Sdif files

[dandriko]

Halo,

I would like to ask something that is very important for me and many of our composition students.
Is there any possibility of an Sdif analysis to be used inside the PWGL environment?
I heard that there is something been constructed but does anyone know when and if it will be public?
We generally use Spear as well Audio Sculpt to make the analysis of the spectrograms.

Do you have any suggestions?

Thank you,

Dimitrs

[Mika Kuuskankare]

Dimitrs,

Well, aren't you busy today? :)

I have a supervp/SDIF library in a kind of a beta phase... If you have  
experience with SDIF *AND* unix let me know if you want to help  
testing it. OS X (UNIX) only, BTW.

-Mika


On 25 May 2009, at 17:45, dandriko wrote:

>
> Halo,
>
> I would like to ask something that is very important for me and many  
> of our
> composition students.
> Is there any possibility of an Sdif analysis to be used inside the  
> PWGL
> environment?
> I heard that there is something been constructed but does anyone  
> know when
> and if it will be public?
> We generally use Spear as well Audio Sculpt to make the analysis of  
> the
> spectrograms.
>
> Do you have any suggestions?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dimitrs
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sdif-files-tp23709039p23709039.html
> Sent from the PWGL mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>

Dr. Mika Kuuskankare
Researcher
Centre for Music & Technology
Sibelius Academy

Henkilökohtainen postiosoite/Personal post address
PL 342 - PO Box 342
FIN-00121 Helsinki, FINLAND
Mobile: [phone] (Finland)
Skype: mkuuskan
personal home page: www.siba.fi/~mkuuskan
project home page: www.siba.fi/PWGL

[James Correa]

Dear Dimitris,

Hidden inside the audiosculpt folder - the path is audiosculpt/SDIF Utilities/Droplets/  - exist an application to convert sdif to text files. This is what I use to get the sdif data into PWGL.

best,

James

 

On May 25, 2009, at 11:45 AM, dandriko wrote:

Halo,

I would like to ask something that is very important for me and many of our
composition students.
Is there any possibility of an Sdif analysis to be used inside the PWGL
environment?
I heard that there is something been constructed but does anyone know when
and if it will be public?
We generally use Spear as well Audio Sculpt to make the analysis of the
spectrograms.

Do you have any suggestions?

Thank you,

Dimitrs

--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sdif-files-tp23709039p23709039.html
Sent from the PWGL mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[Hans Tutschku-2]

Dear all,

I have been experimenting with SDIF and PWGL for the past 3 month. It  
"kind of" works, but it crashes PWGL every 5-10 minutes.
It's pretty hard to work with. I don't know what the reason for the  
crashes are as they are not consistent.
I hope to see Mika in July in Montbéliard and perhaps we can get a  
step further.
I started to port my OpenMusic library which was communicating with  
AudioSculpt to PWGL. Many functions do already work.

Best, Hans

On 25.05.2009, at 13:01, Mika Kuuskankare wrote:

> Dimitrs,
>
> Well, aren't you busy today? :)
>
> I have a supervp/SDIF library in a kind of a beta phase... If you  
> have experience with SDIF *AND* unix let me know if you want to help  
> testing it. OS X (UNIX) only, BTW.
>
> -Mika
>
>
> On 25 May 2009, at 17:45, dandriko wrote:
>
>>
>> Halo,
>>
>> I would like to ask something that is very important for me and  
>> many of our
>> composition students.
>> Is there any possibility of an Sdif analysis to be used inside the  
>> PWGL
>> environment?
>> I heard that there is something been constructed but does anyone  
>> know when
>> and if it will be public?
>> We generally use Spear as well Audio Sculpt to make the analysis of  
>> the
>> spectrograms.
>>
>> Do you have any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Dimitrs
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sdif-files-tp23709039p23709039.html
>> Sent from the PWGL mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
> Dr. Mika Kuuskankare
> Researcher
> Centre for Music & Technology
> Sibelius Academy
>
> Henkilökohtainen postiosoite/Personal post address
> PL 342 - PO Box 342
> FIN-00121 Helsinki, FINLAND
> Mobile: [phone] (Finland)
> Skype: mkuuskan
> personal home page: www.siba.fi/~mkuuskan
> project home page: www.siba.fi/PWGL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Mats O Hansson]

Hi,

I'm  about to start learning pwgl and have a question.

Among the tutorial files there are files with .dbd extension.
What program do I need to read them? I'm on a PC.

Best,
Mats O Hansson
www.MySpace.com/MatsOHansson

[Mika Kuuskankare]

Hi Mats,

Aren't you using our tutorial browser that you can find in the main  
menu under Help | PWGL Help?

-Mika

On 1 Jun 2009, at 15:59, Mats O Hansson wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm  about to start learning pwgl and have a question.
>
> Among the tutorial files there are files with .dbd extension.
> What program do I need to read them? I'm on a PC.
>
> Best,
> Mats O Hansson
> www.MySpace.com/MatsOHansson
>
>
>

Dr. Mika Kuuskankare
Researcher
Centre for Music & Technology
Sibelius Academy

Henkilökohtainen postiosoite/Personal post address
PL 342 - PO Box 342
FIN-00121 Helsinki, FINLAND
Mobile: [phone] (Finland)
Skype: mkuuskan
personal home page: www.siba.fi/~mkuuskan
project home page: www.siba.fi/PWGL

[Mats O Hansson]

Well,.....hmmm. Obviously not.  :-)
Should have checked that first.
Thanks a lot!

/Mats

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mika Kuuskankare" <mkuuskan@...>
To: <pwgl-users@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: pwgl-users: .dbd extension

> Hi Mats,
>
> Aren't you using our tutorial browser that you can find in the main  menu
> under Help | PWGL Help?
>
> -Mika
>
> On 1 Jun 2009, at 15:59, Mats O Hansson wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm  about to start learning pwgl and have a question.
>>
>> Among the tutorial files there are files with .dbd extension.
>> What program do I need to read them? I'm on a PC.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mats O Hansson
>> www.MySpace.com/MatsOHansson
>>
>>
>>
>
> Dr. Mika Kuuskankare
> Researcher
> Centre for Music & Technology
> Sibelius Academy
>
> Henkilökohtainen postiosoite/Personal post address
> PL 342 - PO Box 342
> FIN-00121 Helsinki, FINLAND
> Mobile: [phone] (Finland)
> Skype: mkuuskan
> personal home page: www.siba.fi/~mkuuskan
> project home page: www.siba.fi/PWGL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[fred-com]

yes I use to convert sdif to text and then read sdif text in pwgl  : so
that 'a la main' it can work with no crash !
(I still don't understand why using ircam or so use SDIF as the only
format for small data lists like f0,  partials, marks, etc, but only to
make everything more heavy ?
If usefull, I'd like to join you to work on it at Montbeliard in july :)

fred

Hans Tutschku wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I have been experimenting with SDIF and PWGL for the past 3 month. It
> "kind of" works, but it crashes PWGL every 5-10 minutes.
> It's pretty hard to work with. I don't know what the reason for the
> crashes are as they are not consistent.
> I hope to see Mika in July in Montbéliard and perhaps we can get a step
> further.
> I started to port my OpenMusic library which was communicating with
> AudioSculpt to PWGL. Many functions do already work.
>
> Best, Hans
>
> On 25.05.2009, at 13:01, Mika Kuuskankare wrote:
>
>> Dimitrs,
>>
>> Well, aren't you busy today? :)
>>
>> I have a supervp/SDIF library in a kind of a beta phase... If you have
>> experience with SDIF *AND* unix let me know if you want to help
>> testing it. OS X (UNIX) only, BTW.
>>
>> -Mika
>>
>>
>> On 25 May 2009, at 17:45, dandriko wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Halo,
>>>
>>> I would like to ask something that is very important for me and many
>>> of our
>>> composition students.
>>> Is there any possibility of an Sdif analysis to be used inside the PWGL
>>> environment?
>>> I heard that there is something been constructed but does anyone know
>>> when
>>> and if it will be public?
>>> We generally use Spear as well Audio Sculpt to make the analysis of the
>>> spectrograms.
>>>
>>> Do you have any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Dimitrs
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/Sdif-files-tp23709039p23709039.html
>>> Sent from the PWGL mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>> Dr. Mika Kuuskankare
>> Researcher
>> Centre for Music & Technology
>> Sibelius Academy
>>
>> Henkilökohtainen postiosoite/Personal post address
>> PL 342 - PO Box 342
>> FIN-00121 Helsinki, FINLAND
>> Mobile: [phone] (Finland)
>> Skype: mkuuskan
>> personal home page: www.siba.fi/~mkuuskan
>> project home page: www.siba.fi/PWGL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[apalomba]

I would like to do some experiments with integral serialism,
I was hoping someone could give me some pointer...

My first step would be to create a matrix of rows that
represent my pitch, rhythm, and dynamics. These would
essentially hold various permutations (retrograde, inverse,
inverse retrograde) of a prime form.

But instead of reading this data serially, I want to hook
up a 2-d editor that will determine where to read from the matrix.
I could then have some interesting 2-d graphics drive the
motion.
 
I am still new to PWGL, can someone suggest some ideas
on what objects I would need to implement this idea?



Thanks,
Anthony

[apalomba]

Is there anyone out there who can give me some guidance...



Anthony


----- Original Message -----
From: <apalomba@...>
To: <pwgl-users@...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:01 AM
Subject: pwgl-users: integral serialism experiments...

>I would like to do some experiments with integral serialism,
> I was hoping someone could give me some pointer...
>
> My first step would be to create a matrix of rows that
> represent my pitch, rhythm, and dynamics. These would
> essentially hold various permutations (retrograde, inverse,
> inverse retrograde) of a prime form.
>
> But instead of reading this data serially, I want to hook
> up a 2-d editor that will determine where to read from the matrix.
> I could then have some interesting 2-d graphics drive the
> motion.
>
> I am still new to PWGL, can someone suggest some ideas
> on what objects I would need to implement this idea?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony

[Jacopo Baboni-Schilingi]

Dear Anthony, to solve this kind of problem you have to use the Multi-PMC object.

Here are two possible patches to help you in starting.

I send you a Archive.zip with several libraries. You have to un-zip the Archive and to put all the Libraries in user-library and load them in order to see the patches.

All my best

--

Jacopo Baboni Schilingi

162, avenue Parmentier

75010 - Paris

www.baboni-schilingi.com

On Jun 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Anthony Palomba wrote:

Hello Jacopo,

 

I have not received any patches. If you do have some

PWGL patches that would help implement integral

serialism, they would be most appreciated. Please

feel free to send them.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

 

Regards,

Anthony

 

[Bob Wild]

Hi, list,

I am a newbie to PWGL, never user OM, neither PW. But I'm not totally
new to programming.

Now, having the ambition to understand PWGL, I would like to know what
the rules for various function abbreviations are? Calling a g+, for
example, makes me wonder, why it has a g in the name. Shouldn't it be
called "pw+" (given the fact that it is in the namespace of pw)?

Also, I do not find any explanation, why the functions are grouped just
like that in the submenues - most make sense, other not. Is there a tute
somewhere?

The tutorials (online as well as the new PDF) are pretty heavy, pretty
much like a bomb to someone who is a starter. Are there anywhere
hands-on tutorials? Like: i want to do a chord progression over 7 steps,
so I use that function, found in that respective submenue, then the next
one, because etc...

Thanks for any infos!
Robert

[Julien Vincenot]

Hi Robert

Here is a little tutorial by Patrice Martoia,
that is not anymore online. It is pretty useful
to have a global view of PWGL and a first example
of musical problem.

I usually think about "g"-functions as "general"-functions,
so to speak, that can treat lists of lists without using
mapcar or pwgl-map. But I am not sure of this etymology... =)

To understand better the groups of functions in the submenus,
there is only one way : writing patches, over and over...
These sets of functions may not seem logical but if you know
a little about CommonLISP it should not be so hard
to understand the reasons behind.

Sometimes it can be hard to know how to begin but it is often
a question of how to formalize your musical problems.
For instance, what kind of "chord progression" do you want
to generate ? A simple series of parallel voicings for a
given melodic profile ? A linear of non-linear interpolation
between two chords ? A constrained harmonic progression ?


Anyway you should look at Jacopo Baboni Schilingi's librairies,
attached in this old post :
http://www.nabble.com/pwgl-users%3A-My-contribution-in-PWGL-to24386900.html
There are a lot of very redundant tutorials that
can be pretty useful for what you want to do.

Best

Julien

> Message du 27/07/09 11:05
> De : "Robert Wildling"
> A : pwgl-users@...
> Copie à :
> Objet : pwgl-users: PWGL - what do the abbreviations mean?
>
>
> Hi, list,
>
> I am a newbie to PWGL, never user OM, neither PW. But I'm not totally
> new to programming.
>
> Now, having the ambition to understand PWGL, I would like to know what
> the rules for various function abbreviations are? Calling a g+, for
> example, makes me wonder, why it has a g in the name. Shouldn't it be
> called "pw+" (given the fact that it is in the namespace of pw)?
>
> Also, I do not find any explanation, why the functions are grouped just
> like that in the submenues - most make sense, other not. Is there a tute
> somewhere?
>
> The tutorials (online as well as the new PDF) are pretty heavy, pretty
> much like a bomb to someone who is a starter. Are there anywhere
> hands-on tutorials? Like: i want to do a chord progression over 7 steps,
> so I use that function, found in that respective submenue, then the next
> one, because etc...
>
> Thanks for any infos!
> Robert
>
>

[Fabio Selvafiorita]

Jacopo Baboni Schilingi really did a great work with his libraries  
and his tutorials...check it absolutely!!!


Il giorno 27/lug/09, alle ore 15:52, Julien VINCENOT ha scritto:

> Hi Robert
>
> Here is a little tutorial by Patrice Martoia,
> that is not anymore online. It is pretty useful
> to have a global view of PWGL and a first example
> of musical problem.
>
> I usually think about "g"-functions as "general"-functions,
> so to speak, that can treat lists of lists without using
> mapcar or pwgl-map. But I am not sure of this etymology... =)
>
> To understand better the groups of functions in the submenus,
> there is only one way : writing patches, over and over...
> These sets of functions may not seem logical but if you know
> a little about CommonLISP it should not be so hard
> to understand the reasons behind.
>
> Sometimes it can be hard to know how to begin but it is often
> a question of how to formalize your musical problems.
> For instance, what kind of "chord progression" do you want
> to generate ? A simple series of parallel voicings for a
> given melodic profile ? A linear of non-linear interpolation
> between two chords ? A constrained harmonic progression ?
>
>
> Anyway you should look at Jacopo Baboni Schilingi's librairies,
> attached in this old post :
> http://www.nabble.com/pwgl-users%3A-My-contribution-in-PWGL- 
> to24386900.html
> There are a lot of very redundant tutorials that
> can be pretty useful for what you want to do.
>
> Best
>
> Julien
>
>
>> Message du 27/07/09 11:05
>> De : "Robert Wildling"
>> A : pwgl-users@...
>> Copie à :
>> Objet : pwgl-users: PWGL - what do the abbreviations mean?
>>
>>
>> Hi, list,
>>
>> I am a newbie to PWGL, never user OM, neither PW. But I'm not totally
>> new to programming.
>>
>> Now, having the ambition to understand PWGL, I would like to know  
>> what
>> the rules for various function abbreviations are? Calling a g+, for
>> example, makes me wonder, why it has a g in the name. Shouldn't it be
>> called "pw+" (given the fact that it is in the namespace of pw)?
>>
>> Also, I do not find any explanation, why the functions are grouped  
>> just
>> like that in the submenues - most make sense, other not. Is there  
>> a tute
>> somewhere?
>>
>> The tutorials (online as well as the new PDF) are pretty heavy,  
>> pretty
>> much like a bomb to someone who is a starter. Are there anywhere
>> hands-on tutorials? Like: i want to do a chord progression over 7  
>> steps,
>> so I use that function, found in that respective submenue, then  
>> the next
>> one, because etc...
>>
>> Thanks for any infos!
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> <_Users_julienvincenot_Desktop_PWGL_GettingStarted.pdf>