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Seam examples via JBoss Tools Project Examples + Cheatsheets

by Max Rydahl Andersen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Hi,

I thought you might be interested in this.

We've started adding the Seam examples to our Project Examples feature
in JBoss Tools/Developer Studio.
Primarily because they are very well documented and that users are
asking "how to run the examples in eclipse".
So Snjezana have been doing a couple proof of concepts, the last one
being the "Message" example.

http://www.screencast.com/users/Snjeza/folders/Jing/media/a8430ad8-a642-4e5b-9559-5923e1424242

Please take a look at the screencast above and let me know what you
think. We haven't uploaded this to project examples yet,
but will do shortly - especially if you give us feedback ;)

p.s. the screencast shows Maven updating dependencies but that is just
m2eclipse running - it is not a requirement
to use this.

/max

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Re: Seam examples via JBoss Tools Project Examples + Cheatsheets

by Max Rydahl Andersen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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I really would like to hear if you guys are interested in this ?

Snjezana added more movies to
https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4180 showing this feature of and
reminded me that if you want to try it out then add the following line
to your eclipse.ini

-Dorg.jboss.tools.project.examples.xml=https://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/jbosstools/workspace/examples/project-examples-3.0.xml

/max

Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I thought you might be interested in this.
>
> We've started adding the Seam examples to our Project Examples feature
> in JBoss Tools/Developer Studio.
> Primarily because they are very well documented and that users are
> asking "how to run the examples in eclipse".
> So Snjezana have been doing a couple proof of concepts, the last one
> being the "Message" example.
>
> http://www.screencast.com/users/Snjeza/folders/Jing/media/a8430ad8-a642-4e5b-9559-5923e1424242 
>
>
> Please take a look at the screencast above and let me know what you
> think. We haven't uploaded this to project examples yet,
> but will do shortly - especially if you give us feedback ;)
>
> p.s. the screencast shows Maven updating dependencies but that is just
> m2eclipse running - it is not a requirement
> to use this.
>
> /max
>
> _______________________________________________
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> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev 
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Re: Seam examples via JBoss Tools Project Examples + Cheatsheets

by Pete Muir-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Looks great :-)

We should update the Seam docs too to discuss this when you have it in  
place - can you create a JIRA issue when it's working ootb?

On 11 May 2009, at 08:25, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

> I really would like to hear if you guys are interested in this ?
>
> Snjezana added more movies to https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4180 
>  showing this feature of and
> reminded me that if you want to try it out then add the following  
> line to your eclipse.ini
>
> -Dorg.jboss.tools.project.examples.xml=https://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/jbosstools/workspace/examples/project-examples-3.0.xml
>
> /max
>
> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I thought you might be interested in this.
>>
>> We've started adding the Seam examples to our Project Examples  
>> feature in JBoss Tools/Developer Studio.
>> Primarily because they are very well documented and that users are  
>> asking "how to run the examples in eclipse".
>> So Snjezana have been doing a couple proof of concepts, the last  
>> one being the "Message" example.
>>
>> http://www.screencast.com/users/Snjeza/folders/Jing/media/a8430ad8-a642-4e5b-9559-5923e1424242
>>
>> Please take a look at the screencast above and let me know what you  
>> think. We haven't uploaded this to project examples yet,
>> but will do shortly - especially if you give us feedback ;)
>>
>> p.s. the screencast shows Maven updating dependencies but that is  
>> just m2eclipse running - it is not a requirement
>> to use this.
>>
>> /max
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> seam-dev mailing list
>> seam-dev@...
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev
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Re: Seam examples via JBoss Tools Project Examples + Cheatsheets

by Max Rydahl Andersen-2 :: Rate this Message:

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Pete Muir wrote:
> Looks great :-)
>
> We should update the Seam docs too to discuss this when you have it in
> place - can you create a JIRA issue when it's working ootb?

will do - what I were hoping in the long run is if we could find a way
for getting the examples provided/maintained by the specific framework
teams since
the examples are nothing much but glorified html....but I assume that
wouldn't be something you guys are interested in unless you could
generate it directly out of the docbook src ? or ? :)

/max

>
> On 11 May 2009, at 08:25, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>
>> I really would like to hear if you guys are interested in this ?
>>
>> Snjezana added more movies to
>> https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4180 showing this feature of
>> and
>> reminded me that if you want to try it out then add the following
>> line to your eclipse.ini
>>
>> -Dorg.jboss.tools.project.examples.xml=https://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/jbosstools/workspace/examples/project-examples-3.0.xml 
>>
>>
>> /max
>>
>> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I thought you might be interested in this.
>>>
>>> We've started adding the Seam examples to our Project Examples
>>> feature in JBoss Tools/Developer Studio.
>>> Primarily because they are very well documented and that users are
>>> asking "how to run the examples in eclipse".
>>> So Snjezana have been doing a couple proof of concepts, the last one
>>> being the "Message" example.
>>>
>>> http://www.screencast.com/users/Snjeza/folders/Jing/media/a8430ad8-a642-4e5b-9559-5923e1424242 
>>>
>>>
>>> Please take a look at the screencast above and let me know what you
>>> think. We haven't uploaded this to project examples yet,
>>> but will do shortly - especially if you give us feedback ;)
>>>
>>> p.s. the screencast shows Maven updating dependencies but that is
>>> just m2eclipse running - it is not a requirement
>>> to use this.
>>>
>>> /max
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> seam-dev mailing list
>>> seam-dev@...
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev 
>> _______________________________________________
>> seam-dev mailing list
>> seam-dev@...
>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev 
>
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> http://www.seamframework.org
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Re: Seam examples via JBoss Tools Project Examples + Cheatsheets

by Pete Muir-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On 21 May 2009, at 11:26, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

>
>
> Pete Muir wrote:
>> Looks great :-)
>>
>> We should update the Seam docs too to discuss this when you have it  
>> in place - can you create a JIRA issue when it's working ootb?
>
> will do - what I were hoping in the long run is if we could find a  
> way for getting the examples provided/maintained by the specific  
> framework teams since
> the examples are nothing much but glorified html....but I assume  
> that wouldn't be something you guys are interested in unless you could
> generate it directly out of the docbook src ? or ? :)

Yes, I was wondering how you plan to maintain the src text :-)

Generating out of docbook (or some xml which can be made into docbook/
eclipse/html for standard examples) would be the way forward :-)

>
>
> /max
>>
>> On 11 May 2009, at 08:25, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>
>>> I really would like to hear if you guys are interested in this ?
>>>
>>> Snjezana added more movies to https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBIDE-4180 
>>>  showing this feature of and
>>> reminded me that if you want to try it out then add the following  
>>> line to your eclipse.ini
>>>
>>> -Dorg.jboss.tools.project.examples.xml=https://anonsvn.jboss.org/repos/jbosstools/workspace/examples/project-examples-3.0.xml
>>>
>>> /max
>>>
>>> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I thought you might be interested in this.
>>>>
>>>> We've started adding the Seam examples to our Project Examples  
>>>> feature in JBoss Tools/Developer Studio.
>>>> Primarily because they are very well documented and that users  
>>>> are asking "how to run the examples in eclipse".
>>>> So Snjezana have been doing a couple proof of concepts, the last  
>>>> one being the "Message" example.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.screencast.com/users/Snjeza/folders/Jing/media/a8430ad8-a642-4e5b-9559-5923e1424242
>>>>
>>>> Please take a look at the screencast above and let me know what  
>>>> you think. We haven't uploaded this to project examples yet,
>>>> but will do shortly - especially if you give us feedback ;)
>>>>
>>>> p.s. the screencast shows Maven updating dependencies but that is  
>>>> just m2eclipse running - it is not a requirement
>>>> to use this.
>>>>
>>>> /max
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> seam-dev mailing list
>>>> seam-dev@...
>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> seam-dev@...
>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.seamframework.org
>> http://in.relation.to/Bloggers/Pete

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Re: Seam examples via JBoss Tools Project Examples + Cheatsheets

by Dan Allen (mojavelinux) :: Rate this Message:

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On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Max Rydahl Andersen <max.andersen@...> wrote:
Hi,

I thought you might be interested in this.

We've started adding the Seam examples to our Project Examples feature in JBoss Tools/Developer Studio.
Primarily because they are very well documented and that users are asking "how to run the examples in eclipse".
So Snjezana have been doing a couple proof of concepts, the last one being the "Message" example.

http://www.screencast.com/users/Snjeza/folders/Jing/media/a8430ad8-a642-4e5b-9559-5923e1424242

Please take a look at the screencast above and let me know what you think. We haven't uploaded this to project examples yet,
but will do shortly - especially if you give us feedback ;)

I think this is exactly what users have been wanting for a long time (I can speak from personal experience as I first go into Seam). It's quite typical to open up an example, not really know what you are looking at, and decide it isn't of any value. But when someone walks you through each property and method, you hit that real "Aha!" moment. So if there is some way we can figure out how to maintain these examples in a reasonable way, I'm confident they will prove their value.

Honestly, it's easier to work on the documentation of an example than it is to explain a concept, so it shouldn't be too painful to keep them up to date. At the same time, we need to keep the number of examples within reason so that we don't overwhelm the users and ourselves. I think we have too many mediocre examples in Seam (some really good ones, but a lot of okay ones) and we should trim and tighten.




p.s. the screencast shows Maven updating dependencies but that is just m2eclipse running - it is not a requirement
to use this.

I figured that.

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