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SAN solution wantedHi there,
I'm looking for an affordable SAN solution for a small network. Although I can parse the offers on the intertubes, I often fail to see if they're fully supported under linux (ia32, soon x86_64) and that their fw-400/800 port is really just "firewire" not some crippled socket only their windows-only driver could bring to life. In short: does anybody have a bit of experience to share regarding these SAN devices? And I think I really need SAN, because with NAS I'm bound to their NFS/CIFS implementation and I could not easily encrypt the data with e.g. dm-crypt/LUKS. TIA, C. -- BOFH excuse #197: I'm sorry a pentium won't do, you need an SGI to connect with us. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-isp-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: SAN solution wantedChristian Kujau wrote:
> Hi there, > > I'm looking for an affordable SAN solution for a small network. > Although I can parse the offers on the intertubes, I often fail to see > if they're fully supported under linux (ia32, soon x86_64) and that > their fw-400/800 port is really just "firewire" not some crippled > socket only their windows-only driver could bring to life. > > In short: does anybody have a bit of experience to share regarding > these SAN devices? > > And I think I really need SAN, because with NAS I'm bound to their > NFS/CIFS implementation and I could not easily encrypt the data with > e.g. dm-crypt/LUKS. > > TIA, > C. with Linux, you can manage them through the serial port, and drive-host assignment is easy with ACLs -- Hector Gonzalez cacho@... http://www.genac.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-isp-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: SAN solution wantedIt seems you are talking about a particular vendor, and then haven't
named them ;) I have had some little experience attempting to get low end IBM kit working with Debian and RedHat. It was not much fun. The less crap IBM kit, was however, much easier. Do not attempt anything with the DS3400 (SAS). It has brain dead controllers. The DS4300 and DS4700 series kit (FC), however, much less pain. In particular, multipath-tools work rather well. What kind of price range are you looking in? ./jp > On Jun 10, Christian Kujau illuminated : > Hi there, > > I'm looking for an affordable SAN solution for a small network. > Although I can parse the offers on the intertubes, I often fail to see if > they're fully supported under linux (ia32, soon x86_64) and that their > fw-400/800 port is really just "firewire" not some crippled socket only > their windows-only driver could bring to life. > > In short: does anybody have a bit of experience to share regarding these > SAN devices? > > And I think I really need SAN, because with NAS I'm bound to their NFS/CIFS > implementation and I could not easily encrypt the data with e.g. > dm-crypt/LUKS. > > TIA, > C. > -- > BOFH excuse #197: > > I'm sorry a pentium won't do, you need an SGI to connect with us. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-isp-REQUEST@... > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmaster@... > > -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere jeanpaul@... http://www.blaquiere.id.au http://japester.ucc.asn.au/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-isp-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: SAN solution wantedUmmmm. we use...
Debian lenny software raid drbd HA cluster software nfs/ext3 and iscsi Whats wrong with that? Other than a recent migration away from XFS it works like a champ. On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Jean-Paul Blaquiere <jeanpaul@...> wrote: It seems you are talking about a particular vendor, and then haven't -- Brian J. Schrock Systems Engineer, IntegraLink The Cobalt Group, Inc. 4635 Trueman Blvd, Suite 100 Hilliard, OH 43026 bschrock@... www.integralink.com p. 614.324.7800 ext. 3295 |
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Re: SAN solution wantedHi Jean-Paul,
On Wed, June 11, 2008 02:48, Jean-Paul Blaquiere wrote: > It seems you are talking about a particular vendor, and then haven't > named them ;) Um, actually no, because I couldn't say anything, due to my lack of experience. So I've hoped to get a few names from this list :-) But I should have emphasized the *small* in "small network" (hello, Héctor!). My current favourites are WDG2T20000[0], which comes with 2TB (minimum of storage I'd like to have) and Firewire, which hopefully will work with the Mac Mini I'd like to attach. The second one is from LaCie, again with 2TB and FW. Oh, by now it should be clear that I'm not an ISP, but it's really a smallish home network :-\ > I have had some little experience attempting to get low end IBM kit > working with Debian and RedHat. It was not much fun. The less crap IBM > kit, was however, much easier. Do not attempt anything with the DS3400 > (SAS). It has brain dead > controllers. The DS4300 and DS4700 series kit (FC), however, much less > pain. In particular, multipath-tools work rather well. Hm, FC is no good for me, I think, I'd like to get this done with Firewire, USB as a second choice, but I heard FW is more stable for storage paths. > What kind of price range are you looking in? the lower end :-) Hm, I would've hoped to stay below ~500 EUR. But with NAS more common in the SOHO sector, it's hard to find a not-so-cheap SAN-like solution. Thanks, Christian. [0] http://www.westerndigital.com/de/products/products.asp?driveid=342 [1] http://www.lacie.com/de/products/product.htm?pid=10923 -- make bzImage, not war -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-isp-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: SAN solution wantedOn Wed, June 11, 2008 04:11, Brian Schrock wrote:
> Ummmm. we use... > Debian lenny debian/sid here :) > software raid drbd HA cluster software Proven and stable, OK. > nfs/ext3 and iscsi Which (not so expensive) appliance is providing iSCSI? Or did you create a software iSCSI target on just another server with lots of disks in it? Thanks, C. -- make bzImage, not war -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-isp-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: SAN solution wantedOn 11/06/2008, at 10:21 AM, Christian Kujau wrote:
> On Wed, June 11, 2008 04:11, Brian Schrock wrote: >> Ummmm. we use... >> Debian lenny > > debian/sid here :) > >> software raid drbd HA cluster software > > Proven and stable, OK. > >> nfs/ext3 and iscsi > > Which (not so expensive) appliance is providing iSCSI? Or did you > create a > software iSCSI target on just another server with lots of disks in it? What you didn't mention to the list is that you are using a Mac Mini - iSCSI will probably be a bit of a problem as you only have a 100Mb/s ethernet interface. You only have USB2.0 or FireWire400 available as disk interfaces. Andrew |
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Re: SAN solution wantedOn Wed, June 11, 2008 11:36, Andrew Miehs wrote:
> What you didn't mention to the list is that you are using a Mac Mini > - iSCSI will probably be a bit of a problem as you only have a 100Mb/s > ethernet interface. The latest MacMini has indeed a 1Gbps NIC [0], now I have to find an iSCSI storage appliance. > You only have USB2.0 or FireWire400 available as disk interfaces. Yes, and no PCI slots for FC adapters or the like. I really hope FW400 will suffice and be stable enough for 24/7 usage. C. [0] http://support.apple.com/kb/SP7 -- BOFH excuse #442: Trojan horse ran out of hay -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-isp-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: SAN solution wanted> On Jun 11, Christian Kujau illuminated :
> But I should have emphasized the *small* in "small network" (hello, > H??ctor!). My current favourites are WDG2T20000[0], which comes with 2TB > (minimum of storage I'd like to have) and Firewire, which hopefully will > work with the Mac Mini I'd like to attach. > Ah. when I think of SAN, I start thinking from $20,000. ISP list and all. > Hm, FC is no good for me, I think, I'd like to get this done with > Firewire, USB as a second choice, but I heard FW is more stable for > storage paths. > Firewire has always been my link of choice for running data over. USB has too high a CPU usage. There are some Mac oriented storage devices (names escape me at the moment). They're more likely to have sane firewire ports. ./jp -- Jean-Paul Blaquiere jeanpaul@... http://www.blaquiere.id.au http://japester.ucc.asn.au/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-isp-REQUEST@... with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@... |
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Re: SAN solution wantedThe iscsi target is running on top of drbd. We use the cluster software to migrate between the machines for mtce. and hopefully to ward off downtime from failures. But, yes, it is just the iscsitarget debian packages running on a server with huge storage space.
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 4:21 AM, Christian Kujau <lists@...> wrote:
-- Brian J. Schrock Systems Engineer, IntegraLink The Cobalt Group, Inc. 4635 Trueman Blvd, Suite 100 Hilliard, OH 43026 bschrock@... www.integralink.com p. 614.324.7800 ext. 3295 |
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Re: SAN solution wantedHéctor González wrote:
> I've had good experience with HP's MSA1000 SAN arrays, they work nicely > with Linux, you can manage them through the serial port, and drive-host > assignment is easy with ACLs We tried the MSA1000 at one of the companies I worked for and ended up getting rid of it. It had (at least at the time) rather old and rubbish controller cards that had abysmally low bandwidth (not the NICs, but the actual SAN controller head-units). We only had 3-4 servers hooked up to them and performance was awful. I found out about the controller problem by digging through the HP support forum. I usually drink the HP Cool-Aid, but that experience was one of the few disappointing ones. :-( George. |
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