SUCCESS with Coherent

[Bill Bradford]

QEMU (I'm using the "Q" bundled app for OSX) 0.9.0 won't run it - weirdness
in the floppy drive emulation - but I just successfully installed it on a
100M virtual hard disk using Q/QEMU 0.9.1!

The x86 emulation on a 1.25Ghz PPC is kinda slow, but I'll fiddle with it
on a native x86 Mac tonight at home.

Now I'm looking for a copy of the Mark Williams "Let's C" compiler for
DOS..

Bill

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[gsm-2]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:42:19AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
>QEMU (I'm using the "Q" bundled app for OSX) 0.9.0 won't run it - weirdness
>in the floppy drive emulation - but I just successfully installed it on a
>100M virtual hard disk using Q/QEMU 0.9.1!
>
>The x86 emulation on a 1.25Ghz PPC is kinda slow, but I'll fiddle with it
>on a native x86 Mac tonight at home.

Considering the fact I ran it for years on an 8mHz '286, I can't see what
you are complaining about :-)

Roughly it should be equivalent to a 150 mHz 80286, so you should IMHO be
so lucky.

I did a lot on that machine, including email (via uucp), usenet, C programing,
etc.

It even came with a device drivers development kit. (extra cost option)

Geoff.

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[Ray Arachelian]

Bill Bradford wrote:
> QEMU (I'm using the "Q" bundled app for OSX) 0.9.0 won't run it - weirdness
> in the floppy drive emulation - but I just successfully installed it on a
> 100M virtual hard disk using Q/QEMU 0.9.1!
>  
Any issues with the keyboard?  I remember when I bought Coherent, that I
also had to buy an actual Keytronix keyboard since Coherent reprograms
the keyboard controller.
Very cool that it works in QEMU.
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[Bill Bradford]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 06:04:03PM -0400, Ray Arachelian wrote:
> Any issues with the keyboard?  I remember when I bought Coherent, that I
> also had to buy an actual Keytronix keyboard since Coherent reprograms
> the keyboard controller.
> Very cool that it works in QEMU.

So far, not yet (at least it works during the installer).  I was running it
on a PPC at work, so doing all four install floppies took *all day* and was
still running when I left the office.  Doing it here at home on a native
x86 Mac is a *lot* faster; will report back in once the install is
finished.

Bill

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[Bill Bradford]

On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:42:19AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> QEMU (I'm using the "Q" bundled app for OSX) 0.9.0 won't run it - weirdness
> in the floppy drive emulation - but I just successfully installed it on a
> 100M virtual hard disk using Q/QEMU 0.9.1!

I'm pretty twisted.

http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg

Bill

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[Sandwich Maker]

" From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>
"
" On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:42:19AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
" > QEMU (I'm using the "Q" bundled app for OSX) 0.9.0 won't run it - weirdness
" > in the floppy drive emulation - but I just successfully installed it on a
" > 100M virtual hard disk using Q/QEMU 0.9.1!
"
" I'm pretty twisted.
"
" http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg

trying for the world record for indirection?

i'd say skip the olympics and turn pro... ;^>
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[Ray Arachelian]

Bill Bradford wrote:
> I'm pretty twisted.
>
> http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg
>  
Sweeet!
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[Mark Brown-9]

Sandwich Maker wrote:
> " From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>
> "
> " I'm pretty twisted.
> "
> " http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg
>
> trying for the world record for indirection?
>
>  
I met a fella at $WORK.  He had a saying (not sure if it was genuinely
his or not) - "There is nothing that cannot be solved with one more
layer of indirection"

I gotta say - to some degree or another - he is right. He was quite a
master of that.  Not for obfuscation, but rather for the purposes of good.

Scripts that write scripts, etc.  Filesystem "magic". Now layered
emulation from Mr. Bill.

/M
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[John Floren]

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Mark Brown<sunrescue@...> wrote:

> Sandwich Maker wrote:
>>
>> " From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>
>> " " I'm pretty twisted.
>> " " http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg
>>
>> trying for the world record for indirection?
>>
>>
>
> I met a fella at $WORK. B He had a saying (not sure if it was genuinely his
> or not) - "There is nothing that cannot be solved with one more layer of
> indirection"
>
> I gotta say - to some degree or another - he is right. He was quite a

master
> of that. B Not for obfuscation, but rather for the purposes of good.
>
> Scripts that write scripts, etc. B Filesystem "magic". Now layered
emulation
> from Mr. Bill.
>
> /M
> _______________________________________________

We say that in jest around the Plan 9 area...

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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Sandwich Maker wrote:

> " From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>
> "
> " On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:42:19AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> " > QEMU (I'm using the "Q" bundled app for OSX) 0.9.0 won't run it - weirdness
> " > in the floppy drive emulation - but I just successfully installed it on a
> " > 100M virtual hard disk using Q/QEMU 0.9.1!
> "
> " I'm pretty twisted.
> "
> " http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg
>
> trying for the world record for indirection?
>
> i'd say skip the olympics and turn pro... ;^>

Over the last few years, I've been trying to slowly accumulate enough
hardware to build a VAX 7000 workstation with:

7000 -> Laserbus -> XMI -> VAXBI -> Unibus -> Qbus -> Qbus Framebuffer

Just for fun.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Sandwich Maker]

" From: Mark Brown <sunrescue@...>
"
" Sandwich Maker wrote:
" > " From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>
" > "
" > " I'm pretty twisted.
" > "
" > " http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg
" >
" > trying for the world record for indirection?
" >
" >  
" I met a fella at $WORK.  He had a saying (not sure if it was genuinely
" his or not) - "There is nothing that cannot be solved with one more
" layer of indirection"
"
" I gotta say - to some degree or another - he is right. He was quite a
" master of that.  Not for obfuscation, but rather for the purposes of good.
"
" Scripts that write scripts, etc.  Filesystem "magic". Now layered
" emulation from Mr. Bill.

oh yes.  i don't think i've ever written a script that writes other
scripts but i often script even simple things, to make sure i don't
mistype a really critical command or minimize the downtime /
vulnerability window when a bunch o' commands are needed to do a
config change.  i also have an exact record of what i did, for the
future.  just gotta remember to document those scripts!

i was actually admiring bill's massive stunt.
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[Sandwich Maker]

" From: Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster@...>
"
" Sandwich Maker wrote:
" > " From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>
" > "
" > " []
" > "
" > " I'm pretty twisted.
" > "
" > " http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg
" >
" > trying for the world record for indirection?
" >
" > i'd say skip the olympics and turn pro... ;^>
"
" Over the last few years, I've been trying to slowly accumulate enough
" hardware to build a VAX 7000 workstation with:
"
" 7000 -> Laserbus -> XMI -> VAXBI -> Unibus -> Qbus -> Qbus Framebuffer
"
" Just for fun.

so we can expect, at some future date, the sridhar - mrbill
indirection slam?
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[Phil Stracchino-3]

Sandwich Maker wrote:

> " From: Mark Brown <sunrescue@...>
> "
> " Scripts that write scripts, etc.  Filesystem "magic". Now layered
> " emulation from Mr. Bill.
>
> oh yes.  i don't think i've ever written a script that writes other
> scripts but i often script even simple things, to make sure i don't
> mistype a really critical command or minimize the downtime /
> vulnerability window when a bunch o' commands are needed to do a
> config change.  i also have an exact record of what i did, for the
> future.  just gotta remember to document those scripts!

I've done that once or twice.  Way back in the DOS days, it was a very
powerful technique for working around some of the more crippling
limitations of the brain-damaged DOS batch language and interpreter.

I also wrote a CGI once that was implemented as a self-modifying Perl
script, just to see if it would work.  (It did, but required extreme
care in input sanitization.)


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[wa2egp]

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>

>
> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:42:19AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> > QEMU (I'm using the "Q" bundled app for OSX) 0.9.0 won't run it - weirdness
> > in the floppy drive emulation - but I just successfully installed it on a
> > 100M virtual hard disk using Q/QEMU 0.9.1!
>
> I'm pretty twisted.
>
> http://www.mrbill.net/coherent-on-qemu-on-ubuntu-on-vmware-on-osx.jpg
>
> Bill

And I thought I was bad running Microware's OS-9 on a Radio Shark Color Computer emulator on an old PC so I could actaully get a multitasking OS working on a DOS machine.

Bob
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[Steven M Jones]

Mark Brown wrote:
> I met a fella at $WORK.  He had a saying (not sure if it was genuinely
> his or not) - "There is nothing that cannot be solved with one more
> layer of indirection"

I had thought there was a quote from Dennis Ritchie about solving any
problem  with another layer of abstraction, but I'm seeing similar
things attribued to all manner of people when I search for it. Wikipedia
attributes the following to David Wheeler: "/All problems in computer
science can be solved by another level of indirection."/


John Floren wrote:
> We say that in jest around the Plan 9 area...

I wouldn't say it's in jest at all, given Plan 9's origins within the
same group(s) at Bell Labs. While Rob Pike may not have looked at it as
a direct evolution of Research UNIX - or perhaps he did, it's all a blur
these days - it certainly benefited and drew from the history, thinking,
and staff from those earlier efforts.

Now that I think about it, I may be remembering a talk Rob gave about
Inferno rather than Plan 9. But anyway... I'll go back to watching
Matlock and yelling at the kids in front of my house now.

--S.

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