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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Color Laserjet 5500dn for $200.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Robert Darlington]

I just bought a 5550dtn today for 5k (including freight and warranty).
Blah!

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster@...>wrote:

> Color Laserjet 5500dn for $200.
>
> Peace...  Sridhar
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[Jonathan Katz-2]

But was it $5k of your own cash? Plus, I'm wagering yours has less use
and a warranty ;)

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Robert Darlington
<rdarlington@...> wrote:
> I just bought a 5550dtn today for 5k (including freight and warranty).
> Blah!
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster@...>wrote:
>
>> Color Laserjet 5500dn for $200.
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[Robert Darlington]

Nah, work.  Zero use and 4 year warranty (3 year extended).

-Bob

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Jonathan J. M. Katz <jon@...>wrote:

> But was it $5k of your own cash? Plus, I'm wagering yours has less use
> and a warranty ;)
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Robert Darlington
> <rdarlington@...> wrote:
> > I just bought a 5550dtn today for 5k (including freight and warranty).
> > Blah!
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster@...
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Color Laserjet 5500dn for $200.
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Robert Darlington wrote:
> Nah, work.  Zero use and 4 year warranty (3 year extended).

Mine is personal, and most decidedly used.  However, it's about the
nicest high speed printer I've ever owned.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Phil Stracchino-3]

Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
> Color Laserjet 5500dn for $200.
>
> Peace...  Sridhar

Nice.

Unfortunately, I've been having problems with my 4500DN.  It's working
fine for greyscale, but color printing is almost always failing to print
one or more color components.  And it keeps throwing fuser errors.

I so wish that outfit in Ontario had been honest about the 8500DN that
we won fair and square for $199.  I take little comfort in the fact that
eBay subsequently banned them for fraud.


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[Charles Monett]

Sridhar Ayengar wrote:

> Robert Darlington wrote:
>> Nah, work.  Zero use and 4 year warranty (3 year extended).
>
> Mine is personal, and most decidedly used.  However, it's about the
> nicest high speed printer I've ever owned.
>
> Peace...  Sridhar
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Just a matter of opinion, isn't ~20ish ppm a bit low for printing speed?

My experience has been that's the territory of the form printers and
some B&W(HP 8500dn?) lasers.
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[Phil Stracchino-3]

Charles Monett wrote:

> Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
>> Robert Darlington wrote:
>>> Nah, work.  Zero use and 4 year warranty (3 year extended).
>> Mine is personal, and most decidedly used.  However, it's about the
>> nicest high speed printer I've ever owned.
>>
>> Peace...  Sridhar
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>>
> Just a matter of opinion, isn't ~20ish ppm a bit low for printing speed?
>
> My experience has been that's the territory of the form printers and
> some B&W(HP 8500dn?) lasers.

8500DN is an 11x17 color laser, and it's good for 24ppm in B/W.  It's a
pretty serious departmental printer.  What kind of size printer are you
used to that 20ppm is "a bit low"?


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[Skeezics Boondoggle-2]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Phil Stracchino wrote:

> Charles Monett wrote:
>> Just a matter of opinion, isn't ~20ish ppm a bit low for printing speed?
>>
>> My experience has been that's the territory of the form printers and
>> some B&W(HP 8500dn?) lasers.
>
> 8500DN is an 11x17 color laser, and it's good for 24ppm in B/W.  It's a
> pretty serious departmental printer.  What kind of size printer are you
> used to that 20ppm is "a bit low"?

Well, almost 30 years ago the Xerox 9700 could do 120ppm, and
lower-end models could do 40-60ppm.  The 9700 was a beast.  It had a
duty cycle of something like a million pages a month.  Hell, they
probably just fed whole trees in one end of the thing. :-)

I fondly remember that at CMU you could send a decent sized program
listing (say, 40-50 pages) from your PERQ or Alto to the Dover (a
lower-end model, as I recall, driven by an Alto named "ruby"), and in
the minute or so it took to walk from the Spice Rack or the main CS
dept terminal room to the printer to fetch your output, it was most
likely stapled and dropped into the output trays alphabetically by the
user's last name on the cover page.  I think the only output I have
from those days is a HOSTS.TXT from ~1981.  All the hosts on the
ARPAnet in three pages.  Wow.

Cheers,
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[Phil Stracchino-3]

Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, Phil Stracchino wrote:
>> Charles Monett wrote:
>>> Just a matter of opinion, isn't ~20ish ppm a bit low for printing speed?
>>>
>>> My experience has been that's the territory of the form printers and
>>> some B&W(HP 8500dn?) lasers.
>> 8500DN is an 11x17 color laser, and it's good for 24ppm in B/W.  It's a
>> pretty serious departmental printer.  What kind of size printer are you
>> used to that 20ppm is "a bit low"?
>
> Well, almost 30 years ago the Xerox 9700 could do 120ppm, and
> lower-end models could do 40-60ppm.  The 9700 was a beast.  It had a
> duty cycle of something like a million pages a month.  Hell, they
> probably just fed whole trees in one end of the thing. :-)

Yeah, I wondered if Charles was thinking about something like that.  We
had a big Xerox printer/copier at Cardima, eventually.


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[Lionel Peterson-2]

On Oct 29, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster@...>  
wrote:

> Color Laserjet 5500dn for $200.

Very good score, ESP. if toner included and in good shape - I'd love a  
duplexing networked color laser, but my current HP 2600n is still  
running fine...

At $WORK we are phasing out HP laserjets and HP color inkjets due to  
the high on-going costs associated with them. We can deploy faster  
Dell printers usually for less than the cost of a maint. kit for an HP  
printer.

Older HPs just chug along and work great, but the economics have  
changed since they were bought (and, honestly, th HP printers were  
typically over-spec'd (they bought too much printer for the  
application).

Having said all that, I still run HP 4000-series printers at home,  
though my 5 Si MX is throwing an error code I haven't followed up  
on... I like these older printers, but I typically never buy toner for  
them (I don't print more than a few hundred pages a month at home,  
same for wife & son), the toner they come with suffices until the  
printer fails and I pick up/collect a replacement printer for a few  
bucks...

Lionel
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[Dave Fischer]

lionel4287@... writes:

>Having said all that, I still run HP 4000-series printers at home,  

I ran into a 4000 in the "please take this away" price range,
and it's run very well for me since. Great printers.

I do really need to hunt down some more ram for it though...

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[Charles Monett]

Phil Stracchino wrote:

> Charles Monett wrote:
>  
>> Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
>>    
>>> Robert Darlington wrote:
>>>      
>>>> Nah, work.  Zero use and 4 year warranty (3 year extended).
>>>>        
>>> Mine is personal, and most decidedly used.  However, it's about the
>>> nicest high speed printer I've ever owned.
>>>
>>> Peace...  Sridhar
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>>>
>>>      
>> Just a matter of opinion, isn't ~20ish ppm a bit low for printing speed?
>>
>> My experience has been that's the territory of the form printers and
>> some B&W(HP 8500dn?) lasers.
>>    
>
> 8500DN is an 11x17 color laser, and it's good for 24ppm in B/W.  It's a
> pretty serious departmental printer.  What kind of size printer are you
> used to that 20ppm is "a bit low"?
>
>
>  

92ppm Xerox 4090/4890 form printers, which were quite large and HP's
not-so-large 50ppm B&W LaserJets of the 9000 series IIRC.

1000 pages on these things were done in minutes, not hours.
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
> Well, almost 30 years ago the Xerox 9700 could do 120ppm, and
> lower-end models could do 40-60ppm.  The 9700 was a beast.  It had a
> duty cycle of something like a million pages a month.  Hell, they

Production printers are a different sort of animal altogether.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Richard-45]

In article <4AEEF087.3080400@...>,
    Sridhar Ayengar <ploopster@...>  writes:

> Skeezics Boondoggle wrote:
> > Well, almost 30 years ago the Xerox 9700 could do 120ppm, and
> > lower-end models could do 40-60ppm.  The 9700 was a beast.  It had a
> > duty cycle of something like a million pages a month.  Hell, they
>
> Production printers are a different sort of animal altogether.

Indeed.

When I was a teenager, my first major solo programming project was to
write a program that would queue print jobs to a Xerox laser printer.
The printer would accept input on 9-track magtape and print from the
jobs based on the input.  The program I wrote took your input files
and queued them locally to a spooling area.  Then once a week it was
run with a separate switch to generate the formatted magtape for
printing.  There were separate queues for the different paper types
and the magtape formatting was kinda funky IIRC.  I really wish I had
kept a source listing of that program as it was the first program of
any significance that I wrote.  They used it at Project DELTA at the
University of Delaware for a number of years after I wrote it.
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[John Lengeling]

> When I was a teenager, my first major solo programming project was to
> write a program that would queue print jobs to a Xerox laser printer.
> The printer would accept input on 9-track magtape and print from the
> jobs based on the input.  The program I wrote took your input files
> and queued them locally to a spooling area.  Then once a week it was
> run with a separate switch to generate the formatted magtape for
> printing.  There were separate queues for the different paper types
> and the magtape formatting was kinda funky IIRC.  I really wish I had
> kept a source listing of that program as it was the first program of
> any significance that I wrote.  They used it at Project DELTA at the
> University of Delaware for a number of years after I wrote it.

Had a somewhat similar experience with 9700s at the university where I
worked.  We would receive 10-15,000 names of students taking the ACT/SAT
tests who indicated interest in attending the university.

The goal was to be the first letter the student received after taking
their ACT/SAT.  So there was a big push to turn these around an get them
in the mail as fast a possible.  We merged the names with a letter,
added customized paragraphs based on major and wrote them to 9-track
tape which was read in by a Xerox 9700.

Started using awk, nroff, and dd to generate the 9-track tapes, but this
took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3.   Replaced awk and dd
with a custom C program for more speed.  Also replaced nroff with roff.
We were able to then write all of the letters to tape in about 24 hours
versus days previously.

BTW: I hate 9-track tapes and SMD hard drives...back with techs swapped
out HD boards and hard disk assemblies...Where is CDC now days?
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

John Lengeling wrote:
> took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3.   Replaced awk and dd
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
???

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Patrick Finnegan]

On Monday 02 November 2009, John Lengeling wrote:
> Started using awk, nroff, and dd to generate the 9-track tapes, but
>  this took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3.   Replaced

2BSD ran on PDP-11s.  4BSD ran on VAXes. Something doesn't add up. :)

> BTW: I hate 9-track tapes and SMD hard drives...back with techs
>  swapped out HD boards and hard disk assemblies...Where is CDC now

What's wrong with replacing components?

>  days?

Owned by British Telecom (BT).

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[John Lengeling]

Sorry, alzhimer... :-)

We originally has a PDP 11/44 with BSD 2.9 which got replaced with a VAX
11/750 with BSD 4.3.

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John Lengeling wrote:
> took too long to run on a PDP-11/44 with BSD 4.3.   Replaced awk and
dd
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
???

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>> BTW: I hate 9-track tapes and SMD hard drives...back with techs
>>  swapped out HD boards and hard disk assemblies...Where is CDC now
>
> What's wrong with replacing components?
>
>>  days?
>
> Owned by British Telecom (BT).

Well, part of it is Traveler's Insurance.  There are other independent
bits too.

Peace...  Sridhar
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