2009-07-20 19:55 jason/iso-us-sis.rdm
> -rw-r--r-- danny/danny 19412258 2009-07-20 19:55 jason/iso-us-sis.osm
> -rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 6 2009-07-20 19:54 jason/iso-division-us
> -rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 1438156 2009-07-20 19:54 jason/iso-us.rdm
> -rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 117097 2009-07-20 19:57 jason/jason.jpg
> pavilion: {18}
>
> You should be able to extract e.g. in the roadmap src directory, and
> then run
> gtk2/gtkroadmap --maps=jason
>
> I did similarly (but from inside the maps/jason directory), and got this
> output :
>
> pavilion: {17} ../../gtk2/gtkroadmap --maps=.
> s== roadmap_start.c, line 1631: RoadMap starting, time 2009.07.20 19:55
> s== roadmap_plugin.c, line 82: roadmap_plugin_register(navigate plugin)
> s== roadmap_path.c, line 654: --> All
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 720:
> roadmap_layer_load_file(/usr/local/share/roadmap/default/All)
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 766: Class [All] lines 9 polygons 7
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 926: RoadMapNavigationModeCount 4
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 0 [Car] -> 4 modes
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 1 [Bike] -> 4 modes
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 2 [Foot] -> 8 modes
> s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 3 [Boat] -> 4 modes
> s== roadmap_gps.c, line 989: cannot access GPS source gpsd2://localhost
> s== navigate/navigate.c, line 466: navigate_update_position(-74242854
> 40617904) initial
> s== navigate/navigate.c, line 483: navigate_update_position(-74242854
> 40617904), line 846, street 165, changed 1, skip 0
> s== roadmap_start.c, line 1720: RoadMap exiting, time 2009.07.20 19:57
> pavilion: {18}
>
> A screenshot is included. Don't worry about the background colour,
> that's an oddity of my Linux distribution. Or so.
>
> Danny
>
> On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 10:17 -0400, Jason Pullara wrote:
>
>> Danny & Paul, thank you very much for your help. Unfortunately, while
>> I've been able to complete the suggested buildmap_osm and buildus steps
>> (in both of your e-mails, sorry I'm not quoting both) neither one leads
>> to a displayable map in roadmap - for whatever reason, no roads are
>> shown (but no error message about there not being any map within X miles
>> is shown, either).
>>
>> I'm going to have to play around with roadmap when I've got some free
>> time and see just what the heck I'm doing wrong in the process. I just
>> wanted to thank both of you for the help so far.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>> Paul Fox wrote:
>>
>>> jason wrote:
>>> > I'm running the latest SVN (Jul 18), but this also happens on the
>>> > official release. I'm using Ubuntu 9.04 if that makes any difference. I
>>> > live in the United States, trying to get a map of Staten Island, NY.
>>> > Here's what I get:
>>> >
>>> > ./buildmap_osm -m ~/.roadmap/maps -s ./php/osmgetbmap 40.607,-74.162:0.5mi
>>> > -- will process 2 tiles
>>> > --
>>> > -- processing tileid '853915657', for file 'qt21/32/e5/qt32e5b809.rdm'
>>> > -- command is "./php/osmgetbmap -t 833902 -b 21 -h 15"
>>> > osm_bmap_cmd: tileid 833902, bits 21, have neighbors 15
>>> > api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=-74.179688,40.605468,-74.003907,40.781249
>>> > ** problem fetching data (pclose: No such file or directory),
>>> > continuingSegmentation fault
>>>
>>> for some reason i can't recreate the segfault. :-/
>>>
>>> however -- it seems that the OSM servers are dealing with bounding
>>> boxes differently than they used to. if you pass "-b 25" or "-b 27"
>>> to your command, then it will complete successfully, and you'll get
>>> your data. it seems that large quadtiles don't work reliably anymore.
>>>
>>> (i saw something similar a week or two ago, but didn't pursue it.)
>>>
>>> paul
>>> =---------------------
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Re: can't get buildmap_osm to work, could use some guidance

2009-07-20T11:01:51Z

My stuff is at

http://danny.backx.info/download/roadmap/jason.tar.gz

it's 2803850 bytes (2.8 MB), and contains :
pavilion: {17} tar tvfz jason.tar.gz
drwxrwxr-x danny/danny 0 2009-07-20 19:57 jason/
-rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 98564 2009-07-20 19:54 jason/app_a02.txt
-rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 1120 2009-07-20 19:54 jason/usstates.txt
-rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 181724 2009-07-20 19:55 jason/usdir.rdm
-rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 1438156 2009-07-20 19:55 jason/iso-us-sis.rdm
-rw-r--r-- danny/danny 19412258 2009-07-20 19:55 jason/iso-us-sis.osm
-rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 6 2009-07-20 19:54 jason/iso-division-us
-rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 1438156 2009-07-20 19:54 jason/iso-us.rdm
-rw-rw-r-- danny/danny 117097 2009-07-20 19:57 jason/jason.jpg
pavilion: {18}

You should be able to extract e.g. in the roadmap src directory, and
then run
gtk2/gtkroadmap --maps=jason

I did similarly (but from inside the maps/jason directory), and got this
output :

pavilion: {17} ../../gtk2/gtkroadmap --maps=.
s== roadmap_start.c, line 1631: RoadMap starting, time 2009.07.20 19:55
s== roadmap_plugin.c, line 82: roadmap_plugin_register(navigate plugin)
s== roadmap_path.c, line 654: --> All
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 720:
roadmap_layer_load_file(/usr/local/share/roadmap/default/All)
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 766: Class [All] lines 9 polygons 7
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 926: RoadMapNavigationModeCount 4
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 0 [Car] -> 4 modes
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 1 [Bike] -> 4 modes
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 2 [Foot] -> 8 modes
s== roadmap_layer.c, line 940: Navigation 3 [Boat] -> 4 modes
s== roadmap_gps.c, line 989: cannot access GPS source gpsd2://localhost
s== navigate/navigate.c, line 466: navigate_update_position(-74242854
40617904) initial
s== navigate/navigate.c, line 483: navigate_update_position(-74242854
40617904), line 846, street 165, changed 1, skip 0
s== roadmap_start.c, line 1720: RoadMap exiting, time 2009.07.20 19:57
pavilion: {18}

A screenshot is included. Don't worry about the background colour,
that's an oddity of my Linux distribution. Or so.

Danny

On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 10:17 -0400, Jason Pullara wrote:

> Danny & Paul, thank you very much for your help. Unfortunately, while
> I've been able to complete the suggested buildmap_osm and buildus steps
> (in both of your e-mails, sorry I'm not quoting both) neither one leads
> to a displayable map in roadmap - for whatever reason, no roads are
> shown (but no error message about there not being any map within X miles
> is shown, either).
>
> I'm going to have to play around with roadmap when I've got some free
> time and see just what the heck I'm doing wrong in the process. I just
> wanted to thank both of you for the help so far.
>
> Jason
>
>
> Paul Fox wrote:
> > jason wrote:
> > > I'm running the latest SVN (Jul 18), but this also happens on the
> > > official release. I'm using Ubuntu 9.04 if that makes any difference. I
> > > live in the United States, trying to get a map of Staten Island, NY.
> > > Here's what I get:
> > >
> > > ./buildmap_osm -m ~/.roadmap/maps -s ./php/osmgetbmap 40.607,-74.162:0.5mi
> > > -- will process 2 tiles
> > > --
> > > -- processing tileid '853915657', for file 'qt21/32/e5/qt32e5b809.rdm'
> > > -- command is "./php/osmgetbmap -t 833902 -b 21 -h 15"
> > > osm_bmap_cmd: tileid 833902, bits 21, have neighbors 15
> > > api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/map?bbox=-74.179688,40.605468,-74.003907,40.781249
> > > ** problem fetching data (pclose: No such file or directory),
> > > continuingSegmentation fault
> >
> > for some reason i can't recreate the segfault. :-/
> >
> > however -- it seems that the OSM servers are dealing with bounding
> > boxes differently than they used to. if you pass "-b 25" or "-b 27"
> > to your command, then it will complete successfully, and you'll get
> > your data. it seems that large quadtiles don't work reliably anymore.
> >
> > (i saw something similar a week or two ago, but didn't pursue it.)
> >
> > paul
> > =---------------------
> > paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 71.1 degrees)
> >
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Re: can't get buildmap_osm to work, could use some guidance

2009-07-20T09:53:21Z

That's odd - it did display for me.

Danny

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