Nabble - Sakai - User Interaction

Agenda for Content Authoring Summit

2008-08-16T06:13:40Z

I have added two pages to Confluence in hopes they will help get us
started on the agenda:

UI and UX issues: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/xgFTAg
Technical Issues: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/xwFTAg

In both of those pages I added headings for "work that should be done
to prepare for the Authoring Summit" and "topics that should be
considered at the Authoring Summit".

I hope that is a helpful way to start organizing the issues. Please
add items to lists in those pages.

You're also welcome to discuss the issues and the agenda using the
email alias for content-authoring: content@...

Thanks.

Jim

On Aug 15, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Michael Korcuska wrote:

>
> Greetings,
>
> The content authoring summit dates have been confirmed for September
> 23-25 on the Dearborn campus of the University of Michigan. This is a
> meeting, not a conference, so there won't be an "official" conference
> hotel but I suggest either:
>
> The Hyatt Hotel (http://dearborn.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/index.jsp)
> The Hampton Inn (http://www.hamptoninn.com/en/hp/hotels/index.jhtml?ctyhocn=DTTDRHX
> )
>
> The Hyatt is obviously nicer and more expensive. Both are walking
> distance to campus and there is a shopping center nearby so a car
> isn't necessary.
>
> A lot of planning needs to get started so we can make this a
> productive session. I'll be on vacation next week so please feel free
> to begin putting together an agenda.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
>
>
> --
> Michael Korcuska
> Executive Director, Sakai Foundation
> mkorcuska@...
> mobile: +1 510-599-2586 // phone: +1 510-931-6559
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RE: Citations Helper Survey available

2008-08-04T10:53:38Z

We have extended the availability of the Citations Helper survey through tomorrow, Tuesday, August 5:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VJrh62xqt_2fY0MePNlGl4BA_3d_3d

If you have implemented, used, or evaluated the Citations Helper feature in the Resources tool, we would appreciate it if you could complete this survey to help us with our final report to the Mellon Foundation and to inform our future work. It should take no more than 5-10 minutes to complete.

Thanks,

Jon

From: Dunn, Jon William Butcher
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Subject: Citations Helper Survey available

(Apologies for multiple postings)

The Sakaibrary project has posted a brief online survey for people in the Sakai community who have implemented, evaluated, or looked at the Citations Helper feature in the Sakai Resources Tool.

The survey will be available through Thursday, July 31 at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VJrh62xqt_2fY0MePNlGl4BA_3d_3d

The purpose of this survey is to gather information on adoption and use of Citations Helper for the Sakaibrary project's final grant report to the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation, and also to help guide future work on Citations Helper and other tools for integration of library resources and services within Sakai.

The survey is relatively short, and we expect that it will take only 5-10 minutes to complete. Thanks in advance for your participation, and please let me know if you have any questions.

Regards,

Jon

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Citations Helper Survey available

2008-07-22T10:42:48Z

(Apologies for multiple postings)

The Sakaibrary project has posted a brief online survey for people in the Sakai community who have implemented, evaluated, or looked at the Citations Helper feature in the Sakai Resources Tool.

The survey will be available through Thursday, July 31 at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VJrh62xqt_2fY0MePNlGl4BA_3d_3d

The purpose of this survey is to gather information on adoption and use of Citations Helper for the Sakaibrary project's final grant report to the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation, and also to help guide future work on Citations Helper and other tools for integration of library resources and services within Sakai.

The survey is relatively short, and we expect that it will take only 5-10 minutes to complete. Thanks in advance for your participation, and please let me know if you have any questions.

Regards,

Jon

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Re: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation

2008-07-17T16:49:17Z

I'm all for combining Usability & Ease of Use (1.5 & 1.2). As I
described in a comment on the definitions page, most definitions of
usability include the ease of use as one of the components.

I also added to the definition for the usability scorecard item to
align it with the code review. A usability review team can evaluate
against accepted Sakai and industry practices. We may also want to
gain consensus on the evaluation method (also added a comment about
this). Or perhaps that's a decision for the usability review team.

I think the user testing scorecard item should similarly be the
results of a formal user testing team.

-Daphne

On Jul 16, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Mark Norton wrote:

> I have entered initial definitions for the scorecard items at:
> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SCORE/Scorecard+Item+Definitions
>
> These are very preliminary. Please comment, change, etc.
>
> I recommend that we drop item 1.5 as a duplicate of 1.2, define 2.5
> (integration testing), and drop 2.16 as it is covered in code reviews.
> Megan should define what test plans are. Need some work around
> licensing, too.
>
> As time allows, I will write up some of the checklists, where they are
> defined elsewhere.
>
> - Mark
>
> Knoop, Peter wrote:
> > Sure go for it, Mark. I would also encourage anyone else
> contributing to
> > the page to note any differences they have with definitions for
> items
> > they are commenting on, or to add their definition for any that are
> > missing one.
> >
> > -peter
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mark Norton [mailto:markjnorton@...]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:26 AM
> >> To: Knoop, Peter
> >> Cc: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...; sakai-
> >> qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI;
> >>
> > sakai-
> >
> >> user
> >> Subject: Re: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation
> >>
> >> This is definitely worth doing, Peter. I had trouble understanding
> >>
> > some
> >
> >> of the items from the notes. Definitions would go a long way
> towards
> >> refining the scorecard. Do you want me to take a whack at that?
> >>
> >> - Mark
> >>
> >> Knoop, Peter wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'd also like to see the "Scorecard Items" defined. Even during
> the
> >>> BOF in Paris it was clear that folks have different views on what
> >>>
> > was
> >
> >>> meant by some of these items. For those filling out the
> scorecard or
> >>> those trying to make sense of it as a metric, those definitions
> will
> >>> be important as well. They don't have to be on the top-level
> view of
> >>> scorecard, however, they should be captured and link to somewhere.
> >>>
> >>> -peter
> >>>
> >>> *From:* Mark Norton [mailto:markjnorton@...]
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:26 PM
> >>> *To:* May, Megan Marie
> >>> *Cc:* sakai-dev@...;
> >>> sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI
> >>>
> >> UI;
> >>
> >>> sakai-user
> >>> *Subject:* Proposed Scorecard Evaluation
> >>>
> >>> I have created an initial scorecard with evaluation based on
> Megan's
> >>> notes at:
> >>>
> >>>
> > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SCORE/Scorecard+E
> >
> >> valuation
> >>
> >>> Please jump in and add comments.
> >>>
> >>> - Mark Norton
> >>>
> >>> May, Megan Marie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jon,
> >>>> Yes, this scorecard would have a dimension that would rate the
> >>>> accessibility of a tool to people with disabilities. The
> >>>>
> > definition
> >
> >> of
> >>
> >>>> the elements on the scorecard is an activity that is going to
> >>>>
> >> require
> >>
> >>>> the input of folks with expertise in many different areas.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are at all interested, I encourage you to join the collab
> >>>>
> >> site.
> >>
> >>>> Megan
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@...]
> >>>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:58 PM
> >>>> To: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...;
> >>>> sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai
> UI
> >>>>
> >> UI;
> >>
> >>>> sakai-user
> >>>> Subject: Re: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
> >>>>
> >>>> I this type of resource be place to rate the accessibility of a
> >>>> feature to people with disabilities?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ---- Original message ----
> >>>>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:59:43 -0400
> >>>>> From: "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay@...>
> >>>>> Subject: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
> >>>>> To: "sakai-dev@..."
> >>>>>
> >>>> <sakai-dev@...>,
> >>>> "sakai-qa@..." <sakai-
> >>>>
> >> qa@...>,
> >>
> >>>> Sakai Accessibility WG <accessibility@...>,
> >>>>
> >> Sakai
> >>
> >>>> UI UI <sakai-dg-ui@...>, sakai-user
> >>>> <sakai-user@...>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A "Scorecard Working Group" formed at the Paris
> >>>>> Conference to tackle the issue of how to improve
> >>>>> upon the current Core/Provisional/Contrib Tool
> >>>>> Status system and its criteria. The goal is to
> >>>>> produce a Tool Scorecard and a Service Scorecard,
> >>>>> which will provide the release team with guidance on
> >>>>> what to include in a release, and organizations
> >>>>> deploying Sakai a comparative evaluation of tools'
> >>>>> and services' capabilities. Additionally, there
> >>>>> is a goal of defining a set of criteria with
> >>>>> tool/service evaluation being performed for the 2.6
> >>>>> release. During the meeting in Paris, the group
> >>>>> defined possible several dimensions for the score
> >>>>> card. Notes of this meeting can be found on the
> >>>>> WG's confluence space at:
> >>>>> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/FwDfAQ.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Additional participation is welcomed from all in the
> >>>>> community. If you are interested in participating,
> >>>>> please join the WG on collab by using the
> >>>>> MyWorkspace Membership tool. To join follow these
> >>>>> steps
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> . Log into
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> . Choose the Membership tool
> >>>>>
> >>>>> . Select the `Joinable sites' link
> >>>>>
> >>>>> . Search on `WG: Scorecard' and click join
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Megan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation

2008-07-16T08:15:35Z

I have entered initial definitions for the scorecard items at:
http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SCORE/Scorecard+Item+Definitions

These are very preliminary. Please comment, change, etc.

I recommend that we drop item 1.5 as a duplicate of 1.2, define 2.5
(integration testing), and drop 2.16 as it is covered in code reviews.
Megan should define what test plans are. Need some work around
licensing, too.

As time allows, I will write up some of the checklists, where they are
defined elsewhere.

- Mark

Knoop, Peter wrote:

> Sure go for it, Mark. I would also encourage anyone else contributing to
> the page to note any differences they have with definitions for items
> they are commenting on, or to add their definition for any that are
> missing one.
>
> -peter
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Norton [mailto:markjnorton@...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:26 AM
>> To: Knoop, Peter
>> Cc: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...; sakai-
>> qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI;
>>
> sakai-
>
>> user
>> Subject: Re: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation
>>
>> This is definitely worth doing, Peter. I had trouble understanding
>>
> some
>
>> of the items from the notes. Definitions would go a long way towards
>> refining the scorecard. Do you want me to take a whack at that?
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>> Knoop, Peter wrote:
>>
>>> I'd also like to see the "Scorecard Items" defined. Even during the
>>> BOF in Paris it was clear that folks have different views on what
>>>
> was
>
>>> meant by some of these items. For those filling out the scorecard or
>>> those trying to make sense of it as a metric, those definitions will
>>> be important as well. They don't have to be on the top-level view of
>>> scorecard, however, they should be captured and link to somewhere.
>>>
>>> -peter
>>>
>>> *From:* Mark Norton [mailto:markjnorton@...]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:26 PM
>>> *To:* May, Megan Marie
>>> *Cc:* sakai-dev@...;
>>> sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI
>>>
>> UI;
>>
>>> sakai-user
>>> *Subject:* Proposed Scorecard Evaluation
>>>
>>> I have created an initial scorecard with evaluation based on Megan's
>>> notes at:
>>>
>>>
> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SCORE/Scorecard+E
>
>> valuation
>>
>>> Please jump in and add comments.
>>>
>>> - Mark Norton
>>>
>>> May, Megan Marie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jon,
>>>> Yes, this scorecard would have a dimension that would rate the
>>>> accessibility of a tool to people with disabilities. The
>>>>
> definition
>
>> of
>>
>>>> the elements on the scorecard is an activity that is going to
>>>>
>> require
>>
>>>> the input of folks with expertise in many different areas.
>>>>
>>>> If you are at all interested, I encourage you to join the collab
>>>>
>> site.
>>
>>>> Megan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@...]
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:58 PM
>>>> To: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...;
>>>> sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI
>>>>
>> UI;
>>
>>>> sakai-user
>>>> Subject: Re: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
>>>>
>>>> I this type of resource be place to rate the accessibility of a
>>>> feature to people with disabilities?
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- Original message ----
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:59:43 -0400
>>>>> From: "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay@...>
>>>>> Subject: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
>>>>> To: "sakai-dev@..."
>>>>>
>>>> <sakai-dev@...>,
>>>> "sakai-qa@..." <sakai-
>>>>
>> qa@...>,
>>
>>>> Sakai Accessibility WG <accessibility@...>,
>>>>
>> Sakai
>>
>>>> UI UI <sakai-dg-ui@...>, sakai-user
>>>> <sakai-user@...>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A "Scorecard Working Group" formed at the Paris
>>>>> Conference to tackle the issue of how to improve
>>>>> upon the current Core/Provisional/Contrib Tool
>>>>> Status system and its criteria. The goal is to
>>>>> produce a Tool Scorecard and a Service Scorecard,
>>>>> which will provide the release team with guidance on
>>>>> what to include in a release, and organizations
>>>>> deploying Sakai a comparative evaluation of tools'
>>>>> and services' capabilities. Additionally, there
>>>>> is a goal of defining a set of criteria with
>>>>> tool/service evaluation being performed for the 2.6
>>>>> release. During the meeting in Paris, the group
>>>>> defined possible several dimensions for the score
>>>>> card. Notes of this meeting can be found on the
>>>>> WG's confluence space at:
>>>>> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/FwDfAQ.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Additional participation is welcomed from all in the
>>>>> community. If you are interested in participating,
>>>>> please join the WG on collab by using the
>>>>> MyWorkspace Membership tool. To join follow these
>>>>> steps
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> . Log into
>>>>> https://collab.sakaiproject.org/portal
>>>>>
>>>>> . Choose the Membership tool
>>>>>
>>>>> . Select the `Joinable sites' link
>>>>>
>>>>> . Search on `WG: Scorecard' and click join
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Megan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Room 86
>>>> 1207 S. Oak Street
>>>> Champaign, Illinois 61821
>>>>
>>>> Voice: (217) 244-5870
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RE: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation

2008-07-16T07:31:48Z

Sure go for it, Mark. I would also encourage anyone else contributing to
the page to note any differences they have with definitions for items
they are commenting on, or to add their definition for any that are
missing one.

-peter

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Norton [mailto:markjnorton@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:26 AM
> To: Knoop, Peter
> Cc: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...; sakai-
> qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI;
sakai-
> user
> Subject: Re: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation
>
> This is definitely worth doing, Peter. I had trouble understanding
some
> of the items from the notes. Definitions would go a long way towards
> refining the scorecard. Do you want me to take a whack at that?
>
> - Mark
>
> Knoop, Peter wrote:
> >
> > I'd also like to see the "Scorecard Items" defined. Even during the
> > BOF in Paris it was clear that folks have different views on what
was

> > meant by some of these items. For those filling out the scorecard or
> > those trying to make sense of it as a metric, those definitions will
> > be important as well. They don't have to be on the top-level view of
> > scorecard, however, they should be captured and link to somewhere.
> >
> > -peter
> >
> > *From:* Mark Norton [mailto:markjnorton@...]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:26 PM
> > *To:* May, Megan Marie
> > *Cc:* sakai-dev@...;
> > sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI
> UI;
> > sakai-user
> > *Subject:* Proposed Scorecard Evaluation
> >
> > I have created an initial scorecard with evaluation based on Megan's
> > notes at:
> >
>

http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SCORE/Scorecard+E

> valuation
> >
> >
> > Please jump in and add comments.
> >
> > - Mark Norton
> >
> > May, Megan Marie wrote:
> > > Jon,
> > > Yes, this scorecard would have a dimension that would rate the
> > > accessibility of a tool to people with disabilities. The

definition

> of
> > > the elements on the scorecard is an activity that is going to
> require
> > > the input of folks with expertise in many different areas.
> > >
> > > If you are at all interested, I encourage you to join the collab
> site.
> > > Megan
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@...]
> > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:58 PM
> > > To: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...;
> > > sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI
> UI;
> > > sakai-user
> > > Subject: Re: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
> > >
> > > I this type of resource be place to rate the accessibility of a
> > > feature to people with disabilities?
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > ---- Original message ----
> > > >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:59:43 -0400
> > > >From: "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay@...>
> > > >Subject: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
> > > >To: "sakai-dev@..."
> > > <sakai-dev@...>,
> > > "sakai-qa@..." <sakai-
> qa@...>,
> > > Sakai Accessibility WG <accessibility@...>,
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A "Scorecard Working Group" formed at the Paris
> > > > Conference to tackle the issue of how to improve
> > > > upon the current Core/Provisional/Contrib Tool
> > > > Status system and its criteria. The goal is to
> > > > produce a Tool Scorecard and a Service Scorecard,
> > > > which will provide the release team with guidance on
> > > > what to include in a release, and organizations
> > > > deploying Sakai a comparative evaluation of tools'
> > > > and services' capabilities. Additionally, there
> > > > is a goal of defining a set of criteria with
> > > > tool/service evaluation being performed for the 2.6
> > > > release. During the meeting in Paris, the group
> > > > defined possible several dimensions for the score
> > > > card. Notes of this meeting can be found on the
> > > > WG's confluence space at:
> > > > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/FwDfAQ.
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Re: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation

2008-07-16T07:26:14Z

This is definitely worth doing, Peter. I had trouble understanding some
of the items from the notes. Definitions would go a long way towards
refining the scorecard. Do you want me to take a whack at that?

- Mark

Knoop, Peter wrote:

>
> I’d also like to see the “Scorecard Items” defined. Even during the
> BOF in Paris it was clear that folks have different views on what was
> meant by some of these items. For those filling out the scorecard or
> those trying to make sense of it as a metric, those definitions will
> be important as well. They don’t have to be on the top-level view of
> scorecard, however, they should be captured and link to somewhere.
>
> -peter
>
> *From:* Mark Norton [mailto:markjnorton@...]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:26 PM
> *To:* May, Megan Marie
> *Cc:* sakai-dev@...;
> sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI;
> sakai-user
> *Subject:* Proposed Scorecard Evaluation
>
> I have created an initial scorecard with evaluation based on Megan's
> notes at:
> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SCORE/Scorecard+Evaluation
>
>
> Please jump in and add comments.
>
> - Mark Norton
>
> May, Megan Marie wrote:
> > Jon,
> > Yes, this scorecard would have a dimension that would rate the
> > accessibility of a tool to people with disabilities. The definition of
> > the elements on the scorecard is an activity that is going to require
> > the input of folks with expertise in many different areas.
> >
> > If you are at all interested, I encourage you to join the collab site.
> > Megan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@...]
> > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:58 PM
> > To: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...;
> > sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI;
> > sakai-user
> > Subject: Re: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
> >
> > I this type of resource be place to rate the accessibility of a
> > feature to people with disabilities?
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > ---- Original message ----
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:59:43 -0400
> > >From: "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay@...>
> > >Subject: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
> > >To: "sakai-dev@..."
> > <sakai-dev@...>,
> > "sakai-qa@..." <sakai-qa@...>,
> > Sakai Accessibility WG <accessibility@...>, Sakai
> > UI UI <sakai-dg-ui@...>, sakai-user
> > <sakai-user@...>
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A "Scorecard Working Group" formed at the Paris
> > > Conference to tackle the issue of how to improve
> > > upon the current Core/Provisional/Contrib Tool
> > > Status system and its criteria. The goal is to
> > > produce a Tool Scorecard and a Service Scorecard,
> > > which will provide the release team with guidance on
> > > what to include in a release, and organizations
> > > deploying Sakai a comparative evaluation of tools'
> > > and services' capabilities. Additionally, there
> > > is a goal of defining a set of criteria with
> > > tool/service evaluation being performed for the 2.6
> > > release. During the meeting in Paris, the group
> > > defined possible several dimensions for the score
> > > card. Notes of this meeting can be found on the
> > > WG's confluence space at:
> > > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/FwDfAQ.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Additional participation is welcomed from all in the
> > > community. If you are interested in participating,
> > > please join the WG on collab by using the
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> > >
> > > . Select the `Joinable sites' link
> > >
> > > . Search on `WG: Scorecard' and click join
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Megan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation

2008-07-16T07:24:59Z

I'd also like to see the "Scorecard Items" defined. Even during the BOF
in Paris it was clear that folks have different views on what was meant
by some of these items. For those filling out the scorecard or those
trying to make sense of it as a metric, those definitions will be
important as well. They don't have to be on the top-level view of
scorecard, however, they should be captured and link to somewhere.

-peter

From: Mark Norton [mailto:markjnorton@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:26 PM
To: May, Megan Marie
Cc: sakai-dev@...; sakai-qa@...;
Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI; sakai-user
Subject: Proposed Scorecard Evaluation

I have created an initial scorecard with evaluation based on Megan's
notes at:
http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SCORE/Scorecard+Ev
aluation

Please jump in and add comments.

- Mark Norton

May, Megan Marie wrote:
> Jon,
> Yes, this scorecard would have a dimension that would rate the
> accessibility of a tool to people with disabilities. The definition of

> the elements on the scorecard is an activity that is going to require
> the input of folks with expertise in many different areas.
>
> If you are at all interested, I encourage you to join the collab site.

> Megan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@...]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:58 PM
> To: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...;
> sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI;

> sakai-user
> Subject: Re: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
>
> I this type of resource be place to rate the accessibility of a
> feature to people with disabilities?
>
> Jon
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:59:43 -0400
> >From: "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay@...>
> >Subject: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
> >To: "sakai-dev@..."
> <sakai-dev@...>,
> "sakai-qa@..." <sakai-qa@...>,

> Sakai Accessibility WG <accessibility@...>, Sakai
> UI UI <sakai-dg-ui@...>, sakai-user
> <sakai-user@...>
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > A "Scorecard Working Group" formed at the Paris
> > Conference to tackle the issue of how to improve
> > upon the current Core/Provisional/Contrib Tool
> > Status system and its criteria. The goal is to
> > produce a Tool Scorecard and a Service Scorecard,
> > which will provide the release team with guidance on
> > what to include in a release, and organizations
> > deploying Sakai a comparative evaluation of tools'
> > and services' capabilities. Additionally, there
> > is a goal of defining a set of criteria with
> > tool/service evaluation being performed for the 2.6
> > release. During the meeting in Paris, the group
> > defined possible several dimensions for the score
> > card. Notes of this meeting can be found on the
> > WG's confluence space at:
> > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/FwDfAQ.
> >
> >
> >
> > Additional participation is welcomed from all in the
> > community. If you are interested in participating,
> > please join the WG on collab by using the
> > MyWorkspace Membership tool. To join follow these
> > steps
> >
> >
> >
> > . Log into
> > https://collab.sakaiproject.org/portal
> >
> > . Choose the Membership tool
> >
> > . Select the `Joinable sites' link
> >
> > . Search on `WG: Scorecard' and click join
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Megan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Proposed Scorecard Evaluation

2008-07-15T14:26:04Z

I have created an initial scorecard with evaluation based on Megan's
notes at:
http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/display/SCORE/Scorecard+Evaluation

Please jump in and add comments.

- Mark Norton

May, Megan Marie wrote:

> Jon,
> Yes, this scorecard would have a dimension that would rate the
> accessibility of a tool to people with disabilities. The definition of
> the elements on the scorecard is an activity that is going to require
> the input of folks with expertise in many different areas.
>
> If you are at all interested, I encourage you to join the collab site.
> Megan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@...]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:58 PM
> To: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...;
> sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI;
> sakai-user
> Subject: Re: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
>
> I this type of resource be place to rate the accessibility of a
> feature to people with disabilities?
>
> Jon
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:59:43 -0400
> >From: "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay@...>
> >Subject: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
> >To: "sakai-dev@..."
> <sakai-dev@...>,
> "sakai-qa@..." <sakai-qa@...>,
> Sakai Accessibility WG <accessibility@...>, Sakai
> UI UI <sakai-dg-ui@...>, sakai-user
> <sakai-user@...>
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > A "Scorecard Working Group" formed at the Paris
> > Conference to tackle the issue of how to improve
> > upon the current Core/Provisional/Contrib Tool
> > Status system and its criteria. The goal is to
> > produce a Tool Scorecard and a Service Scorecard,
> > which will provide the release team with guidance on
> > what to include in a release, and organizations
> > deploying Sakai a comparative evaluation of tools'
> > and services' capabilities. Additionally, there
> > is a goal of defining a set of criteria with
> > tool/service evaluation being performed for the 2.6
> > release. During the meeting in Paris, the group
> > defined possible several dimensions for the score
> > card. Notes of this meeting can be found on the
> > WG's confluence space at:
> > http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/FwDfAQ.
> >
> >
> >
> > Additional participation is welcomed from all in the
> > community. If you are interested in participating,
> > please join the WG on collab by using the
> > MyWorkspace Membership tool. To join follow these
> > steps
> >
> >
> >
> > . Log into
> > https://collab.sakaiproject.org/portal
> >
> > . Choose the Membership tool
> >
> > . Select the `Joinable sites' link
> >
> > . Search on `WG: Scorecard' and click join
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Megan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG

2008-07-15T09:56:04Z

Jon,
Yes, this scorecard would have a dimension that would rate the accessibility of a tool to people with disabilities. The definition of the elements on the scorecard is an activity that is going to require the input of folks with expertise in many different areas.

If you are at all interested, I encourage you to join the collab site.
Megan

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@...]
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 4:58 PM
To: May, Megan Marie; sakai-dev@...; sakai-qa@...; Sakai Accessibility WG; Sakai UI UI; sakai-user
Subject: Re: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG

I this type of resource be place to rate the accessibility of a feature to people with disabilities?

Jon

---- Original message ----

>Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:59:43 -0400
>From: "May, Megan Marie" <mmmay@...>
>Subject: Scorecard BOF and resulting WG
>To: "sakai-dev@..." <sakai-dev@...>, "sakai-qa@..." <sakai-qa@...>, Sakai Accessibility WG <accessibility@...>, Sakai UI UI <sakai-dg-ui@...>, sakai-user <sakai-user@...>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> A "Scorecard Working Group" formed at the Paris
> Conference to tackle the issue of how to improve
> upon the current Core/Provisional/Contrib Tool
> Status system and its criteria. The goal is to
> produce a Tool Scorecard and a Service Scorecard,
> which will provide the release team with guidance on
> what to include in a release, and organizations
> deploying Sakai a comparative evaluation of tools'
> and services' capabilities. Additionally, there
> is a goal of defining a set of criteria with
> tool/service evaluation being performed for the 2.6
> release. During the meeting in Paris, the group
> defined possible several dimensions for the score
> card. Notes of this meeting can be found on the
> WG's confluence space at:
> http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/FwDfAQ.
>
>
>
> Additional participation is welcomed from all in the
> community. If you are interested in participating,
> please join the WG on collab by using the
> MyWorkspace Membership tool. To join follow these
> steps
>
>
>
> . Log into
> https://collab.sakaiproject.org/portal
>
> . Choose the Membership tool
>
> . Select the `Joinable sites' link
>
> . Search on `WG: Scorecard' and click join
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Megan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Scorecard BOF and resulting WG

2008-07-14T12:59:43Z

Hi everyone,

A "Scorecard Working Group" formed at the Paris Conference to tackle the issue of how to improve upon the current Core/Provisional/Contrib Tool Status system and its criteria. The goal is to produce a Tool Scorecard and a Service Scorecard, which will provide the release team with guidance on what to include in a release, and organizations deploying Sakai a comparative evaluation of tools' and services' capabilities. Additionally, there is a goal of defining a set of criteria with tool/service evaluation being performed for the 2.6 release. During the meeting in Paris, the group defined possible several dimensions for the score card. Notes of this meeting can be found on the WG's confluence space at: http://confluence.sakaiproject.org/confluence/x/FwDfAQ.

Additional participation is welcomed from all in the community. If you are interested in participating, please join the WG on collab by using the MyWorkspace Membership tool. To join follow these steps

* Log into https://collab.sakaiproject.org/portal

* Choose the Membership tool

* Select the 'Joinable sites' link

* Search on 'WG: Scorecard' and click join

Thanks!
Megan

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RE: wysiwyg wiki?

2008-07-06T01:04:17Z

Hi Mathieu

It seems we have to be patient just a little longer. In the meantime,
though, your page is really useful. Thanks.

Regards

Ken

---------------------------
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IT Health Education
http://www.ithealthed.com
____/\/********\/\____

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: wysiwyg wiki?
> From: "Plourde, Mathieu" <mathieu@...>
> Date: Sun, July 06, 2008 8:04 am
> To: Ken Masters <kmasters@...>
> Cc: pedagogy
> <pedagogy@...>,"sakai-dev@..."
> <sakai-dev@...>,sakai-dg-ui
> <sakai-dg-ui@...>, Sean
> DeMonner<demonner@...>, 'Stephen Marquard'
> <stephen.marquard@...>, IanBoston <ieb@...>
>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> I agree that the Wiki would need a good WYSIWYG editor that does what it is supposed to do. When we implemented the wiki FCK editor in 2.5.0, I tested it and was greatly disappointed.
>
> In the meantime, I have created a lot of resources to support faculty and students in using wikis. Might not be what you are looking for, but it might help get things started... Have a look at the following URL:
>
> http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/wiki/
>
> I did a presentation in Paris that was recorded. You will probably hear how to access it online in the near future.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> =================================
>
> Mathieu Plourde, MBA
> Instructional Designer
> IT-User Services
> University of Delaware
> 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
> Newark, DE 19716
>
> Phone: 302-831-4060
> Fax: 302-831-4205
> mathieu@...
> http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/
>
> =================================
>
> From: Stephen Marquard [mailto:stephen.marquard@...]
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:09 PM
> To: Ken Masters; Ian Boston
> Cc: pedagogy; sakai-dev@...; sakai-dg-ui; Sean DeMonner
> Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki?
>
> Hi all,
>
> WYSIWYG Wiki is not in 2.5, it's in trunk. Which means it's not yet available in a released version of Sakai.
>
> I think there also may still be one or two bugs in it on browsers that are supported, so it needs a proper QA cycle.
>
> Cheers
> Stephen
>
> >>> "Ian Boston" <ieb@...> 2008/07/04 09:32 AM >>>
>
> In 2.5 there is a full FCK Editor (ie wysiwyg) editor in wiki thanks
> to CRIM. There are still one of 2 bugs on browsers that are not
> officially supported by Sakai.
>
> Have a look at qa1-nl.sakaiproject.org. You should see three tabs on
> the top of the editor. Edit, Edit in Html and Preview.
>
> Unfortunately, FCK does not have the full capabilities of the wiki
> language (eg recent changes and other macros) so where it cant cope,
> the wiki markup will remain.
>
> I believe there is a patch somewhere in JIRA for 2.4
> Ian
>
> 2008/7/4 Ken Masters <kmasters@...>:
> > Hi Sean
> >
> > Yes, it's a step in the right direction, and does remove the need for
> > people to remember the codes, but it's still a long way off. It's where
> > HTML editors were about 10-15 years ago. I know that sounds harsh, but
> > it is a lot lighter than some of the criticisms of it that I have had to
> > field from staff and students - some of which would be blocked by your
> > ISPs if repeated here :-)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Ken Masters
> > IT Health Education
> > http://www.ithealthed.com
> > ____/\/********\/\____
> >
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki?
> >> From: Sean DeMonner <demonner@...>
> >> Date: Thu, July 03, 2008 11:18 pm
> >> To: Ken Masters <kmasters@...>
> >> Cc: "pedagogy"
> >> <pedagogy@...>,"'sakai-dev@...'"
> >> <sakai-dev@...>,"sakai-dg-ui"
> >> <sakai-dg-ui@...>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ken,
> >>
> >> I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5
> >> instance has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit
> >> mode) that provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold,
> >> italic, tables, etc). See attached screen shot:
> >>
> >>
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RE: wysiwyg wiki?

2008-07-05T23:04:15Z

Hi Ken,

I agree that the Wiki would need a good WYSIWYG editor that does what it is supposed to do. When we implemented the wiki FCK editor in 2.5.0, I tested it and was greatly disappointed.

In the meantime, I have created a lot of resources to support faculty and students in using wikis. Might not be what you are looking for, but it might help get things started... Have a look at the following URL:

http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/wiki/

I did a presentation in Paris that was recorded. You will probably hear how to access it online in the near future.

Best Regards,

=================================

Mathieu Plourde, MBA
Instructional Designer
IT-User Services
University of Delaware
192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
Newark, DE 19716

Phone: 302-831-4060
Fax: 302-831-4205
mathieu@...
http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/

=================================

From: Stephen Marquard [mailto:stephen.marquard@...]
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:09 PM
To: Ken Masters; Ian Boston
Cc: pedagogy; sakai-dev@...; sakai-dg-ui; Sean DeMonner
Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki?

Hi all,

WYSIWYG Wiki is not in 2.5, it's in trunk. Which means it's not yet available in a released version of Sakai.

I think there also may still be one or two bugs in it on browsers that are supported, so it needs a proper QA cycle.

Cheers
Stephen

>>> "Ian Boston" <ieb@...> 2008/07/04 09:32 AM >>>

In 2.5 there is a full FCK Editor (ie wysiwyg) editor in wiki thanks
to CRIM. There are still one of 2 bugs on browsers that are not
officially supported by Sakai.

Have a look at qa1-nl.sakaiproject.org. You should see three tabs on
the top of the editor. Edit, Edit in Html and Preview.

Unfortunately, FCK does not have the full capabilities of the wiki
language (eg recent changes and other macros) so where it cant cope,
the wiki markup will remain.

I believe there is a patch somewhere in JIRA for 2.4
Ian

2008/7/4 Ken Masters <kmasters@...>:

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Re: wysiwyg wiki?

2008-07-04T07:09:13Z

Hi all,

WYSIWYG Wiki is not in 2.5, it's in trunk. Which means it's not yet available in a released version of Sakai.

I think there also may still be one or two bugs in it on browsers that are supported, so it needs a proper QA cycle.

Cheers
Stephen

>>> "Ian Boston" <ieb@...> 2008/07/04 09:32 AM >>>

In 2.5 there is a full FCK Editor (ie wysiwyg) editor in wiki thanks
to CRIM. There are still one of 2 bugs on browsers that are not
officially supported by Sakai.

Have a look at qa1-nl.sakaiproject.org. You should see three tabs on
the top of the editor. Edit, Edit in Html and Preview.

Unfortunately, FCK does not have the full capabilities of the wiki
language (eg recent changes and other macros) so where it cant cope,
the wiki markup will remain.

I believe there is a patch somewhere in JIRA for 2.4
Ian

2008/7/4 Ken Masters <kmasters@...>:

Re: wysiwyg wiki?

2008-07-04T03:24:38Z

Sean DeMonner wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5 instance
> has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit mode) that
> provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold, italic, tables,
> etc). See attached screen shot:
>
> [see attachment: "FirefoxScreenSnapz001.png", size: 16751 bytes]
>
>
> It's not true wysiwyg but it's closer than pure text...
>
> SMD.
>
>
>
> On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Ken Masters wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more
>> sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board /
>> assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a wiki.
>> I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki
>> in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding).
>> At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me
>> correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has
>> there been any move on this?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> ---------------------------
>> Ken Masters
>> IT Health Education
>> http://www.ithealthed.com
>> ____/\/********\/\____
>>
>>
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yes there is a wysiwyg editor (it looks like FCK) - we have installed it
and are using it in anger. It generally works fine but is slightly
flakey. We downloaded the patch from Sakai JIRA.

I agree that without this add-on the wiki is not really usable by every
user. It makes such a difference.

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Re: wysiwyg wiki?

2008-07-04T00:32:21Z

In 2.5 there is a full FCK Editor (ie wysiwyg) editor in wiki thanks
to CRIM. There are still one of 2 bugs on browsers that are not
officially supported by Sakai.

Have a look at qa1-nl.sakaiproject.org. You should see three tabs on
the top of the editor. Edit, Edit in Html and Preview.

Unfortunately, FCK does not have the full capabilities of the wiki
language (eg recent changes and other macros) so where it cant cope,
the wiki markup will remain.

I believe there is a patch somewhere in JIRA for 2.4
Ian

2008/7/4 Ken Masters <kmasters@...>:

> Hi Sean
>
> Yes, it's a step in the right direction, and does remove the need for
> people to remember the codes, but it's still a long way off. It's where
> HTML editors were about 10-15 years ago. I know that sounds harsh, but
> it is a lot lighter than some of the criticisms of it that I have had to
> field from staff and students - some of which would be blocked by your
> ISPs if repeated here :-)
>
> Regards
>
> Ken
>
> ---------------------------
> Ken Masters
> IT Health Education
> http://www.ithealthed.com
> ____/\/********\/\____
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki?
>> From: Sean DeMonner <demonner@...>
>> Date: Thu, July 03, 2008 11:18 pm
>> To: Ken Masters <kmasters@...>
>> Cc: "pedagogy"
>> <pedagogy@...>,"'sakai-dev@...'"
>> <sakai-dev@...>,"sakai-dg-ui"
>> <sakai-dg-ui@...>
>>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5
>> instance has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit
>> mode) that provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold,
>> italic, tables, etc). See attached screen shot:
>>
>>
>>
>> It's not true wysiwyg but it's closer than pure text...
>>
>> SMD.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Ken Masters wrote:
>>
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more
>> > sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board /
>> > assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a
>> > wiki.
>> > I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki
>> > in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding).
>> > At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me
>> > correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has
>> > there been any move on this?
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Ken
>> >
>> > ---------------------------
>> > Ken Masters
>> > IT Health Education
>> > http://www.ithealthed.com
>> > ____/\/********\/\____
>> >
>> >
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RE: wysiwyg wiki?

2008-07-04T00:24:33Z

Hi Sean

Yes, it's a step in the right direction, and does remove the need for
people to remember the codes, but it's still a long way off. It's where
HTML editors were about 10-15 years ago. I know that sounds harsh, but
it is a lot lighter than some of the criticisms of it that I have had to
field from staff and students - some of which would be blocked by your
ISPs if repeated here :-)

Regards

Ken

---------------------------
Ken Masters
IT Health Education
http://www.ithealthed.com
____/\/********\/\____

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: wysiwyg wiki?
> From: Sean DeMonner <demonner@...>
> Date: Thu, July 03, 2008 11:18 pm
> To: Ken Masters <kmasters@...>
> Cc: "pedagogy"
> <pedagogy@...>,"'sakai-dev@...'"
> <sakai-dev@...>,"sakai-dg-ui"
> <sakai-dg-ui@...>
>
>
> Ken,
>
> I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5
> instance has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit
> mode) that provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold,
> italic, tables, etc). See attached screen shot:
>
>
>
> It's not true wysiwyg but it's closer than pure text...
>
> SMD.
>
>
>
> On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Ken Masters wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more
> > sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board /
> > assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a
> > wiki.
> > I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki
> > in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding).
> > At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me
> > correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has
> > there been any move on this?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Ken Masters
> > IT Health Education
> > http://www.ithealthed.com
> > ____/\/********\/\____
> >
> >
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Re: wysiwyg wiki?

2008-07-03T14:18:47Z

Ken,

I'm not sure of the version of Sakai you're using but our 2.5
instance has a set of icons along the top of the page (when in edit
mode) that provide the most common wysiwyg applications (bold,
italic, tables, etc). See attached screen shot:

It's not true wysiwyg but it's closer than pure text...

SMD.

On Jul 3, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Ken Masters wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more
> sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board /
> assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a
> wiki.
> I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki
> in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding).
> At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me
> correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has
> there been any move on this?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards
>
> Ken
>
> ---------------------------
> Ken Masters
> IT Health Education
> http://www.ithealthed.com
> ____/\/********\/\____
>
>
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wysiwyg wiki?

2008-07-03T11:48:57Z

Hi All

I'm trying to encourage a staff member to become a little more
sophisticated than the old "lecture material / discussion board /
assignment and quiz" usage, and see the huge gap to be filled by a wiki.
I have hit, however, a block that was raised some time ago - the wiki
in Sakai still requires coding (it's not html, but it's still coding).
At the time that it was raised, there was (if memory serves me
correctly) a possibility that a wysiwyg wiki was on the horizon. Has
there been any move on this?

Thanks.

Regards

Ken

---------------------------
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IT Health Education
http://www.ithealthed.com
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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-22T13:05:13Z

The other thing that makes me much more positive about GWT is
GWT4Gadgets, which should enable a GWT programmer to create a Gadget
and so interoperate with other pure html Gadgets.
Ian

On 22 May 2008, at 16:45, Robert Gérin-Lajoie wrote:

> Yes, i suggest we take a deeper look at GWT vs JQuery at the Paris
> Conference.
>
> Like Ian mention, and our experience confirm it with our ongoing work
> in the OpenSyllabus project, it is very easy to build a rich tool
> centric interface with GWT.
> But another major point is that in the future we can build
> disconnected tools, with the combinaison of GWT and Google Gears.
> This alone is a major fonctionnal plus for our educationnal scenarios.
>
> See you in Paris!
>
> Robert Gérin-Lajoie
> Directeur intérimaire du BENA
> Université de Montréal
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Ian Boston <ieb@...> wrote:
>> Quick question, how is the work intending to be done ?
>>
>> Is it an improvement to the UI by editing existing screens and
>> using off the
>> shelf widgets ?
>> Or a larger re-write.
>>
>> If its a large re-write, we could save a massive amount of time
>> using GWT to
>> build the screens as in the ui is mainly administrative, and GWT
>> in 1.5 (due
>> out very soon) has full keyboard accessibility and aria tags
>> (apparently).
>> Being entirely in client, it would also be much more responsive
>> than the
>> typical round trip cycle.
>>
>> The other reason for mentioning GWT, is its now possible to build
>> gadgets in
>> GWT so would fit in with the new UX work that Nathan has been
>> working on.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 May 2008, at 15:21, Plourde, Mathieu wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, there is a lot to be done in the Gradebook, and that would
>>> be very
>>> helpful. I agree! +1
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> =================================
>>>
>>> Mathieu Plourde, MBA
>>> Instructional Designer
>>> IT-User Services
>>> University of Delaware
>>> 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
>>> Newark, DE 19716
>>>
>>> Phone: 302-831-4060
>>> Fax: 302-831-4205
>>> mathieu@...
>>> http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/
>>>
>>> =================================
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Goodrum [mailto:goodrum@...]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:03 AM
>>> To: 'Clay Fenlason'; 'Colin Clark'
>>> Cc: 'Noah Botimer'; 'James Renfro'; 'sakai-dev sakai-dev'; 'Sakai
>>> UI UI'
>>> Subject: RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>>
>>> An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly
>>> by faculty
>>> and especially when they have lots of students and lots of
>>> assignments.
>>>
>>> We have one online course with 600 students per semester and
>>> nearly 200
>>> activities built with a testing tool that feeds results directly
>>> into the
>>> gradebook. The current gradebook doesn't serve this course very
>>> well at
>>> this point.
>>>
>>> The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google
>>> Docs, is
>>> an interesting model.
>>>
>>> +1 for an improved gradebook UI!
>>>
>>> - David
>>>
>>> David Goodrum
>>> Director, Academic & Faculty Services
>>> University Information Technology Services
>>> Indiana University
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: khomotso@... [mailto:khomotso@...] On Behalf Of
>>> Clay
>>> Fenlason
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:29 PM
>>> To: Colin Clark
>>> Cc: Noah Botimer; James Renfro; sakai-dev sakai-dev; Sakai UI UI
>>> Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark
>>> <colin.clark@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?
>>>
>>> I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
>>> extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new
>>> gradebook UI.
>>> I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
>>> of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
>>> something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
>>> problems Nico noted.
>>>
>>> ~Clay
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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-22T08:45:30Z

Yes, i suggest we take a deeper look at GWT vs JQuery at the Paris Conference.

Like Ian mention, and our experience confirm it with our ongoing work
in the OpenSyllabus project, it is very easy to build a rich tool
centric interface with GWT.
But another major point is that in the future we can build
disconnected tools, with the combinaison of GWT and Google Gears.
This alone is a major fonctionnal plus for our educationnal scenarios.

See you in Paris!

Robert Gérin-Lajoie
Directeur intérimaire du BENA
Université de Montréal

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Ian Boston <ieb@...> wrote:

> Quick question, how is the work intending to be done ?
>
> Is it an improvement to the UI by editing existing screens and using off the
> shelf widgets ?
> Or a larger re-write.
>
> If its a large re-write, we could save a massive amount of time using GWT to
> build the screens as in the ui is mainly administrative, and GWT in 1.5 (due
> out very soon) has full keyboard accessibility and aria tags (apparently).
> Being entirely in client, it would also be much more responsive than the
> typical round trip cycle.
>
> The other reason for mentioning GWT, is its now possible to build gadgets in
> GWT so would fit in with the new UX work that Nathan has been working on.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 16 May 2008, at 15:21, Plourde, Mathieu wrote:
>
>> Yes, there is a lot to be done in the Gradebook, and that would be very
>> helpful. I agree! +1
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> =================================
>>
>> Mathieu Plourde, MBA
>> Instructional Designer
>> IT-User Services
>> University of Delaware
>> 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
>> Newark, DE 19716
>>
>> Phone: 302-831-4060
>> Fax: 302-831-4205
>> mathieu@...
>> http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/
>>
>> =================================
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Goodrum [mailto:goodrum@...]
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:03 AM
>> To: 'Clay Fenlason'; 'Colin Clark'
>> Cc: 'Noah Botimer'; 'James Renfro'; 'sakai-dev sakai-dev'; 'Sakai UI UI'
>> Subject: RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>
>> An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly by faculty
>> and especially when they have lots of students and lots of assignments.
>>
>> We have one online course with 600 students per semester and nearly 200
>> activities built with a testing tool that feeds results directly into the
>> gradebook. The current gradebook doesn't serve this course very well at
>> this point.
>>
>> The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google Docs, is
>> an interesting model.
>>
>> +1 for an improved gradebook UI!
>>
>> - David
>>
>> David Goodrum
>> Director, Academic & Faculty Services
>> University Information Technology Services
>> Indiana University
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: khomotso@... [mailto:khomotso@...] On Behalf Of Clay
>> Fenlason
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:29 PM
>> To: Colin Clark
>> Cc: Noah Botimer; James Renfro; sakai-dev sakai-dev; Sakai UI UI
>> Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>
>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark <colin.clark@...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?
>>
>> I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
>> extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook UI.
>> I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
>> of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
>> something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
>> problems Nico noted.
>>
>> ~Clay
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Fwd: Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) latested released !

2008-05-22T01:36:05Z

Everyone probably already knows about this but...

/Chuck

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Yung-Ju Chang" <yuchang@...>
> Date: May 22, 2008 5:37:36 AM BST
> To: si.all.open@...
> Subject: Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) latested released !
>
> Hi all,
>
> W3C just have released the latested Web Accessibility Initiative
> (WAI) on April.30 2008. I believe that many of you've already very
> familiar with W3C, so this is for those who might miss this lateset
> released verson and interested in web developement or evaluation.
> Please check the URL below:
>
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/quickref/20080430/Overview.php
>
> Hope you all have a good summer !
>
> Yung-Ju
>
>

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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-20T13:57:09Z

Excellent, we may also use GWT in places where there are only java
developers and the app it admin focused. GWT4Gadgets now exists, and
I am told that GWT 1.5 includes keyboard and aria. You dont happen to
know if it will play well with the fluid keyboard enhancer library ?
Ian

On 20 May 2008, at 17:45, Colin Clark wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> On 16-May-08, at 12:52 PM, Ian Boston wrote:
>
>> The interesting part here is that that it looks like its possible
>> to integrate components form 3rd party pure JS libs... and that
>> there are more and more component developers doing things for GWT.
>> It would also (I presume) be possible to take the Fluid widgets
>> and make them available in GWT.
>
> Yes, you're correct that it's possible to make Fluid components
> available to GWT. A couple of the Kuali Student guys were eager to
> give it a try with our new Uploader component, and I look forward
> to seeing their results.
>
> Colin
>
> ---
> Colin Clark
> Technical Lead, Fluid Project
> Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto
> http://fluidproject.org
>

Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-20T09:45:43Z

Hi Ian,

On 16-May-08, at 12:52 PM, Ian Boston wrote:

> The interesting part here is that that it looks like its possible to
> integrate components form 3rd party pure JS libs... and that there
> are more and more component developers doing things for GWT. It
> would also (I presume) be possible to take the Fluid widgets and
> make them available in GWT.

Yes, you're correct that it's possible to make Fluid components
available to GWT. A couple of the Kuali Student guys were eager to
give it a try with our new Uploader component, and I look forward to
seeing their results.

Colin

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Adaptive Technology Resource Centre, University of Toronto
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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-18T09:41:42Z

Clay mentions Flexigrid in another thread.

Flexigrid: http://webplicity.net/flexigrid/

I would also like to put in a vote for this component. I have not used
it, but a colleague of mine is using it on a commercial project and
has had very good luck with it.

It does need some work to be made accessible, but if there is some
consensus in the community to use this component then Fluid might be
able to work with the developer to add the accessibility hooks using
our jQuery based keyboard plugin and the jARIA plugin. Using a grid
based on jQuery makes this work much easier.

(I can't unilaterally promise Fluid's services here, but it is the
kind of thing that we do.)

- Eli

> I was looking for a good tabular grid for the assignments work, and
> came across Flexigrid: http://webplicity.net/flexigrid/
>
> It seems to be just about exactly what's needed, but I wanted to see
> if anyone out there has had any encounter with it.
>
> ~Clay

> Very cool :), it appears to have some limited calculation
> functionality. sum, average etc.
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 16 May 2008, at 16:56, Carl Hall wrote:
>
>> Just to throw another bit on the fire, there's also
>> TrimSpreadsheet. I haven't looked under the covers on this but the
>> demos seem pretty interesting.
>>
>> http://code.google.com/p/trimpath/wiki/TrimSpreadsheet
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Ian Boston <ieb@...> wrote:
>> Quick question, how is the work intending to be done ?
>>
>> Is it an improvement to the UI by editing existing screens and
>> using off the shelf widgets ?
>> Or a larger re-write.
>>
>> If its a large re-write, we could save a massive amount of time
>> using GWT to build the screens as in the ui is mainly
>> administrative, and GWT in 1.5 (due out very soon) has full
>> keyboard accessibility and aria tags (apparently). Being entirely
>> in client, it would also be much more responsive than the typical
>> round trip cycle.
>>
>> The other reason for mentioning GWT, is its now possible to build
>> gadgets in GWT so would fit in with the new UX work that Nathan has
>> been working on.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 May 2008, at 15:21, Plourde, Mathieu wrote:
>>
>> Yes, there is a lot to be done in the Gradebook, and that would be
>> very helpful. I agree! +1
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> =================================
>>
>> Mathieu Plourde, MBA
>> Instructional Designer
>> IT-User Services
>> University of Delaware
>> 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
>> Newark, DE 19716
>>
>> Phone: 302-831-4060
>> Fax: 302-831-4205
>> mathieu@...
>> http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/
>>
>> =================================
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Goodrum [mailto:goodrum@...]
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:03 AM
>> To: 'Clay Fenlason'; 'Colin Clark'
>> Cc: 'Noah Botimer'; 'James Renfro'; 'sakai-dev sakai-dev'; 'Sakai
>> UI UI'
>> Subject: RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>
>> An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly by
>> faculty and especially when they have lots of students and lots of
>> assignments.
>>
>> We have one online course with 600 students per semester and nearly
>> 200 activities built with a testing tool that feeds results
>> directly into the gradebook. The current gradebook doesn't serve
>> this course very well at this point.
>>
>> The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google
>> Docs, is an interesting model.
>>
>> +1 for an improved gradebook UI!
>>
>> - David
>>
>> David Goodrum
>> Director, Academic & Faculty Services
>> University Information Technology Services
>> Indiana University
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: khomotso@... [mailto:khomotso@...] On Behalf Of
>> Clay Fenlason
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:29 PM
>> To: Colin Clark
>> Cc: Noah Botimer; James Renfro; sakai-dev sakai-dev; Sakai UI UI
>> Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>
>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark
>> <colin.clark@...> wrote:
>> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?
>>
>> I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
>> extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook
>> UI.
>> I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
>> of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
>> something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
>> problems Nico noted.
>>
>> ~Clay
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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-16T11:54:39Z

Very cool :), it appears to have some limited calculation
functionality. sum, average etc.
Ian

On 16 May 2008, at 16:56, Carl Hall wrote:

> Just to throw another bit on the fire, there's also
> TrimSpreadsheet. I haven't looked under the covers on this but the
> demos seem pretty interesting.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/trimpath/wiki/TrimSpreadsheet
>
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Ian Boston <ieb@...> wrote:
> Quick question, how is the work intending to be done ?
>
> Is it an improvement to the UI by editing existing screens and
> using off the shelf widgets ?
> Or a larger re-write.
>
> If its a large re-write, we could save a massive amount of time
> using GWT to build the screens as in the ui is mainly
> administrative, and GWT in 1.5 (due out very soon) has full
> keyboard accessibility and aria tags (apparently). Being entirely
> in client, it would also be much more responsive than the typical
> round trip cycle.
>
> The other reason for mentioning GWT, is its now possible to build
> gadgets in GWT so would fit in with the new UX work that Nathan has
> been working on.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 16 May 2008, at 15:21, Plourde, Mathieu wrote:
>
> Yes, there is a lot to be done in the Gradebook, and that would be
> very helpful. I agree! +1
>
> Best Regards,
>
> =================================
>
> Mathieu Plourde, MBA
> Instructional Designer
> IT-User Services
> University of Delaware
> 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
> Newark, DE 19716
>
> Phone: 302-831-4060
> Fax: 302-831-4205
> mathieu@...
> http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/
>
> =================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Goodrum [mailto:goodrum@...]
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:03 AM
> To: 'Clay Fenlason'; 'Colin Clark'
> Cc: 'Noah Botimer'; 'James Renfro'; 'sakai-dev sakai-dev'; 'Sakai
> UI UI'
> Subject: RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>
> An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly by
> faculty and especially when they have lots of students and lots of
> assignments.
>
> We have one online course with 600 students per semester and nearly
> 200 activities built with a testing tool that feeds results
> directly into the gradebook. The current gradebook doesn't serve
> this course very well at this point.
>
> The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google
> Docs, is an interesting model.
>
> +1 for an improved gradebook UI!
>
> - David
>
> David Goodrum
> Director, Academic & Faculty Services
> University Information Technology Services
> Indiana University
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: khomotso@... [mailto:khomotso@...] On Behalf Of
> Clay Fenlason
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:29 PM
> To: Colin Clark
> Cc: Noah Botimer; James Renfro; sakai-dev sakai-dev; Sakai UI UI
> Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark
> <colin.clark@...> wrote:
> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?
>
> I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
> extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook UI.
> I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
> of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
> something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
> problems Nico noted.
>
> ~Clay
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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-16T09:52:12Z

It might be worth taking a revision from head of the GWT tree, just
because that will give you all the things that are going to be in 1.5

There are also an increasing number of widget components coming out.
Ext 2.0.2 is available as a component set (but has all the drawbacks
of ext and accessability), there are others. The interesting part
here is that that it looks like its possible to integrate components
form 3rd party pure JS libs... and that there are more and more
component developers doing things for GWT. It would also (I presume)
be possible to take the Fluid widgets and make them available in GWT.

Ian

On 16 May 2008, at 17:11, James Renfro wrote:

> It's a larger re-write. I've been meaning to explore GWT,
> especially since the jqGrid seems like its not quite there yet.
> I'll take a look.
>
>
> Ian Boston wrote:
>> Quick question, how is the work intending to be done ?
>>
>> Is it an improvement to the UI by editing existing screens and
>> using off the shelf widgets ?
>> Or a larger re-write.
>>
>> If its a large re-write, we could save a massive amount of time
>> using GWT to build the screens as in the ui is mainly
>> administrative, and GWT in 1.5 (due out very soon) has full
>> keyboard accessibility and aria tags (apparently). Being entirely
>> in client, it would also be much more responsive than the typical
>> round trip cycle.
>>
>> The other reason for mentioning GWT, is its now possible to build
>> gadgets in GWT so would fit in with the new UX work that Nathan
>> has been working on.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 May 2008, at 15:21, Plourde, Mathieu wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, there is a lot to be done in the Gradebook, and that would
>>> be very helpful. I agree! +1
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> =================================
>>>
>>> Mathieu Plourde, MBA
>>> Instructional Designer
>>> IT-User Services
>>> University of Delaware
>>> 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
>>> Newark, DE 19716
>>>
>>> Phone: 302-831-4060
>>> Fax: 302-831-4205
>>> mathieu@...
>>> http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/
>>>
>>> =================================
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Goodrum [mailto:goodrum@...]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:03 AM
>>> To: 'Clay Fenlason'; 'Colin Clark'
>>> Cc: 'Noah Botimer'; 'James Renfro'; 'sakai-dev sakai-dev'; 'Sakai
>>> UI UI'
>>> Subject: RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>>
>>> An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly
>>> by faculty and especially when they have lots of students and
>>> lots of assignments.
>>>
>>> We have one online course with 600 students per semester and
>>> nearly 200 activities built with a testing tool that feeds
>>> results directly into the gradebook. The current gradebook
>>> doesn't serve this course very well at this point.
>>>
>>> The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google
>>> Docs, is an interesting model.
>>>
>>> +1 for an improved gradebook UI!
>>>
>>> - David
>>>
>>> David Goodrum
>>> Director, Academic & Faculty Services
>>> University Information Technology Services
>>> Indiana University
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: khomotso@... [mailto:khomotso@...] On Behalf Of
>>> Clay Fenlason
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:29 PM
>>> To: Colin Clark
>>> Cc: Noah Botimer; James Renfro; sakai-dev sakai-dev; Sakai UI UI
>>> Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark
>>> <colin.clark@...> wrote:
>>>> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?
>>>
>>> I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
>>> extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new
>>> gradebook UI.
>>> I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
>>> of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
>>> something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
>>> problems Nico noted.
>>>
>>> ~Clay
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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-16T09:11:44Z

It's a larger re-write. I've been meaning to explore GWT, especially
since the jqGrid seems like its not quite there yet. I'll take a look.

Ian Boston wrote:

> Quick question, how is the work intending to be done ?
>
> Is it an improvement to the UI by editing existing screens and using
> off the shelf widgets ?
> Or a larger re-write.
>
> If its a large re-write, we could save a massive amount of time using
> GWT to build the screens as in the ui is mainly administrative, and
> GWT in 1.5 (due out very soon) has full keyboard accessibility and
> aria tags (apparently). Being entirely in client, it would also be
> much more responsive than the typical round trip cycle.
>
> The other reason for mentioning GWT, is its now possible to build
> gadgets in GWT so would fit in with the new UX work that Nathan has
> been working on.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 16 May 2008, at 15:21, Plourde, Mathieu wrote:
>
>> Yes, there is a lot to be done in the Gradebook, and that would be
>> very helpful. I agree! +1
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> =================================
>>
>> Mathieu Plourde, MBA
>> Instructional Designer
>> IT-User Services
>> University of Delaware
>> 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
>> Newark, DE 19716
>>
>> Phone: 302-831-4060
>> Fax: 302-831-4205
>> mathieu@...
>> http://copland.udel.edu/~mathieu/
>>
>> =================================
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Goodrum [mailto:goodrum@...]
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:03 AM
>> To: 'Clay Fenlason'; 'Colin Clark'
>> Cc: 'Noah Botimer'; 'James Renfro'; 'sakai-dev sakai-dev'; 'Sakai UI UI'
>> Subject: RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>
>> An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly by
>> faculty and especially when they have lots of students and lots of
>> assignments.
>>
>> We have one online course with 600 students per semester and nearly
>> 200 activities built with a testing tool that feeds results directly
>> into the gradebook. The current gradebook doesn't serve this course
>> very well at this point.
>>
>> The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google
>> Docs, is an interesting model.
>>
>> +1 for an improved gradebook UI!
>>
>> - David
>>
>> David Goodrum
>> Director, Academic & Faculty Services
>> University Information Technology Services
>> Indiana University
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: khomotso@... [mailto:khomotso@...] On Behalf Of
>> Clay Fenlason
>> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:29 PM
>> To: Colin Clark
>> Cc: Noah Botimer; James Renfro; sakai-dev sakai-dev; Sakai UI UI
>> Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>>
>> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark
>> <colin.clark@...> wrote:
>>> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?
>>
>> I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
>> extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook UI.
>> I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
>> of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
>> something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
>> problems Nico noted.
>>
>> ~Clay
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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-16T08:07:10Z

Quick question, how is the work intending to be done ?

Is it an improvement to the UI by editing existing screens and using
off the shelf widgets ?
Or a larger re-write.

If its a large re-write, we could save a massive amount of time using
GWT to build the screens as in the ui is mainly administrative, and
GWT in 1.5 (due out very soon) has full keyboard accessibility and
aria tags (apparently). Being entirely in client, it would also be
much more responsive than the typical round trip cycle.

The other reason for mentioning GWT, is its now possible to build
gadgets in GWT so would fit in with the new UX work that Nathan has
been working on.

Ian

On 16 May 2008, at 15:21, Plourde, Mathieu wrote:

> Yes, there is a lot to be done in the Gradebook, and that would be
> very helpful. I agree! +1
>
> Best Regards,
>
> =================================
>
> Mathieu Plourde, MBA
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> IT-User Services
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> 192 Chapel Street, room 227-Z
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Goodrum [mailto:goodrum@...]
> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:03 AM
> To: 'Clay Fenlason'; 'Colin Clark'
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> UI UI'
> Subject: RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
>
> An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly by
> faculty and especially when they have lots of students and lots of
> assignments.
>
> We have one online course with 600 students per semester and nearly
> 200 activities built with a testing tool that feeds results
> directly into the gradebook. The current gradebook doesn't serve
> this course very well at this point.
>
> The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google
> Docs, is an interesting model.
>
> +1 for an improved gradebook UI!
>
> - David
>
> David Goodrum
> Director, Academic & Faculty Services
> University Information Technology Services
> Indiana University
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> Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?
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> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark
> <colin.clark@...> wrote:
>> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?
>
> I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
> extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook UI.
> I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
> of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
> something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
> problems Nico noted.
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RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-16T07:21:44Z

Yes, there is a lot to be done in the Gradebook, and that would be very helpful. I agree! +1

Best Regards,

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To: 'Clay Fenlason'; 'Colin Clark'
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Subject: RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly by faculty and especially when they have lots of students and lots of assignments.

We have one online course with 600 students per semester and nearly 200 activities built with a testing tool that feeds results directly into the gradebook. The current gradebook doesn't serve this course very well at this point.

The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google Docs, is an interesting model.

+1 for an improved gradebook UI!

- David

David Goodrum
Director, Academic & Faculty Services
University Information Technology Services
Indiana University

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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:29 PM
To: Colin Clark
Cc: Noah Botimer; James Renfro; sakai-dev sakai-dev; Sakai UI UI
Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark <colin.clark@...> wrote:
> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?

I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook UI.
I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
problems Nico noted.

~Clay

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RE: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-16T07:03:01Z

An improved gradebook UI would be warmly received, particularly by faculty and especially when they have lots of students and lots of assignments.

We have one online course with 600 students per semester and nearly 200 activities built with a testing tool that feeds results directly into the gradebook. The current gradebook doesn't serve this course very well at this point.

The look and feel closer to an online spreadsheet, like in Google Docs, is an interesting model.

+1 for an improved gradebook UI!

- David

David Goodrum
Director, Academic & Faculty Services
University Information Technology Services
Indiana University

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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 6:29 PM
To: Colin Clark
Cc: Noah Botimer; James Renfro; sakai-dev sakai-dev; Sakai UI UI
Subject: Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark <colin.clark@...> wrote:
> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?

I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook UI.
I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
problems Nico noted.

~Clay

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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-15T16:28:54Z

Yes, I'm hoping to build a new gradebook ui with it.

Clay Fenlason wrote:

> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark <colin.clark@...> wrote:
>
>> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?
>>
>
> I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
> extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook UI.
> I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
> of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
> something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
> problems Nico noted.
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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-15T15:28:54Z

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Colin Clark <colin.clark@...> wrote:
> James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?

I'm going to guess (based on James' physical location and
extrapolating from JA-SIG conversations) that it's a new gradebook UI.
I think I looked at this same ext.js one as well, under the impetus
of feeling that what my faculty really wanted out of a gradebook was
something like Google spreadsheet, but was put off by the kinds of
problems Nico noted.

~Clay

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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-15T15:09:24Z

On May 15, 2008, at 10:14 AM, Noah Botimer wrote:
>
> In my naive mind, solving a data access issue with a partially
> accessible solution is a bit better than saying "there's nothing
> perfect, so you get nothing." (N.B., I'm focusing on the grid --
> not the whiz-bang faux window manager stuff, which I find ill-
> advised...)
>

Those aren't the only two choices in this case though.

I'd like to see the Sakai community rally around something, and jQuery
seems to be the leading candidate, especially since Fluid is dumping
energy there. If there is a workable jQuery solution I'd like to see
if we can't agree to consolidate our energies there, especially for
something with as much applicability as a grid component.

I blogged about this recently:

http://sakaiblog.korcuska.net/2008/04/22/javascript-toolkits-from-fluid/

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Re: JS/JQuery Grid Control?

2008-05-15T14:42:07Z

Hi all,

Fluid hasn't built a grid component so far, and it's not on our radar
at the moment. We are starting work on an Inline Edit component that
may be helpful for creating editable cells in a grid.

From an accessibility perspective, grids are can be fairly complex;
many of the techniques and standards for making them accessible are
still being worked out. Joseph Scheuhammer, one of our developers
here, has started similar work for the Dojo Grid widget, but it's
still very preliminary.

If you do settle on a grid widget and want a hand starting to tackle
accessibility for it, let me know.

Personally, I've found a lot of the JSON-driven grids to be a bit slow
and cumbersome. Eli mentioned to me that he's been impressed with the
Ext grid, but found it's a bit "over the top" in terms of features,
which makes it complex to work with.

James, what are you actually hoping to build with your grid?

On 15-May-08, at 12:40 PM, Noah Botimer wrote:
> I'm very high on jQuery, but haven't tried jqGrid. It looks pretty
> good at a glance. The only thing that scares me is that it's not in
> jQuery UI (for now, anyway). I use plenty of jQuery plugins, but I
> worry a little about how decentralized much of the effort is.

I think the decentralization of the jQuery plugin community is
actually a great strength. There's a lot of diversity out there. Of
course quality varies from plugin to plugin, but there's a lot of
sharing and building on each other's work that is a sign of a healthy
development community. The best plugins seem to eventually be promoted
to jQuery UI over time.

My two cents,

Colin

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