tag:old.nabble.com,2006:forum-2887Nabble - RoseGarden2009-11-25T16:57:55ZRosegarden is a professional audio and MIDI sequencer, score editor, and general-purpose music composition and editing environment.. Rosegarden home is <a href="http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">here</a>.tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26522939Re: [Rosegarden-user] qwerty2009-11-25T16:57:55Z2009-11-25T16:57:55ZD. Michael McIntyreOn Wednesday 25 November 2009, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
<br><br>> > Isn't this like shooting a fly with a cannon? Is it worth it at this
<br>> > point?
<br><br>OK, now that it's over, I can say that it definitely was. I made a lot more
<br>noise talking about the problem and thinking my way in circles to work around
<br>the problem (it turns out the "Play" shortcut that made my spine run cold is
<br>actually "Multimedia Play" and there was never any conflict there at all) than
<br>I did just fixing it correctly.
<br><br>The code was trivial, and the impact it had on the translation was minimal. I
<br>ran through all the changes very fast and got my translation back up to 100%
<br>in less than 20 minutes. Most of that time was spent either fixing mistakes
<br>where I had translated keyboard shortcuts by mistake the first time around, or
<br>redoing the I, II, III strings.
<br><br>It wasn't technically necessary to change the I, II, III strings, but I like
<br>things better with no accelerators, and at least there is only one new set to
<br>re-translate instead of three new sets.
<br><br>Incidentally, I'm looking at the German translation, and I see that it is
<br>broken, or at least according to the Qt docs it should be broken. Someone
<br>(presumably Thorsten) translated all the keyboard shortcuts. Maybe it works,
<br>but the Qt docs state that it should not, so I'm correcting that. I have
<br>tested with Spanish that if I put "Ctrl+Shift+X" in for the translation (just
<br>copying the original string, because I prefer to have something in every slot
<br>to make it clear I meant to mark that as finished) then at runtime Qt will
<br>show me "Ctrl+May"X" as is suitable for this language.
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<br><br>> <Action name="insert_0_low" text="&I" shortcut="Z,Y" />
<br>>
<br>> to activate that action, I first had to press Z and after that Y.
<br>>
<br>> So doesn't work in the way first thought.
<br><br>It's supposed to let you press either Z or Y, but in this case I think it
<br>doesn't work as you'd expect because of the conflict.
<br><br>> Isn't this like shooting a fly with a cannon? Is it worth it at this point?
<br>>
<br>> If it works, don't fix it. This one mostly does.
<br><br>It doesn't work. I spent two hours writing explanations of this situation and
<br>how to cope with it, making excuses for the crappy solution the whole time,
<br>and then going back and replacing the word "solution" with "workaround."
<br><br>Then I ran into "Play" while writing, and knew it was all over. If you have a
<br>string called "Play" in your translation, how do you translate it? If it's a
<br>keyboard shortcut (referring to the Play multimedia key on those new keyboards
<br>the kids are using, I am guessing) then you have to leave it as "Play" in
<br>English, or Qt will break it and it won't work, but if it's a tooltip (and
<br>there is just such a tooltip) then it should be translated so it doesn't
<br>appear in English. Which should you do? How can you know?
<br><br>You can't.
<br><br>It's time to eat it and solve the problem instead of working around it. This
<br>is just one example. We can start making excuses again.
<br><br>"Who cares about the Play multimedia key anyway?"
<br><br>"In this case, there is no conflict because 'Play' the tooltip isn't in the
<br>same translation context as 'Play' the keyboard shortcut anyway, so there is
<br>no real conflict here, and what's the problem?"
<br><br>But no, if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, then I don't have to
<br>taste it to find out whether it's shit or not. It's shit.
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<div class="im">On Wednesday 25 November 2009, Jani Frilander wrote:<br>
<br>
> which requires two separate key strokes Z, Y to get the note.<br>
<br>
</div>It's supposed to be possible to specify multiple shortcuts separated by<br>
commas, and either one of them should work. Anybody doing that needs to have<br>
<br></blockquote><div>What I meant when there is a line like<br><br><Action name="insert_0_low" text="&amp;I" shortcut="Z,Y" /><br><br>to activate that action, I first had to press Z and after that Y.<br>
<br>So doesn't work in the way first thought.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
German probably wants to change English Z to Y and English Y to Z, leaving<br>
both of these as single shortcuts.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>Simple translation in ts files. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
ActionFileParser needs brain surgery, or else there will never be any end to<br>
all of these stupid problems.<br></blockquote></div><br>Isn't this like shooting a fly with a cannon? Is it worth it at this point?<br><br>If it works, don't fix it. This one mostly does.<br><br>-Jani<br><br>
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<br><br>> Revision: 11314
<br><br>> Log Message:
<br><br>The log message was empty, because my commit got aborted on a conflict. SVN
<br>lied about saving my message to svn-commit.tmp
<br><br>Here's what's going on:
<br><br>I committed the new versions of those .rc files making all the do-re-mi
<br>strings into generic strings like "I/do" because all of these should be
<br>translated into every target language, including English.
<br><br>I also removed the keyboard accelerators, because I feel having no
<br>accelerators at all is better than the inconsistent mess we had. Those
<br>accelerators had no real value anyway, as the real value in these Insert ->
<br>Note menus is to serve as a reference guide for learning the shortcuts.
<br><br>This change is NOT a real solution to the underlying translation problem, and
<br>there is no way to avoid the fact that ActionFileParser needs brain surgery.
<br><br>I am about to perform that brain surgery, and I have no idea how long it will
<br>be before I have finished. Everyone should please stop changing the .rc files
<br>and the translations until I commit the big translation change with hundreds
<br>of new strings in it, and hundreds of obsolete strings. This is going to be a
<br>very large change, because every keyboard shortcut in the .ts files is going
<br>to become obsolete.
<br><br>Please stop working now and find something else to do until I have sorted out
<br>these stupid translation problems once and for all. Be kind to yourself.
<br>Don't waste your time.
<br><br>I'll let everyone know when it is safe to come back out and play, but for now
<br>it is a good time to find something else to do.
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<br><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26518777&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">michael.mcintyre@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> ActionFileParser needs brain surgery, or else there will never be any end to
<br>> all of these stupid problems.
<br><br>Can you summarise how its brain is inadequate?
<br><br><br>Chris
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<br><br>> which requires two separate key strokes Z, Y to get the note.
<br>>
<br>> These multi key short cuts could be useful.
<br><br>It's supposed to be possible to specify multiple shortcuts separated by
<br>commas, and either one of them should work. Anybody doing that needs to have
<br>a care that there are no conflicts. If you set the shortcut for "insert some
<br>low note" to "Z, Y" then how is Qt supposed to resolve the conflict when the
<br>shortcut for "switch between notes and rests" is "Y" as well?
<br><br>German probably wants to change English Z to Y and English Y to Z, leaving
<br>both of these as single shortcuts.
<br><br>On this broader issue, I've been writing developer and translator HOWTO
<br>documents all morning trying to talk myself out of giving ActionFileParser
<br>brain surgery, but it is just completely ridiculous now.
<br><br>ActionFileParser needs brain surgery, or else there will never be any end to
<br>all of these stupid problems.
<br><br>Everyone who is working on a translation should probably stop now, and
<br>everyone who is reading the new translator instructions on the wiki should
<br>ignore them for now until I get all of this sorted out.
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<br>I found that in matrix z and x keys don't work when locale is set to C.<br><br></blockquote></div>Actually "X" works but there was no shortcut "Z". Instead there was "Z, Y"<br>which requires two separate key strokes Z, Y to get the note.<br>
<br>These multi key short cuts could be useful.<br><br>-Jani<br><br>
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<br><br>> Correction! I do find that V is broken in en_US (and probably everywhere
<br>> else) as you reported. I saw the hint on the debug list. I'll see if I
<br>> can sort out the new conflict. This must have happened when I changed Cut
<br>> and Close and Paste... to Alt+Shift+X and Alt+Shift+V recently.
<br><br>No, it must have been true longer than that, and I apologize for not noticing
<br>sooner.
<br><br>I have chosen a crude solution that puts a piece of thin plywood over the hole
<br>instead of filling it in with dirt. I think the plywood will support enough
<br>weight that nobody will fall through again, because it is very rare that we
<br>will ever have source texts consisting of a single letter or a short string
<br>that could be confused with keyboard shortcut texts.
<br><br>We'll have to see how it works out though. I may have to buy a load of dirt
<br>from somewhere and fill in the hole properly after all, but let's try this
<br>first.
<br><br>Updates to follow shortly. I'm waiting to post the wiki changes and commit
<br>everything until I've re-translated my languages and tested everything.
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<div class="im">
<br>
</div>Correction! I do find that V is broken in en_US (and probably everywhere<br>
else) as you reported. I saw the hint on the debug list. I'll see if I can<br>
sort out the new conflict. This must have happened when I changed Cut and<br>
Close and Paste... to Alt+Shift+X and Alt+Shift+V recently.<br>
<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div>If there is no way to separate keyboard shortcut translations from other<br>translations, I think there is 2 options:<br><br>1) Make keyboard shortcut "V" untranslatable<br>
<br>2) Rename I, II, II etc to something else, for example Do Re Mi...<br><br>-Jani<br><br>
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<br><br>> > In addition key v doesn't work with locales en, en_US and en_GB in
<br>> > notation
<br>>
<br>> I looked at the English translations, and I don't have any idea why these
<br>> would be broken. I've tested that there is no breakage here using any of
<br>> the above LANG=, including C.
<br><br>Correction! I do find that V is broken in en_US (and probably everywhere
<br>else) as you reported. I saw the hint on the debug list. I'll see if I can
<br>sort out the new conflict. This must have happened when I changed Cut and
<br>Close and Paste... to Alt+Shift+X and Alt+Shift+V recently.
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<br><br>> 2) I have tried to launch rosegarden this way: "LANG=en ./rosegarden" but
<br>> the keys c b a d f g e they don't work however. Why? Is it a problem of my
<br>> system or rosegarden?
<br><br>On 2009/11/25, Jani Frilander wrote:
<br><br>> I found that in matrix z and x keys don't work when locale is set to C.
<br>>
<br>> In addition key v doesn't work with locales en, en_US and en_GB in
<br>> notation
<br><br>I looked at the English translations, and I don't have any idea why these
<br>would be broken. I've tested that there is no breakage here using any of the
<br>above LANG=, including C.
<br><br>When I looked into this last time, I came to really understand the problem,
<br>and I was able to provide what I hope is a strong solution (complete with
<br>detailed documentation for translators). In this case, I simply have no idea.
<br><br>I would start the experimentation with keyboard layouts though. If you
<br>(either one of you) change your keyboard layout to an English one, do the
<br>shortcuts work then?
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<span dir="ltr"></span><br><div class="im"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I found that in matrix z and x keys don't work when locale is set to C.<br>
<font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote>
</div></div>In addition key v doesn't work with locales en, en_US and en_GB in notation.<br><br></blockquote></div>And this made it work:<br><br>--- data/locale/en_US.ts (revision 11312)<br>+++ data/locale/en_US.ts (working copy)<br>
@@ -1297,7 +1297,7 @@<br> <location filename="../QMenuStrings.cpp" line="3107"/><br> <location filename="../QMenuStrings.cpp" line="3127"/><br> <source>V</source><br>
- <translation>Sol</translation><br>+ <translation type="unfinished"></translation><br> </message><br> <message><br> <location filename="../QMenuStrings.cpp" line="1180"/><br>
<br>Something mixes keyboard shortcuts with the intervals.<br><br>-Jani<br><br>
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You can turn translations of by launching "LANG=C ./rosegarden" to see if it works.<br><br>I found that in matrix z and x keys don't work when locale is set to C.<br><font color="#888888"></font><br></blockquote>
</div>In addition key v doesn't work with locales en, en_US and en_GB in notation.<br><br>-Jani<br><br>
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<div style="font-family: 'Sans Serif'; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal;"><br><p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">2) I have tried to launch rosegarden this way: "LANG=en ./rosegarden" but the keys c b a d f g e they don't work however. Why? Is it a problem of my system or rosegarden?</p>
<br></div></blockquote></div>You can turn translations of by launching "LANG=C ./rosegarden" to see if it works.<br><br>I found that in matrix z and x keys don't work when locale is set to C.<br><br>-Jani<br>
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> 1) I start to learn whether to use the softwares for the translation and it doesn't seem difficult.</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2) I have tried to launch rosegarden this way: "LANG=en ./rosegarden" but the keys c b a d f g e they don't work however. Why? Is it a problem of my system or rosegarden?</p>
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<br><br>> I would be well pleased to also contribute to rosegarden asking I help to
<br>> other people! I have only need to know what I must translate: can you tell
<br>> me thing to do?
<br><br>Since you already have a copy of the source code, you just need to make sure
<br>you have Qt Linguist installed, and use it to translate data/locale/it.ts
<br><br>Here you go, Mario. Instead of answering your question in this email, I took
<br>some time out to finish updating the instructions for translators on the wiki:
<br><br><a href="http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/translator:add_or_update_translation" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/translator:add_or_update_translation</a><br><br>Let me know how you get along with this. If it leaves you with questions,
<br>please do ask them, and I will keep working on the instructions so that
<br>everybody has a good plan to follow.
<br><br>I'll also mention that any other rosegarden-user readers who have an interest
<br>in working on translations, we are in a string freeze now, and I'm giving
<br>everyone as much time as I can to get a good translation together for
<br>February.
<br><br>We have had almost 100 string changes since the freeze, but very few of these
<br>are completely new strings. Most of them are from source code corrections
<br>that have made existing translations "obsolete," and these need only minor
<br>modification to be up to date again. I'm afraid it isn't quite possible to
<br>have a really hard freeze yet at this stage of development, but every string I
<br>change makes more work for me, so I am doing everything I can to keep the work
<br>to a minimum.
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<br>have an interest in translation might want to go have a look through this.
<br><br><a href="http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/translator:add_or_update_translation" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/translator:add_or_update_translation</a><br><br>Feel free to edit or suggest corrections, better organization, etc. It could
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I would be well pleased to also contribute to rosegarden asking I help to other people! I have only need to know what I must translate: can you tell me thing to do?</p>
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<br><br>> I am sorry a lot it but I have tried the version this morning 11308 but me
<br>> I still have problems with the keys c b to d f g e: they don't give signs
<br>> of life.
<br><br>> Am I one unlucky?
<br><br>Italian still has 1204 untranslated strings and 1697 unfinished strings. The
<br>keys in question are among the strings that have not yet been translated.
<br><br>Is anyone translating Italian yet, other than our German translator updating a
<br>few strings here and there? Perhaps you could do it, or perhaps you know
<br>someone who could? Updating the translation should fix the problem. I would
<br>prefer to leave this to someone who uses and is familiar with an Italian
<br>keyboard, in case some of the shortcuts need to be remapped to make more
<br>sense. (Plus I am just super busy right now cleaning things up for release.)
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am sorry a lot it but I have tried the version this morning 11308 but me I still have problems with the keys c b to d f g e: they don't give signs of life.</p>
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Am I one unlucky?</p>
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<br><br>Michael wrote:
<br>> Interestingly enough, your complaint is familiar to me,
<br>> because someone else raised the same issue quite
<br>> recently. I've been here seven years, and in that time
<br>> this issue has come up twice, both within a month or two
<br>> of each other. It's odd.
<br><br>That is true, I was in on that conversation.
<br><br>Michael wrote:
<br>> If you don't want to fool with the alpha, then the most
<br>> sensible thing to do
<br>> is hack on the raw XML that makes up the .rg file, and use
<br>> some search and
<br>> replace magic to correct all the broken durations.
<br><br><br>Just to make it clear the .rg files are compressed xml files
<br>so you can uncompress them and edit them in a text editor then rebundle them for RG to use.
<br><br>I believe you will need to look for notes with a attribute of duration="0"
<br><br>The last time around. we just searched and replaced to make it read duration="1"
<br><br>That should give the note a value of one RG internal tick.
<br><br>That solved it last time.
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<br><br>> Is this a bug in rosegarden?
<br><br>I'd say it's a bug in your Alesis myself, but it looks like something we just
<br>have to deal with. Interestingly enough, your complaint is familiar to me,
<br>because someone else raised the same issue quite recently. I've been here
<br>seven years, and in that time this issue has come up twice, both within a
<br>month or two of each other. It's odd.
<br><br>> Is there a way I can change all zero duration notes without manually
<br>> changing every zero duration entry.
<br><br>Rosegarden "Thorn" (due out in February) can deal with this situation. It
<br>knows what the input looks like, and copes with it.
<br><br>If you don't want to fool with the alpha, then the most sensible thing to do
<br>is hack on the raw XML that makes up the .rg file, and use some search and
<br>replace magic to correct all the broken durations.
<br><br>I forget what it looks like, and just what to do. I remember looking into all
<br>of that and talking about it somewhere or other within the last few months,
<br>but I've been working on this bucket of bolts seven days a week for months
<br>now, and it all runs together in my memory.
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<br><br>> I think that you should change the bin's name back to rosegarden once you
<br>hit beta and it doesn't have any serious bugs like segfaults anymore.
<br><br>The opinion of a package maintainer is worth more than all the speculation in
<br>the world, so I'll aim to do just that.
<br><br>Thanks for the input, Dave.
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<br><br>> Kdialog window stating "Processing LilyPond file..." and nothing more
<br>> happens. The same happens when I use "Print via Lilypond".
<br><br>When I try with 1.7.3 on Ubuntu 9.10, I don't even get that far. It just
<br>tanks completely.
<br><br>I am not set up to compile the old "Classic" code, and I have no particular
<br>idea why this is tanking. I assume it has something to do with Rosegarden
<br>finding itself in an environment that's two or three generations more modern
<br>than the one it was built for, but my quick investigation doesn't reveal
<br>anything that allows me to be more specific than that.
<br><br>For now, I recommend exporting to .ly files and processing them manually until
<br>Rosegarden "Thorn" comes out. All of this functionality has been completely
<br>rewritten from scratch for Thorn, and LilyPond processing *does* work for me
<br>on Ubuntu 9.10. (The old external "helper scripts" were an unmaintainable
<br>mess, and they've all been replaced with native internal code. There may well
<br>be new bugs in all this brand new code, but the overall outcome should be much
<br>better now, I hope.)
<br>
<br>> Exporting to Lilypond gives a Lilypond file which usually can be
<br>> compiled without problems. But not always. For instance I had such a
<br>> file where Rosegarden only had marked slur endings, i.e. ")", but the
<br>> beginnings "(" were missing.
<br><br>Something like that is usually a specific LilyPond export issue to look at
<br>case by case. LilyPond export has always been an impressively complicated
<br>business that's full of quirks like this. I'm afraid it will never be
<br>perfect, but I'll be happy to look at the test case and see if I can think of
<br>any solution.
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<br>a Kdialog window stating
<br><br>ERROR: LilyPond processing failed.
<br><br>LilyPond output follows:
<br><br><br>... and no Lilypond out follows. "OK" on this window then yields a
<br>Kdialog window stating "Processing LilyPond file..." and nothing more
<br>happens. The same happens when I use "Print via Lilypond".
<br><br>Exporting to Lilypond gives a Lilypond file which usually can be
<br>compiled without problems. But not always. For instance I had such a
<br>file where Rosegarden only had marked slur endings, i.e. ")", but the
<br>beginnings "(" were missing.
<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br />On Thursday 19 November 2009, warren true wrote:
<br><br>> So, I try to use lilypond...nothing..., and then next time I start rg, it
<br>> tells me that I may need some helper scripts.
<br><br>It's probably saying you need to install such and such to make your helper
<br>scripts work, isn't it?
<br><br>What happens if you try to run LilyPond (the 'lilypond' command) from a
<br>command line or a "Run Command" box?
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<br><br>Hope someone can help. When I record midi from my alesis DM5 drum
<br>module through a Midisport 2x2 I get some notes as zero duration. These
<br>notes are then not played on playback. I am currently using ubuntu 9.10
<br>and the latest rt kernel. I cant find anything in the DM5 which
<br>allocates a minimum duration.
<br><br>arecordmidi and aplaymidi seems to work fine.
<br><br>Is this a bug in rosegarden?
<br>Is there a way I can change all zero duration notes without manually
<br>changing every zero duration entry.
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<br><br>> So, I try to use lilypond...nothing..., and then next time I start rg, it
<br>> tells me that I may need some helper scripts.
<br><br>It's probably saying you need to install such and such to make your helper
<br>scripts work, isn't it?
<br><br>What happens if you try to run LilyPond (the 'lilypond' command) from a
<br>command line or a "Run Command" box?
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<br>> From: Kevin Donnelly <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26453374&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">kevin@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> This inspired me to have a look at sidux (apparently they
<br>> don't like people
<br>> calling it Sidux!), and I'm quite impressed. The
<br>> liveCD was quite responsive
<br>> on a 5-6 year-old PC with an Athlon chip, NVCrush GeForce2
<br>> integrated video,
<br>> and 512Mb RAM, and it installed in 7 minutes (whereas the
<br>> new openSUSE 11.2
<br>> one refuses, because of too little RAM). Very snappy
<br>> once installed, and the
<br>> first time I've seen KDE4 able to compete with KDE3 in
<br>> terms of
<br>> responsiveness and functionality.
</div><br>I like Sidux for the Sid/Unstable repository. But I only install individual app(s) which normally upgrade it to the latest version from the repository with:
<br><br> apt-get -d install appName1 appName2
<br><br>which download all the files first, followed by:
<br><br> apt-get install appName1 appName2
<br><br>to actually install them.
<br><br>I would avoid doing
<br><br> apt-get dist-upgrade
<br><br>because the respository may be in flux (out of sync) more often then not. I haven't cared enough to try
<br><br> apt-get -d dist-upgrade
<br><br>to see if I can get all a complete set of files downloaded and in a decently sync-ed up state before actually fully upgrade the system with
<br><br> apt-get dist-upgrade
<br><br>With those, I haven't had much if any trouble with Debian Sid. Just thought I mention it here for anyone new to using Debian Sid/Unstable for daily use, so they can stay out of trouble.
<br><br>I haven't tried with the latest release and LXDE desktop (spelling???). I think most of the light-weight desktop including FluxBox uses evenless RAM (you may need it if you use larger soundfonts). I don't think those desktop environments remember opened apps from previous session like KDE, or GNOME. I could be wrong because I only tried a couple of those recently.
<br><br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> The only issue I had was that the video resolution was set
<br>> to a max of
<br>> 800x600. After a chat on IRC, I was advised to boot
<br>> the liveCD again, but
<br>> this time adding:
<br>> xmode=1024x1068
<br>> to the boot line, and then copy the resulting
<br>> /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the
<br>> installed version. (In fact, I was not aware until
<br>> now that most of the
<br>> newer distros have done away with xorg.conf!)
</div><br>I just installed the latest Sidux release on an old Thinkpad A22m (800 MHz), 384 MB RAM. Just trying it before upgrading my desktop. The Sidux liveCD didn't configure xorg.conf on this laptop, or seems to leave me at the text prommpt. Previous releases had no such problem. Haven't reported it yet.
<br><br><br><br>> What impressed me most was a silly little thing - I was
<br>> asked to run:
<br>> xrandr | sidux-paste
<br>> and this automatically posted the output to pastebin.ca -
<br>> cool!
<br><br>Nice tech support script. Haven't gone to their IRC channel for help so I don't know.
<br><br><br>> Would you mind expanding a bit on the kernel/audio process
<br>> priority things
<br>> above. so I can do a bit more exploring? You can
<br>> reply off-list if you think
<br>> it's a bit OT.
<br><br>I think the lower "rtprio" number has higher priority, but don't go overboard with it. Things are relative anyway. I think default "rtprio" is 120 (or more) for normal apps, or something in that range.
<br><br>Current Debian install of jackd automatically configure /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf if you answer "yes" when it configures the jackd package. So I don't have to do anything with that file. Not so sure about /etc/sysctl.conf, but it is simple enough. If you want to make sure /etc/sysctl.conf works even after a reboot, you might as well do a reboot. To check on this value, try:
<br><br> cat /proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq
<br><br>To set the value, which should take place immediately, but not sure if the app(s) adjust to the value right away, or you have to restart the app(s) to recognize this. Probably application specific.
<br><br> echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/hpet/max-user-freq
<br><br>The content of the files are followed, 3 lines (one is a comment) for /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf, 1 line for /etc/sysctl.conf.
<br><br><br>#---file: /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
<br>#---use to be: /etc/security/limits..conf
<br><br>@audio - rtprio 99
<br>@audio - memlock unlimited
<br>#@audio - nice -19
<br><br>#-----------
<br>#---file: /etc/sysctl.conf
<br><br>dev.hpet.max-user-freq=1024
<br><br><br>#-----------
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<br>>
<br>> How to compile kernels with "high resolution timer" in
<br>> Apodio (Ubuntu Hardy
<br>> i386)?
<br>> And how to configure the (realtime) priority for the audio
<br>> processes?
<br>> Thanks
<br><br>Ubuntu Studio uses the same repository and has some sort of "RT", and/or "high resolution timer" enable for its kernel. Although, I think it may have some stability problem.
<br><br>Sidux kernel has the kernel config compiled into the kernel as a zipped file, available as /proc/config.gz . I can read it with:
<br><br> zcat /proc/config.gz
<br><br>I attached it here. The "high resolution timer" options in there are:
<br><br>CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
<br>CONFIG_HZ=1000
<br><br>If you compile your own, you may want to try your existing kernel config file and modify or add these two options to it. You may also need to use some "pre-empt" options, too. Try:
<br><br> zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i preempt
<br><br> zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i hz
<br><br>to see if your config file has similar values to the file I attached here. If not you may have to keep trying until you get a reasonable kernel good for MIDI use. This may take lots of time, trial and errors. Which is fine if you want to tinker. If you don't, then getting a stable "MIDI music oriented distro" would be a reasonable choice. This is also why I don't use Debian Unstable, although Sidux is mostly Debian Unstable and a year or two back Sidux didn't even have "high resolution timer" enabled -- I had to compile my own kernel back then.
<br><br>After having a bootable kernel, here are 2 files I have to enable the "high resolution timer" as well as allowing "audio" processes to take higher priority in the system. Note # is start of a comment:
<br><br>---file: /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
<br>---use to be: /etc/security/limits..conf
<br><br>@audio - rtprio 99
<br>@audio - memlock unlimited
<br>#@audio - nice -19
<br><br><br>-----------
<br>---file: /etc/sysctl.conf
<br><br>dev.hpet.max-user-freq=1024
<br><br><br>-----------
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<br><br>On Wednesday 18 November 2009 22:54, jimmy wrote:
<br>> If you are familiar with Debian, then Sidux has Linux kernels with "high
<br>> resolution timer" compiled-in, and uses Debian Unstable respository. Once
<br>> Sidux is installed, you still need to get the appropriate packages
<br>> (Rosegarden, Jackd/Qjackctl...) and configure the (realtime) priority for
<br>> the audio processes. But no need to compile the kernel yourself, or try to
<br>> locate kernel with "high resolution timer". No RT-patches to the kernel is
<br>> needed for recent kernel releases.
<br><br>This inspired me to have a look at sidux (apparently they don't like people
<br>calling it Sidux!), and I'm quite impressed. The liveCD was quite responsive
<br>on a 5-6 year-old PC with an Athlon chip, NVCrush GeForce2 integrated video,
<br>and 512Mb RAM, and it installed in 7 minutes (whereas the new openSUSE 11.2
<br>one refuses, because of too little RAM). Very snappy once installed, and the
<br>first time I've seen KDE4 able to compete with KDE3 in terms of
<br>responsiveness and functionality.
<br><br>The only issue I had was that the video resolution was set to a max of
<br>800x600. After a chat on IRC, I was advised to boot the liveCD again, but
<br>this time adding:
<br>xmode=1024x1068
<br>to the boot line, and then copy the resulting /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the
<br>installed version. (In fact, I was not aware until now that most of the
<br>newer distros have done away with xorg.conf!)
<br><br>What impressed me most was a silly little thing - I was asked to run:
<br>xrandr | sidux-paste
<br>and this automatically posted the output to pastebin.ca - cool!
<br><br>Would you mind expanding a bit on the kernel/audio process priority things
<br>above. so I can do a bit more exploring? You can reply off-list if you think
<br>it's a bit OT.
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<br><br>> It's worth a quick experiment to see if there's any point in pursuing the
<br>> idea [of working a QSplitter into the notation and matrix layouts]
<br><br>Ilan stepped up and volunteered to attempt it, and in the course of answering
<br>his questions, I've decided I'd better make a public statement canceling this
<br>request. There's no "quick experiment" here. It would take some significant
<br>surgery to try this out, and I don't think it's worth it.
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<br>The last time I tried Classic it worked for me.
<br>I also am running Ubuntu 9.10 but haven't tried the studio.
<br>I try to use Thorn and there I get the following (and everything works with Lilypond).
<br><br>Ilan<img src="http://old.nabble.com/file/p26441591/lily.png" border="0" /><p>From forum: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/Rosegarden---User-f522.html" embed="fixTarget[522]" target="_top" >Rosegarden - User</a></p>tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26439518Re: temp. removal of Thorn to run classic for one night2009-11-19T23:40:47Z2009-11-19T23:40:47ZBugzilla from dplater@webafrica.org.zaOn 11/19/2009 07:49 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Thursday 19 November 2009, Heikki Johannes Junes wrote:
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>>> recent change to the install target that's supposed to install as
<br>>>> /usr/bin/rosegarden-10.02
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>> Sounds reasonable. What about doing also
<br>>>
<br>>> ln -sf /usr/bin/rosegarden-10.02 /usr/bin/rosegarden
<br>>>
<br>>> ?
<br>>>
<br>> I figure I'll leave that up to package maintainers to do if they wish. Using
<br>> something like Debian's alternatives system, for example, they could
<br>> update-alternatives to set up a symlink so that
<br>> /usr/bin/rosegarden -> /etc/alternatives/rosegarden ->
<br>> /usr/bin/rosegarden-10.02
<br>>
<br>> The reason I'd like to avoid making that symlink you suggest is because that
<br>> would prevent Thorn from installing beside Classic. The symlink would
<br>> overwrite the Classic binary unless we renamed it out of the way, and Thorn's
<br>> install should not muck about with files that other packages have installed.
<br>> Distros would not like that, and they'd have to patch our sources to hack
<br>> around it, so it would be pretty pointless to implement.
<br>>
<br>> The .desktop file is updated with the version number now, so there will be a
<br>> rosegarden-10.02.desktop pointing to /usr/bin/rosegarden-10.02, and if you
<br>> installed 10.03 right after in parallel, you'd wind up with
<br>> rosegarden-10.03.desktop pointing at /usr/bin/rosegarden-10.03 and so on.
<br>> Each of them should get a separate menu entry, although they'll all have the
<br>> same icon. Maybe we could update the description too, to help make more clear
<br>> which is which, but I figure I'll wait for real world feedback before I go any
<br>> further with that.
<br>>
<br>> I think most normal users in the GUI age don't type the application name at
<br>> the command line or in a run command box, so updating the .desktop file should
<br>> make most people happy. (I'm guessing. I'm not at all a normal user, and I
<br>> practically never use my menu for anything.) If package maintainers fill in
<br>> with the alternatives mechanism when applicable so that /usr/bin/rosegarden
<br>> does something as well, that should cover most bases. Then there are the odd
<br>> people who compile from source, and may get confused, and may ask a question
<br>> that prompts me to put up a FAQ somewhere explaining to set up the symlink.
<br>>
<br>> I'm not sure how it will all pan out. I thought I'd try it as an experiment
<br>> during the alpha phase and see how it works out in the real world.
<br>>
<br>> Package maintainers might choke on installing a binary with a filename like
<br>> /usr/bin/rosegarden-10.02 as well. I'm not sure if that will fly or not. It
<br>> might violate some policy or other for some distro or other. I figure if this
<br>> causes problems, I'll hear about them and go from there.
<br>>
</div>I've already made a wrapper script named rosegarden (to create a
<br>~/blender directory if it didn't exist) for the opensuse rosegarden-qt4
<br>(rosegarden thorn svn) so all I had to do was change the spec file to
<br>not rename rosegarden to rosegarden.bin and change the wrapper to start
<br>rosegarden-10.02. This however causes a problem with gdb where you
<br>cannot start a debugging session with "gdb rosegarden" you have to start
<br>it with "gdb rosegarden-10.02". I think that you should change the bin's
<br>name back to rosegarden once you hit beta and it doesn't have any
<br>serious bugs like segfaults anymore.
<br>Regards
<br>Dave P
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<br>
But this don't fix the crash I now get repeatedly when trying to move a note to<br>
the staff above with the contextual menu (gdb trace enclosed).<br>
<br></blockquote></div>I know. There must be some bug hiding in elsewhere in the code. Maybe we<br>refer some deleted object at this point.<br><br>I changed the method how to move events up/down staff, because I couldn't<br>
find a way to get NotationStaff->getSegment working in NotationView. I used<br>setCurrentSegment to work around this. I don't know if that causes the crash,<br>but I doubt it.<br><br>-Jani<br><br>
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By the way, lilypond used to work.<br>
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