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Nabble - Semantic Mediawiki
2009-12-15T13:15:24Z
<a href="http://wiki.ontoworld.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki" target="_top" rel="nofollow">Semantic MediaWiki</a> (SMW) is an extension of MediaWiki – the wiki-system powering Wikipedia – with semantic technology, thus turning it into a semantic wiki. While articles in MediaWiki are just plain texts, SMW allows users to add structured data, comparable to the data one would usually store in a database. SMW uses the fact that such data is already contained in many articles: users just need to "mark" the according places so that the system can extract the relevant data without "understanding" the rest of the text. With this information, SMW can help to search, organise, browse, evaluate, and share the wiki's content.
tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26801916
Hack to capture page metadata in SMW properties using DPL
2009-12-15T13:15:24Z
2009-12-15T13:15:24Z
Dan Bolser-3
Hi all,
<br><br>I put together a little hack to demonstrate the potential of capturing
<br>page metadata in semantic properties. This hack combines DPL with SMW,
<br>and adds information about:
<br><br>* the page author (creator),
<br>* most recent editor,
<br>* page size, and
<br>* page 'hit-counter'.
<br><br><br>It does this by including a template on (almost) all pages that
<br>queries the above properties via DPL, and then wraps the result in
<br>semantic property annotations.
<br><br>Here is the template:
<br><a href="http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Template:Add_page_metadata" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Template:Add_page_metadata</a><br><br>Here is a random page that calls the template:
<br><a href="http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Special:Browse/Rolexa" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Special:Browse/Rolexa</a><br><br>Here is an example of the properties in action (#asking for the 'most
<br>popular page' on the wiki):
<br><a href="http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Template:Bioinformatics_application/Popular" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Template:Bioinformatics_application/Popular</a><br><br><br>I could add more of the page metadata that DPL provides (for example,
<br>the 'page created date' to generate an RSS feed of the new pages in
<br>the wiki): <a href="http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=DPL:Manual_-_DPL_parameters:_Controlling_output_format#format" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php?title=DPL:Manual_-_DPL_parameters:_Controlling_output_format#format</a><br><br>however, there are problems with dates because DPL tries to return all
<br>dates in the users own timezone, which would mess things up... if
<br>properties were actually being updated, which apparently they
<br>aren't... (template caching issues I guess).
<br><br><br>This hack resembles the nice looking functionality provided by the
<br>Semantic History extension:
<br><a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SemanticHistory" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SemanticHistory</a><br><br>but is a bit simpler (took a couple of hours to set up from
<br>'scratch'), and also gives page size / hit counter.
<br><br>It's far from perfect, but I just thought I'd throw it out there to
<br>see what people think. I know metadata isn't everyone's cup of tea,
<br>but it can be useful for administrative and site design purposes. If
<br>it looks useful, I'd like to try to put this into SMW 'on the inside'
<br>by coding up the relevant PHP.
<br><br><br>Cheers,
<br>Dan.
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Re: Adding Semantic form fields to Special:Upload
2009-12-15T12:18:23Z
2009-12-15T12:18:23Z
Dan Bolser-3
Hi Joel, thanks for the information.
<br><br>Unfortunately I'm in the position of having to convince the sysadmin
<br>of every new extension that I want installed, so I'm primarily looking
<br>for a 'pure SMW' solution.
<br><br>I'll definitely keep it in mind for future reference though! It looks
<br>pretty much exactly like what I was after and then some!
<br><br>Cheers,
<br>Dan.
<br><br>2009/12/15 Joel Natividad <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26801119&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">joel.natividad@...</a>>:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Dan,
<br>> You may want to check out the SMW+ RichMedia extension.
<br>> <a href="http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/index.php/Help:Rich_Media_Extension" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/index.php/Help:Rich_Media_Extension</a><br>> It adds additional metadata for each filetype, which is also leveraged in
<br>> the SMW+ Enhanced Retrieval (Lucene keyword search+wiki search+semantic
<br>> search+search of text within certain uploaded files [PDF and Word]) -
<br>> <a href="http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/index.php/Help:Enhanced_Retrieval_Extension_1.3?context=Help%3AEnhanced+Retrieval+Extension+1.3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/index.php/Help:Enhanced_Retrieval_Extension_1.3?context=Help%3AEnhanced+Retrieval+Extension+1.3</a><br>> If you look at the documentation, they even have a detailed howto on how to
<br>> add namespaces for additional filetypes.
<br>> Hope this helps,
<br>> Joel
<br>> On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Dan Bolser wrote:
<br>>
<br>> I haven't tried, but you could try adding the form to one of the
<br>> special messages that gets included in that page... I guess that won't
<br>> work outside of the Form namespace...
<br>>
<br>> Better yet, why not just replace special upload with a form that gets
<br>> its target page name from a file upload field and creates a page in
<br>> the Image namespace?
<br>>
<br>> I've been planning to try the above on my site, but I haven't had time
<br>> to get round to it yet.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> 2009/12/15 Chris Croome <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26801119&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">chris@...</a>>:
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<br>> Hi
<br>>
<br>> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to add semantic form elements
<br>>
<br>> to the Special:Upload page?
<br>>
<br>> The site I'm working on has it set up so that once a file has been
<br>>
<br>> uploaded you can edit the page about the file with a 'edit with form'
<br>>
<br>> link, eg:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://wiki.ikmemergent.net/index.php/File:080426-ikm-working-paper-2-communicating-information-and-knowledge-management.pdf" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.ikmemergent.net/index.php/File:080426-ikm-working-paper-2-communicating-information-and-knowledge-management.pdf</a><br>>
<br>> But I'd like to add the category selector to the Special:Upload page,
<br>>
<br>> the uploading help on the Semantic Forms page doesn't help with this:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files</a><br>>
<br>> Thanks
<br>>
<br>> Chris
<br>>
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[SD] Version 0.7: Categories can be excluded from and included in top category list
2009-12-15T11:33:31Z
2009-12-15T11:33:31Z
Yaron Koren
Hi,
<br><br>Version 0.7 of Semantic Drilldown has been released. In this version:
<br><br>- two "magic words" have been added - "__HIDEFROMDRILLDOWN__" and
<br>"__SHOWINDRILLDOWN__". Adding the former to a category page will remove it
<br>from the list of top-level categories in 'Special:BrowseData', while adding
<br>the latter will add it there, even if the category is a subcategory of
<br>something else. This will hopefully put an end to the need for the various
<br>hacks that people have done to try to hide/show categories in that list,
<br>like making a big "Other" category or otherwise rearranging the category
<br>tree.
<br><br>- the initialization of special properties was fixed (again) for
<br>non-English-language wikis; so now, using either the language-specific value
<br>or the English value of a special property (like "Has filter") should always
<br>work (I hope).
<br><br>- this version also contains the fix mentioned on this list two weeks ago,
<br>for the major display problem that some wikis running SMW 1.4.3 were having.
<br><br>You can download the new version here:
<br><a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Drilldown" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Drilldown</a><br><br>-Yaron
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Re: [SRF]Pchart integration
2009-12-15T10:19:06Z
2009-12-15T10:19:06Z
Joel Natividad
Hi Mike,
<br>I contributed SRF-Ploticus. Right now its disabled coz of some security issues. Hopefully, I'll get around to fixing it during the holidays (FYI, that's when I managed to get some downtime to do it last year ;) ).
<br><br>Regardless, a little bird told me that a new SRF charting formatting is around the corner and is due to be released "anyday" now.
<br><br>Its based on Open Flash Chart - <a href="http://teethgrinder.co.uk/open-flash-chart/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://teethgrinder.co.uk/open-flash-chart/</a>.
<br><br>Best,
<br>Joel
<br><br>On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:53 AM, msevero wrote:
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<br>> Hi all,
<br>>
<br>> I've been following this forum since i discovered SMW. I thank all the
<br>> contributors and creator of SMW and it's extensions,it serves me well.
<br>>
<br>> So, I was wondering if there's anybody interested in making a code for the
<br>> pchart library to be part of SRF or is it even worthy,useful or better? I'm
<br>> willing to pay, if the price is right and the license will be free to use
<br>> for everybody.
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Re: Semantic Forms search function and FormPrinter re-design proposal
2009-12-15T10:16:45Z
2009-12-15T10:16:45Z
Sergey Chernyshev-2
Oh, OK - yes, this was partly an idea behind POM, right ;)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Yaron Koren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26799255&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">yaron57@...</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<div><br></div><div>Actually, Semantic Forms already has querying functionality - the "Run query" feature:</div>
<div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Querying_data" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Querying_data</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Hauke - Were you aware of this? If so, how would what you're proposing be different?</div><div><br></div><div>Sergey - He was talking about using the addition of querying as an excuse to refactor SF to use POM - which is not a bad instinct in principle. :)</div>
<div><br></div><font color="#888888"><div><a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Querying_data" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a>-Yaron</div></font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Sergey Chernyshev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26799255&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">sergey.chernyshev@...</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I'm not sure if you can reuse SF form language as it seems to be targeted specifically at data entry.</div><div>
Also, did you check out Semantic DrillDown? It does some filtered navigation and allows for drop-downs and stuff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Not sure how POM is related to this... did you include wrong link?<br></div><div><font color="#888888"><br> Sergey</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Hauke Pribnow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26799255&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hauke.pribnow@...</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello everybody!<br>
<br>
While working on my Semantic Multi Edit Page I got the idea of also<br>
creating another extension for Semantic MediaWiki which would allow<br>
more-skilled users to create something like "search forms" for<br>
less-skilled users who might not directly understand the semantic query<br>
syntax.<br>
<br>
It would be great if the form design syntax for such an extension was<br>
similar to the one of the already existing Semantic Forms extension; IMO<br>
it would make even more sense to pretty much re-design the FormPrinter<br>
from scratch and - during this process - turn it into a more general<br>
code base for creating all sorts of forms, i.e. make the whole thing<br>
more extendable.<br>
<br>
As already mentioned here<br>
<<a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/POM" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/POM</a>>, the<br>
current FormPrinter implementation acutally doesn't just print the form<br>
(as the name suggests), but also does up to five other tasks like<br>
parsing the page that should be edited, handling form input and actually<br>
committing the change to a page that was modified through a form. To me,<br>
this is way too much work for a class that - going by its name - should<br>
only print out a neat form. Redesigning that class is/will be necessary<br>
anyway.<br>
<br>
What do you think about these ideas?<br>
<br>
<br>
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Re: Adding Semantic form fields to Special:Upload
2009-12-15T10:08:38Z
2009-12-15T10:08:38Z
Joel Natividad
Dan,
<br>You may want to check out the SMW+ RichMedia extension.
<br><br><a href="http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/index.php/Help:Rich_Media_Extension" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/index.php/Help:Rich_Media_Extension</a><br><br>It adds additional metadata for each filetype, which is also leveraged in the SMW+ Enhanced Retrieval (Lucene keyword search+wiki search+semantic search+search of text within certain uploaded files [PDF and Word]) -
<br><br><a href="http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/index.php/Help:Enhanced_Retrieval_Extension_1.3?context=Help%3AEnhanced+Retrieval+Extension+1.3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://smwforum.ontoprise.com/smwforum/index.php/Help:Enhanced_Retrieval_Extension_1.3?context=Help%3AEnhanced+Retrieval+Extension+1.3</a><br><br>If you look at the documentation, they even have a detailed howto on how to add namespaces for additional filetypes.
<br><br>Hope this helps,
<br>Joel
<br><br>On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Dan Bolser wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I haven't tried, but you could try adding the form to one of the
<br>> special messages that gets included in that page... I guess that won't
<br>> work outside of the Form namespace...
<br>>
<br>> Better yet, why not just replace special upload with a form that gets
<br>> its target page name from a file upload field and creates a page in
<br>> the Image namespace?
<br>>
<br>> I've been planning to try the above on my site, but I haven't had time
<br>> to get round to it yet.
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>>> Hi
<br>>>
<br>>> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to add semantic form elements
<br>>> to the Special:Upload page?
<br>>>
<br>>> The site I'm working on has it set up so that once a file has been
<br>>> uploaded you can edit the page about the file with a 'edit with form'
<br>>> link, eg:
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="http://wiki.ikmemergent.net/index.php/File:080426-ikm-working-paper-2-communicating-information-and-knowledge-management.pdf" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.ikmemergent.net/index.php/File:080426-ikm-working-paper-2-communicating-information-and-knowledge-management.pdf</a><br>>>
<br>>> But I'd like to add the category selector to the Special:Upload page,
<br>>> the uploading help on the Semantic Forms page doesn't help with this:
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files</a><br>>>
<br>>> Thanks
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Re: Semantic Forms search function and FormPrinter re-design proposal
2009-12-15T09:58:54Z
2009-12-15T09:58:54Z
Yaron Koren
Hi,<div><br></div><div>Actually, Semantic Forms already has querying functionality - the "Run query" feature:</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Querying_data" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Querying_data</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Hauke - Were you aware of this? If so, how would what you're proposing be different?</div><div><br></div><div>Sergey - He was talking about using the addition of querying as an excuse to refactor SF to use POM - which is not a bad instinct in principle. :)</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Querying_data" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a>-Yaron</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Sergey Chernyshev <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26798979&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">sergey.chernyshev@...</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>I'm not sure if you can reuse SF form language as it seems to be targeted specifically at data entry.</div><div>
Also, did you check out Semantic DrillDown? It does some filtered navigation and allows for drop-downs and stuff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Not sure how POM is related to this... did you include wrong link?<br></div><div><font color="#888888"><br> Sergey</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Hauke Pribnow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26798979&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hauke.pribnow@...</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello everybody!<br>
<br>
While working on my Semantic Multi Edit Page I got the idea of also<br>
creating another extension for Semantic MediaWiki which would allow<br>
more-skilled users to create something like "search forms" for<br>
less-skilled users who might not directly understand the semantic query<br>
syntax.<br>
<br>
It would be great if the form design syntax for such an extension was<br>
similar to the one of the already existing Semantic Forms extension; IMO<br>
it would make even more sense to pretty much re-design the FormPrinter<br>
from scratch and - during this process - turn it into a more general<br>
code base for creating all sorts of forms, i.e. make the whole thing<br>
more extendable.<br>
<br>
As already mentioned here<br>
<<a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/POM" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/POM</a>>, the<br>
current FormPrinter implementation acutally doesn't just print the form<br>
(as the name suggests), but also does up to five other tasks like<br>
parsing the page that should be edited, handling form input and actually<br>
committing the change to a page that was modified through a form. To me,<br>
this is way too much work for a class that - going by its name - should<br>
only print out a neat form. Redesigning that class is/will be necessary<br>
anyway.<br>
<br>
What do you think about these ideas?<br>
<br>
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Re: Semantic Forms search function and FormPrinter re-design proposal
2009-12-15T08:55:41Z
2009-12-15T08:55:41Z
Sergey Chernyshev-2
<div>I'm not sure if you can reuse SF form language as it seems to be targeted specifically at data entry.</div><div>Also, did you check out Semantic DrillDown? It does some filtered navigation and allows for drop-downs and stuff.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Not sure how POM is related to this... did you include wrong link?<br></div><div><br> Sergey<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Hauke Pribnow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26798012&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">hauke.pribnow@...</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello everybody!<br>
<br>
While working on my Semantic Multi Edit Page I got the idea of also<br>
creating another extension for Semantic MediaWiki which would allow<br>
more-skilled users to create something like "search forms" for<br>
less-skilled users who might not directly understand the semantic query<br>
syntax.<br>
<br>
It would be great if the form design syntax for such an extension was<br>
similar to the one of the already existing Semantic Forms extension; IMO<br>
it would make even more sense to pretty much re-design the FormPrinter<br>
from scratch and - during this process - turn it into a more general<br>
code base for creating all sorts of forms, i.e. make the whole thing<br>
more extendable.<br>
<br>
As already mentioned here<br>
<<a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/POM" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/POM</a>>, the<br>
current FormPrinter implementation acutally doesn't just print the form<br>
(as the name suggests), but also does up to five other tasks like<br>
parsing the page that should be edited, handling form input and actually<br>
committing the change to a page that was modified through a form. To me,<br>
this is way too much work for a class that - going by its name - should<br>
only print out a neat form. Redesigning that class is/will be necessary<br>
anyway.<br>
<br>
What do you think about these ideas?<br>
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Re: [SRF]Pchart integration
2009-12-15T08:39:14Z
2009-12-15T08:39:14Z
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2009/12/15 msevero <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797766&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">miks@...</a>>:
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<br>> Hi all,
<br>>
<br>> I've been following this forum since i discovered SMW. I thank all the
<br>> contributors and creator of SMW and it's extensions,it serves me well.
<br>>
<br>> So, I was wondering if there's anybody interested in making a code for the
<br>> pchart library to be part of SRF or is it even worthy,useful or better? I'm
<br>> willing to pay, if the price is right and the license will be free to use
<br>> for everybody.
</div><br>pchart?
<br><br><a href="http://pchart.sourceforge.net/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://pchart.sourceforge.net/</a><br><br><br>?
<br><br><br>Looks nice ;-)
<br><br><br>Can you write up your project specifications? i.e. start with some
<br>examples of what you would like to do...
<br><br><br>Cheers,
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Re: Adding Semantic form fields to Special:Upload
2009-12-15T08:37:45Z
2009-12-15T08:37:45Z
Dan Bolser-3
I haven't tried, but you could try adding the form to one of the
<br>special messages that gets included in that page... I guess that won't
<br>work outside of the Form namespace...
<br><br>Better yet, why not just replace special upload with a form that gets
<br>its target page name from a file upload field and creates a page in
<br>the Image namespace?
<br><br>I've been planning to try the above on my site, but I haven't had time
<br>to get round to it yet.
<br><br><br><br>2009/12/15 Chris Croome <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26797741&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">chris@...</a>>:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi
<br>>
<br>> Does anyone have any suggestions about how to add semantic form elements
<br>> to the Special:Upload page?
<br>>
<br>> The site I'm working on has it set up so that once a file has been
<br>> uploaded you can edit the page about the file with a 'edit with form'
<br>> link, eg:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://wiki.ikmemergent.net/index.php/File:080426-ikm-working-paper-2-communicating-information-and-knowledge-management.pdf" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.ikmemergent.net/index.php/File:080426-ikm-working-paper-2-communicating-information-and-knowledge-management.pdf</a><br>>
<br>> But I'd like to add the category selector to the Special:Upload page,
<br>> the uploading help on the Semantic Forms page doesn't help with this:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files</a><br>>
<br>> Thanks
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[SRF]Pchart integration
2009-12-15T07:53:32Z
2009-12-15T07:53:32Z
msevero
Hi all,
<br><br>I've been following this forum since i discovered SMW. I thank all the contributors and creator of SMW and it's extensions,it serves me well.
<br><br>So, I was wondering if there's anybody interested in making a code for the pchart library to be part of SRF or is it even worthy,useful or better? I'm willing to pay, if the price is right and the license will be free to use for everybody.
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Adding Semantic form fields to Special:Upload
2009-12-15T06:18:44Z
2009-12-15T06:18:44Z
Chris Croome
Hi
<br><br>Does anyone have any suggestions about how to add semantic form elements
<br>to the Special:Upload page?
<br><br>The site I'm working on has it set up so that once a file has been
<br>uploaded you can edit the page about the file with a 'edit with form'
<br>link, eg:
<br><br> <a href="http://wiki.ikmemergent.net/index.php/File:080426-ikm-working-paper-2-communicating-information-and-knowledge-management.pdf" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.ikmemergent.net/index.php/File:080426-ikm-working-paper-2-communicating-information-and-knowledge-management.pdf</a><br><br>But I'd like to add the category selector to the Special:Upload page,
<br>the uploading help on the Semantic Forms page doesn't help with this:
<br><br> <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files</a><br><br>Thanks
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Re: Exhibit format and Headertabs
2009-12-15T03:39:15Z
2009-12-15T03:39:15Z
Neill Mitchell
Hi.
<br><br>I think this is an issue with SRF or Exhibit itself. Even on pages with
<br>no header tabs I cannot have more than one exhibit tile format query.
<br><br>Cheers
<br>Neill.
<br>Sergey Chernyshev wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> This is actually maps API specific - they don't work well with hidden
<br>> sections. At least with YUI version that is used in HeaderTabs (old
<br>> and needs updating which I should do but never have time for).
<br>>
<br>> Sergey
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26793464&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>
<br>> <mailto:<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26793464&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Ah, interesting point. I assumed it was the header tabs as I've had
<br>> problems with the Simile based timeline format and headertabs (you can
<br>> only have timelines on the first tab, others just show a grey box).
<br>>
<br>> However, if I have two exhibit format queries in an article with no
<br>> header tabs then the 2nd query does not show then either. So, I wonder
<br>> if this is a SRF specific issue or an Exhibit issue?
<br>>
<br>> Cheers
<br>> Neill.
<br>> Dan Bolser wrote:
<br>> > 2009/12/11 Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26793464&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>
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<br>> >
<br>> >> Hi.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> I have a page with a number of tabs. Two of the tabs have inline
<br>> >> queries with the format set to exhibit.
<br>> >> Only the exhibit format query in the first headertabs works.
<br>> Nothing
<br>> >> gets displayed by the exhibit format query in the following
<br>> tab. If I
<br>> >> remove the exhibit format from the query in the first tab then the
<br>> >> exhibit query in the subsequent tab then works.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Anyone got any ideas? I really don't want to lose the tabbing!
<br>> >>
<br>> >
<br>> > Do the two exhibit format queries both work when included
<br>> sequentially
<br>> > within one tab?
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >> Thanks
<br>> >> Neill.
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Semediawiki User - Maps Query
2009-12-15T03:08:53Z
2009-12-15T03:08:53Z
Sweeney, Andy
Hello!
<br><br>Does anybody know if there is there a way to change the font inside the
<br>Information Bubble on Semantic Maps? I'd like to brighten mine up and
<br>have a different font in there but nothing I try seems to work.
<br><br><br>Andy
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Re: SQFT - Frequencies of properties of type Page
2009-12-15T02:13:20Z
2009-12-15T02:13:20Z
Simon Denham
Hey,
<br><br>I'm using 0.2.7a one, i had been using the previous version till i
<br>updated to see if that would fix my issue.
<br><br>Thankyou for your time,
<br><br>Simon
<br><br>Quoting Günther Zehetner <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26792486&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">zehetner@...</a>>:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>> I'll check that out when I'm back at work tomorrow. What version of
<br>> SQFT are you using?
<br>>
<br>> Gu
<br>>
<br>> --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Simon Denham
<br>> <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26792486&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">simon.denham@...</a>> wrote:
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<br>>> Subject: [Semediawiki-user] SQFT - Frequencies of properties of type Page
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<br>>> Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 2:21 PM
<br>>> Dear All,
<br>>>
<br>>> I have been attempting to use #sask to bring up a list of
<br>>> of all the
<br>>> values of a property within one category and how many times
<br>>> they are
<br>>> used. This works fine for properties of any type except
<br>>> page.
<br>>>
<br>>> If the property is of type page the query correctly lists
<br>>> all the
<br>>> different values of the property but gives each a frequency
<br>>> of 1,
<br>>> regardless of how many times that value was used.
<br>>>
<br>>> Does anyone one know of a work-around for this (beyond
<br>>> changing the type
<br>>> of the property or setting up a substitute property)?
<br>>>
<br>>> Thanks,
<br>>>
<br>>> Simon
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Re: Special:Drilldown is broken mysteriously
2009-12-14T18:18:48Z
2009-12-14T18:18:48Z
Brendan Crosser-McGay
Thanks a bunch Yaron, I'll see if I can resolve this then. Hopefully this
<br>isn't a widespread problem :)
<br>-Brendan
<br><br>On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Yaron Koren <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788371&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">yaron57@...</a>> wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I finally looked at this today, and unfortunately the problem is odder than
<br>> I thought it would be: the problem seems to happen for pages that were saved
<br>> with an older version of either MediaWiki or SMW. When I created similar
<br>> pages on discoursedb.org, they showed up fine in Special:BrowseData. And
<br>> after I resaved a few of the problem pages on your wiki, strangely they
<br>> showed up twice in the URL you sent - both the correct and the incorrect
<br>> versions. I don't know exactly what's causing this, but my guess is that
<br>> it's some bug in an older version of SMW; and that refreshing all the wiki's
<br>> data, either via Special:SMWAdmin or by calling SMW_refreshData.php, should
<br>> fix the problem...
<br>>
<br>> -Yaron
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Brendan Crosser-McGay <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788371&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">verifex@...</a>>wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> Well this did solve the items not showing up issue. However, now I
<br>>> actually have a separate issue. There are some pages in the category
<br>>> (listed below) that have special characters in their name such as ©
<br>>> (copyright) ® (registered) ™ (trademark) and these items no longer show up
<br>>> properly they show a broken link to the item in the browsing section,
<br>>> however non-special character items show up as normal. Example of behavior
<br>>> below:
<br>>>
<br>>> <a href="http://defhoboz.biz/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Equipment" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://defhoboz.biz/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Equipment</a><br>>>
<br>>> -
<br>>> MediaWiki 1.14.0
<br>>> PHP 5.2.8 (apache2handler)
<br>>> MySQL 5.1.30-community
<br>>> -
<br>>> Semantic Drilldown (Version 0.6.2)
<br>>> Semantic Forms (Version 1.8.5)
<br>>> Semantic MediaWiki (Version 1.4.3)
<br>>> Semantic Result Formats (Version 1.4.6)
<br>>> Semantic Compound Queries (Version 0.2.3)
<br>>> Semantic Internal Objects (Version 0.1)
<br>>> Semantic Maps (Version 0.4 RC1)
<br>>> -
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788371&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>>
<br>>>> Hopefully you've seen Yaron's fix for a seemingly related bug in the
<br>>>> thread "[SD] Strange authentication problem with Special:BrowseData"?
<br>>>>
<br>>>> That fix should work for the problem described here.
<br>>>>
<br>>>>
<br>>>> Dan.
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<br>>>> 2009/12/4 Yaron Koren <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788371&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">yaron57@...</a>>:
<br>>>> > That sounds quite bad, and I'm guessing that it somehow is tied in with
<br>>>> the
<br>>>> > other recent problem found with SD, that also involved bad behavior
<br>>>> > depending on who was logged in; and that both are somehow related to
<br>>>> the
<br>>>> > $wgUser variable, and maybe the presence of one or more other
<br>>>> extensions. I
<br>>>> > don't have much time at the moment, but I hope to look into this in the
<br>>>> next
<br>>>> > few days.
<br>>>> >
<br>>>> > -Yaron
<br>>>> >
<br>>>> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Tom <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788371&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">tom@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>>> >
<br>>>> >> Same with me (</ul> </div>), but only, when I'm logged in! As an
<br>>>> >> anonymous user I can browse the data as expected ...
<br>>>> >>
<br>>>> >> -
<br>>>> >> MediaWiki 1.15.1
<br>>>> >> PHP 5.2.11 (apache2handler)
<br>>>> >> MySQL 5.1.36-community-log
<br>>>> >> -
<br>>>> >> Semantic Drilldown (Version 0.6.2)
<br>>>> >> Semantic Forms (Version 1.8.5)
<br>>>> >> Semantic MediaWiki (Version 1.4.3)
<br>>>> >> SMWHalo Extension (Version 1.4.5-for-SMW-1.4.x)
<br>>>> >> FCKeditor (Version fckeditor/mw-extension $Rev$ 2008)
<br>>>> >> Semantic Gardening extension v1.2
<br>>>> >> Semantic Result Formats (Version 1.4.5)
<br>>>> >> -
<br>>>> >>
<br>>>> >> Greetings,
<br>>>> >> Tom
<br>>>> >>
<br>>>> >> 2009/12/4 Krabina Bernhard <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788371&i=5" target="_top" rel="nofollow">krabina@...</a>>:
<br>>>> >> > same here!
<br>>>> >> >
<br>>>> >> > BrowseData shows categories, but no entries, just </ul> </div>
<br>>>> >> >
<br>>>> >> > MediaWiki 1.15.1
<br>>>> >> > PHP 5.2.0-8+etch16 (apache2handler)
<br>>>> >> > MySQL 5.0.32-Debian_7etch11-log
<br>>>> >> > Installed extensions
<br>>>> >> > Special pages
<br>>>> >> > Semantic Drilldown (Version 0.6.2)
<br>>>> >> > Semantic Forms (Version 1.8.5)
<br>>>> >> > Semantic MediaWiki (Version 1.4.3)
<br>>>> >> > Semantic Result Formats (Version 1.4.5)
<br>>>> >> >
<br>>>> >> > -Bernhard
<br>>>> >> >
<br>>>> >> >
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Re: Special:Drilldown is broken mysteriously
2009-12-14T18:15:05Z
2009-12-14T18:15:05Z
Yaron Koren
I finally looked at this today, and unfortunately the problem is odder than
<br>I thought it would be: the problem seems to happen for pages that were saved
<br>with an older version of either MediaWiki or SMW. When I created similar
<br>pages on discoursedb.org, they showed up fine in Special:BrowseData. And
<br>after I resaved a few of the problem pages on your wiki, strangely they
<br>showed up twice in the URL you sent - both the correct and the incorrect
<br>versions. I don't know exactly what's causing this, but my guess is that
<br>it's some bug in an older version of SMW; and that refreshing all the wiki's
<br>data, either via Special:SMWAdmin or by calling SMW_refreshData.php, should
<br>fix the problem...
<br><br>-Yaron
<br><br><br>On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Brendan Crosser-McGay <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788357&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">verifex@...</a>>wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Well this did solve the items not showing up issue. However, now I
<br>> actually have a separate issue. There are some pages in the category
<br>> (listed below) that have special characters in their name such as ©
<br>> (copyright) ® (registered) ™ (trademark) and these items no longer show up
<br>> properly they show a broken link to the item in the browsing section,
<br>> however non-special character items show up as normal. Example of behavior
<br>> below:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://defhoboz.biz/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Equipment" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://defhoboz.biz/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Equipment</a><br>>
<br>> -
<br>> MediaWiki 1.14.0
<br>> PHP 5.2.8 (apache2handler)
<br>> MySQL 5.1.30-community
<br>> -
<br>> Semantic Drilldown (Version 0.6.2)
<br>> Semantic Forms (Version 1.8.5)
<br>> Semantic MediaWiki (Version 1.4.3)
<br>> Semantic Result Formats (Version 1.4.6)
<br>> Semantic Compound Queries (Version 0.2.3)
<br>> Semantic Internal Objects (Version 0.1)
<br>> Semantic Maps (Version 0.4 RC1)
<br>> -
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788357&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>>> Hopefully you've seen Yaron's fix for a seemingly related bug in the
<br>>> thread "[SD] Strange authentication problem with Special:BrowseData"?
<br>>>
<br>>> That fix should work for the problem described here.
<br>>>
<br>>>
<br>>> Dan.
<br>>>
<br>>> --
<br>>>
<br>>> irc://irc.freenode.net/#semanticmediawiki
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<br>>> 2009/12/4 Yaron Koren <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788357&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">yaron57@...</a>>:
<br>>> > That sounds quite bad, and I'm guessing that it somehow is tied in with
<br>>> the
<br>>> > other recent problem found with SD, that also involved bad behavior
<br>>> > depending on who was logged in; and that both are somehow related to the
<br>>> > $wgUser variable, and maybe the presence of one or more other
<br>>> extensions. I
<br>>> > don't have much time at the moment, but I hope to look into this in the
<br>>> next
<br>>> > few days.
<br>>> >
<br>>> > -Yaron
<br>>> >
<br>>> > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Tom <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788357&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">tom@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>> >
<br>>> >> Same with me (</ul> </div>), but only, when I'm logged in! As an
<br>>> >> anonymous user I can browse the data as expected ...
<br>>> >>
<br>>> >> -
<br>>> >> MediaWiki 1.15.1
<br>>> >> PHP 5.2.11 (apache2handler)
<br>>> >> MySQL 5.1.36-community-log
<br>>> >> -
<br>>> >> Semantic Drilldown (Version 0.6.2)
<br>>> >> Semantic Forms (Version 1.8.5)
<br>>> >> Semantic MediaWiki (Version 1.4.3)
<br>>> >> SMWHalo Extension (Version 1.4.5-for-SMW-1.4.x)
<br>>> >> FCKeditor (Version fckeditor/mw-extension $Rev$ 2008)
<br>>> >> Semantic Gardening extension v1.2
<br>>> >> Semantic Result Formats (Version 1.4.5)
<br>>> >> -
<br>>> >>
<br>>> >> Greetings,
<br>>> >> Tom
<br>>> >>
<br>>> >> 2009/12/4 Krabina Bernhard <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26788357&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">krabina@...</a>>:
<br>>> >> > same here!
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> > BrowseData shows categories, but no entries, just </ul> </div>
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> > MediaWiki 1.15.1
<br>>> >> > PHP 5.2.0-8+etch16 (apache2handler)
<br>>> >> > MySQL 5.0.32-Debian_7etch11-log
<br>>> >> > Installed extensions
<br>>> >> > Special pages
<br>>> >> > Semantic Drilldown (Version 0.6.2)
<br>>> >> > Semantic Forms (Version 1.8.5)
<br>>> >> > Semantic MediaWiki (Version 1.4.3)
<br>>> >> > Semantic Result Formats (Version 1.4.5)
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> > -Bernhard
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> >
<br>>> >> >
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Semantic Forms search function and FormPrinter re-design proposal
2009-12-14T15:37:15Z
2009-12-14T15:37:15Z
Hauke Pribnow
Hello everybody!
<br><br>While working on my Semantic Multi Edit Page I got the idea of also
<br>creating another extension for Semantic MediaWiki which would allow
<br>more-skilled users to create something like "search forms" for
<br>less-skilled users who might not directly understand the semantic query
<br>syntax.
<br><br>It would be great if the form design syntax for such an extension was
<br>similar to the one of the already existing Semantic Forms extension; IMO
<br>it would make even more sense to pretty much re-design the FormPrinter
<br>from scratch and - during this process - turn it into a more general
<br>code base for creating all sorts of forms, i.e. make the whole thing
<br>more extendable.
<br><br>As already mentioned here
<br><<a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/POM" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms/POM</a>>, the
<br>current FormPrinter implementation acutally doesn't just print the form
<br>(as the name suggests), but also does up to five other tasks like
<br>parsing the page that should be edited, handling form input and actually
<br>committing the change to a page that was modified through a form. To me,
<br>this is way too much work for a class that - going by its name - should
<br>only print out a neat form. Redesigning that class is/will be necessary
<br>anyway.
<br><br>What do you think about these ideas?
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Sunflower head logo concept
2009-12-14T12:26:43Z
2009-12-14T12:26:43Z
Scott Reed-3
This is based on a sunflower seed head. (original image from wikipedia)
<br>logo draft
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Re: Exhibit format and Headertabs
2009-12-14T12:07:30Z
2009-12-14T12:07:30Z
Sergey Chernyshev-2
This is actually maps API specific - they don't work well with hidden
<br>sections. At least with YUI version that is used in HeaderTabs (old and
<br>needs updating which I should do but never have time for).
<br><br> Sergey
<br><br><br>On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26783956&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Ah, interesting point. I assumed it was the header tabs as I've had
<br>> problems with the Simile based timeline format and headertabs (you can
<br>> only have timelines on the first tab, others just show a grey box).
<br>>
<br>> However, if I have two exhibit format queries in an article with no
<br>> header tabs then the 2nd query does not show then either. So, I wonder
<br>> if this is a SRF specific issue or an Exhibit issue?
<br>>
<br>> Cheers
<br>> Neill.
<br>> Dan Bolser wrote:
<br>> > 2009/12/11 Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26783956&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>:
<br>> >
<br>> >> Hi.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> I have a page with a number of tabs. Two of the tabs have inline
<br>> >> queries with the format set to exhibit.
<br>> >> Only the exhibit format query in the first headertabs works. Nothing
<br>> >> gets displayed by the exhibit format query in the following tab. If I
<br>> >> remove the exhibit format from the query in the first tab then the
<br>> >> exhibit query in the subsequent tab then works.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Anyone got any ideas? I really don't want to lose the tabbing!
<br>> >>
<br>> >
<br>> > Do the two exhibit format queries both work when included sequentially
<br>> > within one tab?
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >> Thanks
<br>> >> Neill.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
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Re: SMW Logo Contest
2009-12-14T07:09:04Z
2009-12-14T07:09:04Z
Yaron Koren
The actual drawing is all mine - the "head" of the dandelion is just a bunch
<br>of white lines with the same point at their center; apparently, contrary to
<br>my fear, it's quite possible to make a stylized dandelion. The concept of
<br>breaking up the drawing into blocks is stolen from a bunch of places, but I
<br>don't think that's what you're referring to...
<br><br>-Yaron
<br><br><br>On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Markus Krötzsch <
<br><a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26779311&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>> wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Samstag, 12. Dezember 2009, Yaron Koren wrote:
<br>> > This was quite good timing, because I was actually thinking the same
<br>> thing
<br>> > (nothing logo-ish enough yet), and I spent a recent flight creating an
<br>> > image on my laptop, that's a stylized, hopefully logo-ish version of a
<br>> > dandelion. Here it is:
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/</a><br>>
<br>> Looks stylish. Do you use components from another logo here or is it all
<br>> your
<br>> original artwork?
<br>>
<br>> -- Markus
<br>>
<br>> >
<br>> > <<a href="http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/</a>>No brackets on it, and it's not quite
<br>> > polished, but hopefully people will find it interesting. Anything about
<br>> it
<br>> > can be changed, of course.
<br>> >
<br>> > Dan: David Gomez put together a wiki page listing all the submissions up
<br>> > till now (though it doesn't have this image yet):
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="http://enlloc.net/wikisemanticsorral/index.php/SMW_Logo" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://enlloc.net/wikisemanticsorral/index.php/SMW_Logo</a><br>> >
<br>> > And yes, there's no prize - probably not even eternal fame. :)
<br>> >
<br>> > -Yaron
<br>> >
<br>> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26779311&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>>
<br>> wrote:
<br>> > > What is the prize? (please don't say eternal fame ;-)
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Where is the competition website?
<br>> > >
<br>> > > What is the deadline for entry?
<br>> > >
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Cheers,
<br>> > > Dan.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > 2009/12/11 Markus Krötzsch <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26779311&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>>:
<br>> > > > I note that this thread has cooled down rather quickly. There have
<br>> been
<br>> > >
<br>> > > some
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > initial ideas, but surely no usable logo came out of this yet.
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > It seemed to me that there was quite some interest in the logo change
<br>> > > > at
<br>> > >
<br>> > > SMW
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > Camp. We would welcome this, too, but we will not push the issue if
<br>> > > > there
<br>> > >
<br>> > > is
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > no sufficient interest in getting it done. So if anybody feels a
<br>> > > > stronger
<br>> > >
<br>> > > need
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > for a logo change, then he should consider contributing here. To make
<br>> > > > it
<br>> > >
<br>> > > more
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > concrete: if you want SMW's logo to change, then please create a
<br>> > >
<br>> > > professional
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > looking SVG logo based on the dandelion theme (or other, but I think
<br>> > > > the dandelion received most support so far).
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > It is also helpful to *announce* any ongoing work on a logo -- we
<br>> don't
<br>> > >
<br>> > > want
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > to have multiple professional design studios and marketing
<br>> departments
<br>> > > > labouring for months in parallel (not that there seems to be much of
<br>> a
<br>> > >
<br>> > > danger,
<br>> > >
<br>> > > > but anyway ;-).
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > Cheers,
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > Markus
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > On Mittwoch, 18. November 2009, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
<br>> > > >> Hi,
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better
<br>> > >
<br>> > > logo.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> In particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus
<br>> not
<br>> > > >> reflecting the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The
<br>> > > >> core developers do not have sufficient resources for creating new
<br>> > > >> logos, but
<br>> > >
<br>> > > we
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> are sure that some of our users/contributors could do a great job
<br>> > > >> here.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you
<br>> have
<br>> > >
<br>> > > an
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> idea for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to
<br>> this
<br>> > >
<br>> > > list
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> by replying to this email. Below you can find the general
<br>> > > >> requirements that a logo should satisfy.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can
<br>> > >
<br>> > > always
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a
<br>> > > >> suitable format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in
<br>> the
<br>> > >
<br>> > > logos
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> of related projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...).
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal
<br>> gratitude
<br>> > > >> of the SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a
<br>> > >
<br>> > > commercial
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> context -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant
<br>> to
<br>> > >
<br>> > > the
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> eyes of your customers.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Cheers,
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> Markus
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> [1] <a href="http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/</a><br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") ==
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not
<br>> > > >> subject
<br>> > >
<br>> > > to
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the
<br>> > >
<br>> > > distribution
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, you agree
<br>> > > >> on disclosing all legal restrictions on
<br>> using/modifying/redistributing
<br>> > > >> the logo, and these restrictions MUST be stated in the submission.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution
<br>> > >
<br>> > > printing
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> at big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG
<br>> > >
<br>> > > version.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a
<br>> > >
<br>> > > readable
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less
<br>> frightening
<br>> > >
<br>> > > to
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> some users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo
<br>> > > >> without this text, but there should be a standard way to include
<br>> the
<br>> > >
<br>> > > text.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be
<br>> > >
<br>> > > suitable
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> both as an open source project logo and as a product logo.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared
<br>> > > >> version to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button
<br>> > > >> version that can be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the
<br>> > > >> bottom
<br>> > >
<br>> > > of
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> a wiki. Other small "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in
<br>> the
<br>> > >
<br>> > > size
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> of the "RSS" buttons that you see in blogs), but are not required.
<br>> > > >>
<br>> > > >> * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that
<br>> > > >> can
<br>> > >
<br>> > > be
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW"
<br>> > >
<br>> > > should
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> not be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects
<br>> > > >> (the font used for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely
<br>> > >
<br>> > > available,
<br>> > >
<br>> > > >> the SVG file should be editable).
<br>> > > >
<br>> > > > --
<br>> > > > Markus Krötzsch <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26779311&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>>
<br>> > > > * Personal page: <a href="http://korrekt.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://korrekt.org</a><br>> > > > * Semantic MediaWiki: <a href="http://semantic-mediawiki.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semantic-mediawiki.org</a><br>> > > > * Semantic Web textbook: <a href="http://semantic-web-book.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semantic-web-book.org</a><br>> > > > --
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<br>> * Personal page: <a href="http://korrekt.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://korrekt.org</a><br>> * Semantic MediaWiki: <a href="http://semantic-mediawiki.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semantic-mediawiki.org</a><br>> * Semantic Web textbook: <a href="http://semantic-web-book.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semantic-web-book.org</a><br>> --
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Re: SQFT - Frequencies of properties of type Page
2009-12-14T06:25:55Z
2009-12-14T06:25:55Z
Günther Zehetner
Hi,
<br>I'll check that out when I'm back at work tomorrow. What version of SQFT are you using?
<br><br>Gu
<br><br>--- On Mon, 12/14/09, Simon Denham <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26778607&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">simon.denham@...</a>> wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> From: Simon Denham <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26778607&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">simon.denham@...</a>>
<br>> Subject: [Semediawiki-user] SQFT - Frequencies of properties of type Page
<br>> To: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26778607&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">semediawiki-user@...</a>
<br>> Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 2:21 PM
<br>> Dear All,
<br>>
<br>> I have been attempting to use #sask to bring up a list of
<br>> of all the
<br>> values of a property within one category and how many times
<br>> they are
<br>> used. This works fine for properties of any type except
<br>> page.
<br>>
<br>> If the property is of type page the query correctly lists
<br>> all the
<br>> different values of the property but gives each a frequency
<br>> of 1,
<br>> regardless of how many times that value was used.
<br>>
<br>> Does anyone one know of a work-around for this (beyond
<br>> changing the type
<br>> of the property or setting up a substitute property)?
<br>>
<br>> Thanks,
<br>>
<br>> Simon
<br>>
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SQFT - Frequencies of properties of type Page
2009-12-14T05:21:05Z
2009-12-14T05:21:05Z
Simon Denham
Dear All,
<br><br>I have been attempting to use #sask to bring up a list of of all the
<br>values of a property within one category and how many times they are
<br>used. This works fine for properties of any type except page.
<br><br>If the property is of type page the query correctly lists all the
<br>different values of the property but gives each a frequency of 1,
<br>regardless of how many times that value was used.
<br><br>Does anyone one know of a work-around for this (beyond changing the type
<br>of the property or setting up a substitute property)?
<br><br>Thanks,
<br><br>Simon
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tag:old.nabble.com,2006:post-26777502
Re: SMW logo?
2009-12-14T05:11:01Z
2009-12-14T05:11:01Z
Markus Krötzsch-2
On Freitag, 11. Dezember 2009, Hays, Bob wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Markus,
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> As an idea for a SMW logo - how about something like the following:
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://danaklumb.com/index.php?/projects/advana-science-logo/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://danaklumb.com/index.php?/projects/advana-science-logo/</a><br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Take the yellow-orange MediaWiki flower and run it in a galaxy format as
<br>> shown below...
</div></div>Indeed, galaxy is another common logo style that may fit the project while
<br>taking up some elements from our current logo.
<br><br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> ... maybe this guy (below) could help out... :)
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://graffletopia.com/stencils/486" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://graffletopia.com/stencils/486</a><br><br>I think this user just uploaded the W3C logos to this page -- he wasn't the
<br>one making them originally.
<br><br>-- Markus
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<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Bob Hays, PMP
<br>>
<br>> Manager of Data Acquisitions
<br>>
<br>> T: 501.663.0100 x 3654
<br>>
<br>> F: 501.664.3934
<br>>
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<br>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:51:15 +0000
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<br>> From: Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=7" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] SMW Logo Contest
<br>>
<br>> To: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=8" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>
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<br>> What is the prize? (please don't say eternal fame ;-)
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<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Where is the competition website?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> What is the deadline for entry?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Cheers,
<br>>
<br>> Dan.
<br>>
<br>> 2009/12/11 Markus Kr?tzsch <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=11" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>>:
<br>> > I note that this thread has cooled down rather quickly. There have been
<br>> > some
<br>> >
<br>> > initial ideas, but surely no usable logo came out of this yet.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > It seemed to me that there was quite some interest in the logo change at
<br>> > SMW
<br>> >
<br>> > Camp. We would welcome this, too, but we will not push the issue if there
<br>> > is
<br>> >
<br>> > no sufficient interest in getting it done. So if anybody feels a stronger
<br>> > need
<br>> >
<br>> > for a logo change, then he should consider contributing here. To make it
<br>> > more
<br>> >
<br>> > concrete: if you want SMW's logo to change, then please create a
<br>> > professional
<br>> >
<br>> > looking SVG logo based on the dandelion theme (or other, but I think the
<br>> >
<br>> > dandelion received most support so far).
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > It is also helpful to *announce* any ongoing work on a logo -- we don't
<br>> > want
<br>> >
<br>> > to have multiple professional design studios and marketing departments
<br>> >
<br>> > labouring for months in parallel (not that there seems to be much of a
<br>> > danger,
<br>> >
<br>> > but anyway ;-).
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Cheers,
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Markus
<br>> >
<br>> > On Mittwoch, 18. November 2009, Markus Kr?tzsch wrote:
<br>> >> Hi,
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better
<br>> >> logo.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?In particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus not
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?reflecting the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The core
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?developers do not have sufficient resources for creating new logos, but
<br>> >> we
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?are sure that some of our users/contributors could do a great job here.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you have
<br>> >> an
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?idea for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to this
<br>> >> list
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?by replying to this email. Below you can find the general requirements
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?that a logo should satisfy.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can
<br>> >> always
<br>> >>
<br>> >> work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?suitable format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in the
<br>> >> logos
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?of related projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...).
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal gratitude of
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?the SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a
<br>> >> commercial
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?context -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant to
<br>> >> the
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?eyes of your customers.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Cheers,
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Markus
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> [1] <a href="http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/</a><br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") ==
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not subject
<br>> >> to
<br>> >>
<br>> >> other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the
<br>> >> distribution
<br>> >>
<br>> >> (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, you agree on
<br>> >>
<br>> >> disclosing all legal restrictions on using/modifying/redistributing the
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?logo, and these restrictions MUST be stated in the submission.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution
<br>> >> printing
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?at big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG
<br>> >> version.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a
<br>> >> readable
<br>> >>
<br>> >> form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less frightening
<br>> >> to
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?some users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?without this text, but there should be a standard way to include the
<br>> >> text.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be
<br>> >> suitable
<br>> >>
<br>> >> both as an open source project logo and as a product logo.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?version to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?version that can be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the bottom
<br>> >> of
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?a wiki. Other small "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in the
<br>> >> size
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?of the "RSS" buttons that you see in blogs), but are not required.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that can
<br>> >> be
<br>> >>
<br>> >> used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW"
<br>> >> should
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?not be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects (the
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?font used for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely
<br>> >> available,
<br>> >>
<br>> >> ?the SVG file should be editable).
<br>> >
<br>> > --
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<br>> >
<br>> > * Personal page: <a href="http://korrekt.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://korrekt.org</a><br>> >
<br>> > * Semantic MediaWiki: <a href="http://semantic-mediawiki.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semantic-mediawiki.org</a><br>> >
<br>> > * Semantic Web textbook: <a href="http://semantic-web-book.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semantic-web-book.org</a><br>> >
<br>> > --
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<br>> From: Laurent Alquier <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=14" target="_top" rel="nofollow">laurent@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Specificity of property names?
<br>>
<br>> Cc: Semantic MediaWiki Users <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=15" target="_top" rel="nofollow">semediawiki-user@...</a>>
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<br>> On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Dan Bolser wrote:
<br>> > Right, but I can similarly create a "Works in" property and define
<br>> >
<br>> > "Works in Institute" as a subproperty of that property.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > After discussing it, I'm guessing its just a matter of taste, and not
<br>> >
<br>> > a significant design choice...
<br>> >
<br>> > Thanks for your help with this.
<br>>
<br>> It is a matter of choice and of how complicated your data model is I
<br>> suppose.
<br>>
<br>> > About 'standard' relationships... How should I say that 'Institute X
<br>> >
<br>> > is located in Country Y'?
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Just 'Is located in'?
<br>>
<br>> I am not sure I understand your last question.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> What are 'standard' relationships ?
<br>>
<br>> > Cheers,
<br>> >
<br>> > Dan.
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<br>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:56:00 +0000
<br>>
<br>> From: Chris Croome <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=17" target="_top" rel="nofollow">chris@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Semantic forms red links problem
<br>>
<br>> To: Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=18" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>>
<br>>
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<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Hi
<br>>
<br>> On Fri 11-Dec-2009 at 04:44:04PM +0000, Dan Bolser wrote:
<br>> > However, now that I think of it... this probably isn't what you want!
<br>>
<br>> OK, thanks, I might try to work through what you said above though to
<br>>
<br>> try to get my head around it all...
<br>>
<br>> > I'm guessing you want the categories form on every page...
<br>>
<br>> Yes, well, in the main and Workspaces and Thematics workspaces.
<br>>
<br>> > Actually your site is working fine! What is confusing you is the text
<br>> >
<br>> > you see that reads "Add Categories" when you click the red link. It's
<br>> >
<br>> > actually creating a page called "This is a test link", but the text it
<br>> >
<br>> > displays is confusing.
<br>>
<br>> Ahh, yes, I see, OK :-)
<br>>
<br>> > There is a way to change that text... Its buried somwhere here:
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms</a><br>>
<br>> OK, thanks, I'll try to find it...
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> All the best
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Chris
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:21:55 +0000
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<br>> From: Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=21" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Subject: [Semediawiki-user] Exhibit format and Headertabs
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<br>> To: Semantic MediaWiki users <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=22" target="_top" rel="nofollow">semediawiki-user@...</a>>
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<br>>
<br>> Hi.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> I have a page with a number of tabs. Two of the tabs have inline
<br>>
<br>> queries with the format set to exhibit.
<br>>
<br>> Only the exhibit format query in the first headertabs works. Nothing
<br>>
<br>> gets displayed by the exhibit format query in the following tab. If I
<br>>
<br>> remove the exhibit format from the query in the first tab then the
<br>>
<br>> exhibit query in the subsequent tab then works.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Anyone got any ideas? I really don't want to lose the tabbing!
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Thanks
<br>>
<br>> Neill.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>>
<br>> Message: 5
<br>>
<br>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:13:46 +0000
<br>>
<br>> From: Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=24" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Specificity of property names?
<br>>
<br>> To: Laurent Alquier <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=25" target="_top" rel="nofollow">laurent@...</a>>
<br>>
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<br>> 2009/12/11 Laurent Alquier <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=28" target="_top" rel="nofollow">laurent@...</a>>:
<br>> > On Dec 11, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Dan Bolser wrote:
<br>> >> Right, but I can similarly create a "Works in" property and define
<br>> >>
<br>> >> "Works in Institute" as a subproperty of that property.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> After discussing it, I'm guessing its just a matter of taste, and not
<br>> >>
<br>> >> a significant design choice...
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Thanks for your help with this.
<br>> >
<br>> > It is a matter of choice and of how complicated your data model is I
<br>> > suppose.
<br>> >
<br>> >> About 'standard' relationships... How should I say that 'Institute X
<br>> >>
<br>> >> is located in Country Y'?
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Just 'Is located in'?
<br>> >
<br>> > I am not sure I understand your last question.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > What are 'standard' relationships ?
<br>>
<br>> Well, I could define the property as "Is loocated in coountry", and
<br>>
<br>> use that property name consistently throughout my wiki without any
<br>>
<br>> problems. However, that just seems wrong to me.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> I'm wondering if relationships for basic data has easy to find
<br>>
<br>> controlled vocabularies or ontologies that I can (or even should) use
<br>>
<br>> when designing my site?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Where are the examples of best practice?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Cheers,
<br>>
<br>> Dan.
<br>>
<br>> >> Cheers,
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Dan.
<br>> >
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<br>>
<br>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:15:34 +0000
<br>>
<br>> From: Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=30" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Exhibit format and Headertabs
<br>>
<br>> To: Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=31" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>
<br>>
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<br>> 2009/12/11 Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=34" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>:
<br>> > Hi.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > I have a page with ?a number of tabs. Two of the tabs have inline
<br>> >
<br>> > queries with the format set to exhibit.
<br>> >
<br>> > Only the exhibit format query in the first headertabs works. Nothing
<br>> >
<br>> > gets displayed by the exhibit format query in the following tab. If I
<br>> >
<br>> > remove the exhibit format from the query in the first tab then the
<br>> >
<br>> > exhibit query in the subsequent tab then works.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Anyone got any ideas? I really don't want to lose the tabbing!
<br>>
<br>> Do the two exhibit format queries both work when included sequentially
<br>>
<br>> within one tab?
<br>>
<br>> > Thanks
<br>> >
<br>> > Neill.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
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<br>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:15:11 -0500
<br>>
<br>> From: Laurent Alquier <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=36" target="_top" rel="nofollow">laurent@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Exhibit format and Headertabs
<br>>
<br>> Cc: Semantic MediaWiki users <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=37" target="_top" rel="nofollow">semediawiki-user@...</a>>
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<br>>
<br>> There seems to be a conflict between javascript code from exhibit and the
<br>> YUI javascript code used by headertabs.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> I noted similar issues a little while ago... and unfortunately, there
<br>> doesn't seem to be a solution in the near term.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> It would take troubleshooting time to track down the exact conflict, and
<br>> development time to either fix it in Exhibit or to migrate Headertabs to
<br>> another javascript framework such as Jquery.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> - Laurent
<br>>
<br>> On Dec 11, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Neill Mitchell wrote:
<br>> > Hi.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > I have a page with a number of tabs. Two of the tabs have inline
<br>> >
<br>> > queries with the format set to exhibit.
<br>> >
<br>> > Only the exhibit format query in the first headertabs works. Nothing
<br>> >
<br>> > gets displayed by the exhibit format query in the following tab. If I
<br>> >
<br>> > remove the exhibit format from the query in the first tab then the
<br>> >
<br>> > exhibit query in the subsequent tab then works.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Anyone got any ideas? I really don't want to lose the tabbing!
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Thanks
<br>> >
<br>> > Neill.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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<br>> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:56:02 -0800
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<br>> From: Alex Kozak <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=40" target="_top" rel="nofollow">akozak@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] Random sort in #ask
<br>>
<br>> To: Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=41" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>
<br>>
<br>> Cc: Patrick Nagel <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=42" target="_top" rel="nofollow">mail@...</a>>,
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<br>>
<br>> Ha! This is prefect. Yea, I didn't try it first, which in retrospect
<br>>
<br>> was a bad move. That'll teach me to rely too heavily on the
<br>>
<br>> documentation.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Thanks for the responses and documentation updates. Yaron, if you're
<br>>
<br>> reading this, your cheat sheet needs updating :)
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> - Alex
<br>>
<br>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777502&i=45" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>
</div>wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> > Hi.
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > I can confirm that this works with SMW 1.4.3 :)
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Cheers
<br>> >
<br>> > Neill.
<br>> >
<br>> > Philipp Zaltenbach wrote:
<br>> >> Hi,
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> I have updated the documentation at semantic-mediawiki.org. See
<br>> >>
<br>> >> * <a href="http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries#Sorting_results" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries#Sorting_results</a><br>> >>
<br>> >> * <a href="http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Configuration#Query_settings" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Configuration#Query_settings</a><br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> It would be nice if anyone could double check.
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Regards,
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Philipp
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Patrick Nagel schrieb:
<br>> >>> Hi Alex,
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> On 2009-12-11 01:38 UTC Alex Kozak wrote:
<br>> >>>> I'm wondering if there is a way to do a random sort in #ask queries
<br>> >>>> (maybe
<br>> >>>>
<br>> >>>> with something like order=random), and if not, if anyone has any ideas
<br>> >>>> on
<br>> >>>>
<br>> >>>> how to accomplish this (sanely) with templates and parsers?
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> Did you try 'order=random'? It should work in current versions, but for
<br>> >>> an
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> unknown reason it's currently not documented on semantic-mediawiki.org.
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>>
<br>> >>> See <a href="http://old.nabble.com/Random-Sort-in-SMW-1.4-td20670044.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://old.nabble.com/Random-Sort-in-SMW-1.4-td20670044.html</a><br>> >>>
<br>> >>>
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<br>> >>> Patrick.
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Re: SMW Logo Contest
2009-12-14T05:08:33Z
2009-12-14T05:08:33Z
Markus Krötzsch-2
On Samstag, 12. Dezember 2009, Yaron Koren wrote:
<br>> This was quite good timing, because I was actually thinking the same thing
<br>> (nothing logo-ish enough yet), and I spent a recent flight creating an
<br>> image on my laptop, that's a stylized, hopefully logo-ish version of a
<br>> dandelion. Here it is:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/</a><br><br>Looks stylish. Do you use components from another logo here or is it all your
<br>original artwork?
<br><br>-- Markus
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> <<a href="http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/</a>>No brackets on it, and it's not quite
<br>> polished, but hopefully people will find it interesting. Anything about it
<br>> can be changed, of course.
<br>>
<br>> Dan: David Gomez put together a wiki page listing all the submissions up
<br>> till now (though it doesn't have this image yet):
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://enlloc.net/wikisemanticsorral/index.php/SMW_Logo" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://enlloc.net/wikisemanticsorral/index.php/SMW_Logo</a><br>>
<br>> And yes, there's no prize - probably not even eternal fame. :)
<br>>
<br>> -Yaron
<br>>
<br>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777476&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> > What is the prize? (please don't say eternal fame ;-)
<br>> >
<br>> > Where is the competition website?
<br>> >
<br>> > What is the deadline for entry?
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Cheers,
<br>> > Dan.
<br>> >
<br>> > 2009/12/11 Markus Krötzsch <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777476&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>>:
<br>> > > I note that this thread has cooled down rather quickly. There have been
<br>> >
<br>> > some
<br>> >
<br>> > > initial ideas, but surely no usable logo came out of this yet.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > It seemed to me that there was quite some interest in the logo change
<br>> > > at
<br>> >
<br>> > SMW
<br>> >
<br>> > > Camp. We would welcome this, too, but we will not push the issue if
<br>> > > there
<br>> >
<br>> > is
<br>> >
<br>> > > no sufficient interest in getting it done. So if anybody feels a
<br>> > > stronger
<br>> >
<br>> > need
<br>> >
<br>> > > for a logo change, then he should consider contributing here. To make
<br>> > > it
<br>> >
<br>> > more
<br>> >
<br>> > > concrete: if you want SMW's logo to change, then please create a
<br>> >
<br>> > professional
<br>> >
<br>> > > looking SVG logo based on the dandelion theme (or other, but I think
<br>> > > the dandelion received most support so far).
<br>> > >
<br>> > > It is also helpful to *announce* any ongoing work on a logo -- we don't
<br>> >
<br>> > want
<br>> >
<br>> > > to have multiple professional design studios and marketing departments
<br>> > > labouring for months in parallel (not that there seems to be much of a
<br>> >
<br>> > danger,
<br>> >
<br>> > > but anyway ;-).
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Cheers,
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Markus
<br>> > >
<br>> > > On Mittwoch, 18. November 2009, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
<br>> > >> Hi,
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better
<br>> >
<br>> > logo.
<br>> >
<br>> > >> In particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus not
<br>> > >> reflecting the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The
<br>> > >> core developers do not have sufficient resources for creating new
<br>> > >> logos, but
<br>> >
<br>> > we
<br>> >
<br>> > >> are sure that some of our users/contributors could do a great job
<br>> > >> here.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you have
<br>> >
<br>> > an
<br>> >
<br>> > >> idea for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to this
<br>> >
<br>> > list
<br>> >
<br>> > >> by replying to this email. Below you can find the general
<br>> > >> requirements that a logo should satisfy.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can
<br>> >
<br>> > always
<br>> >
<br>> > >> work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a
<br>> > >> suitable format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in the
<br>> >
<br>> > logos
<br>> >
<br>> > >> of related projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...).
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal gratitude
<br>> > >> of the SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a
<br>> >
<br>> > commercial
<br>> >
<br>> > >> context -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant to
<br>> >
<br>> > the
<br>> >
<br>> > >> eyes of your customers.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Cheers,
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Markus
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> [1] <a href="http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/</a><br>> > >>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") ==
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not
<br>> > >> subject
<br>> >
<br>> > to
<br>> >
<br>> > >> other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the
<br>> >
<br>> > distribution
<br>> >
<br>> > >> (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, you agree
<br>> > >> on disclosing all legal restrictions on using/modifying/redistributing
<br>> > >> the logo, and these restrictions MUST be stated in the submission.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution
<br>> >
<br>> > printing
<br>> >
<br>> > >> at big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG
<br>> >
<br>> > version.
<br>> >
<br>> > >> * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a
<br>> >
<br>> > readable
<br>> >
<br>> > >> form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less frightening
<br>> >
<br>> > to
<br>> >
<br>> > >> some users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo
<br>> > >> without this text, but there should be a standard way to include the
<br>> >
<br>> > text.
<br>> >
<br>> > >> * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be
<br>> >
<br>> > suitable
<br>> >
<br>> > >> both as an open source project logo and as a product logo.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared
<br>> > >> version to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button
<br>> > >> version that can be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the
<br>> > >> bottom
<br>> >
<br>> > of
<br>> >
<br>> > >> a wiki. Other small "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in the
<br>> >
<br>> > size
<br>> >
<br>> > >> of the "RSS" buttons that you see in blogs), but are not required.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that
<br>> > >> can
<br>> >
<br>> > be
<br>> >
<br>> > >> used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW"
<br>> >
<br>> > should
<br>> >
<br>> > >> not be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects
<br>> > >> (the font used for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely
<br>> >
<br>> > available,
<br>> >
<br>> > >> the SVG file should be editable).
<br>> > >
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Re: SMW Logo Contest
2009-12-14T05:04:02Z
2009-12-14T05:04:02Z
Markus Krötzsch-2
On Samstag, 12. Dezember 2009, Dan Bolser wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Here is my suggestion [without the chance to win eternal fame, I'll
<br>> just play the busybody ;-)]:
<br>>
<br>> The continued debate about what the logo should / should not be, what
<br>> it says about SMW, and what SMW wants to say, I think, points to the
<br>> need for a more structured logo competition. I think we need a 'submit
<br>> an entry' page somewhere, and each image should be accompanied by a
<br>> brief text describing the concept behind the image. The competition
<br>> should be as much about the concept as the image itself. The
<br>> competition needs a clear deadline, and a nice prize (to get a wider
<br>> group of people involved). Once the deadline has passed, a panel of
<br>> judges can choose a winner and say something nice about all the
<br>> entries.
<br>>
<br>> Mostly I just like the idea of a logo competition site (built using
<br>> SMW naturally).
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Although I'm really enjoying this thread (awesome images!), it reminds
<br>> me a bit of this:
<br>> <a href="http://producingoss.com/en/common-pitfalls.html#bikeshed" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://producingoss.com/en/common-pitfalls.html#bikeshed</a></div></div>Would it be enough to have a public wiki page somewhere to upload ideas (what
<br>about the page that we already have?)? While it might be interesting to set up
<br>a dedicated logo competition site, I don't think that this effort is really
<br>needed here. Of course, I won't stop anybody from doing it.
<br><br>-- Markus
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>> (I'd strongly recommend everyone reading chapter 6 of that book).
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Cheers,
<br>> Dan.
<br>>
<br>> 2009/12/11 Yaron Koren <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777402&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">yaron57@...</a>>:
<br>> > This was quite good timing, because I was actually thinking the same
<br>> > thing (nothing logo-ish enough yet), and I spent a recent flight creating
<br>> > an image on my laptop, that's a stylized, hopefully logo-ish version of a
<br>> > dandelion. Here it is:
<br>> > <a href="http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/</a><br>> > No brackets on it, and it's not quite polished, but hopefully people will
<br>> > find it interesting. Anything about it can be changed, of course.
<br>> > Dan: David Gomez put together a wiki page listing all the submissions up
<br>> > till now (though it doesn't have this image yet):
<br>> > <a href="http://enlloc.net/wikisemanticsorral/index.php/SMW_Logo" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://enlloc.net/wikisemanticsorral/index.php/SMW_Logo</a><br>> > And yes, there's no prize - probably not even eternal fame. :)
<br>> > -Yaron
<br>> >
<br>> > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777402&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> >> What is the prize? (please don't say eternal fame ;-)
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Where is the competition website?
<br>> >>
<br>> >> What is the deadline for entry?
<br>> >>
<br>> >>
<br>> >> Cheers,
<br>> >> Dan.
<br>> >>
<br>> >> 2009/12/11 Markus Krötzsch <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777402&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>>:
<br>> >> > I note that this thread has cooled down rather quickly. There have
<br>> >> > been some
<br>> >> > initial ideas, but surely no usable logo came out of this yet.
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> > It seemed to me that there was quite some interest in the logo change
<br>> >> > at SMW
<br>> >> > Camp. We would welcome this, too, but we will not push the issue if
<br>> >> > there is
<br>> >> > no sufficient interest in getting it done. So if anybody feels a
<br>> >> > stronger need
<br>> >> > for a logo change, then he should consider contributing here. To make
<br>> >> > it more
<br>> >> > concrete: if you want SMW's logo to change, then please create a
<br>> >> > professional
<br>> >> > looking SVG logo based on the dandelion theme (or other, but I think
<br>> >> > the dandelion received most support so far).
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> > It is also helpful to *announce* any ongoing work on a logo -- we
<br>> >> > don't want
<br>> >> > to have multiple professional design studios and marketing departments
<br>> >> > labouring for months in parallel (not that there seems to be much of a
<br>> >> > danger,
<br>> >> > but anyway ;-).
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> > Cheers,
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> > Markus
<br>> >> >
<br>> >> > On Mittwoch, 18. November 2009, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
<br>> >> >> Hi,
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better
<br>> >> >> logo.
<br>> >> >> In particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus
<br>> >> >> not reflecting the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The
<br>> >> >> core developers do not have sufficient resources for creating new
<br>> >> >> logos, but we
<br>> >> >> are sure that some of our users/contributors could do a great job
<br>> >> >> here.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you
<br>> >> >> have an
<br>> >> >> idea for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to
<br>> >> >> this list
<br>> >> >> by replying to this email. Below you can find the general
<br>> >> >> requirements that a logo should satisfy.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can
<br>> >> >> always
<br>> >> >> work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a
<br>> >> >> suitable format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in the
<br>> >> >> logos
<br>> >> >> of related projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...).
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal gratitude
<br>> >> >> of
<br>> >> >> the SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a
<br>> >> >> commercial
<br>> >> >> context -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant
<br>> >> >> to the
<br>> >> >> eyes of your customers.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> Cheers,
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> Markus
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> [1] <a href="http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/</a><br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") ==
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not
<br>> >> >> subject to
<br>> >> >> other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the
<br>> >> >> distribution
<br>> >> >> (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, you agree
<br>> >> >> on disclosing all legal restrictions on
<br>> >> >> using/modifying/redistributing the logo, and these restrictions MUST
<br>> >> >> be stated in the submission.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution
<br>> >> >> printing
<br>> >> >> at big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG
<br>> >> >> version.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a
<br>> >> >> readable
<br>> >> >> form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less
<br>> >> >> frightening to
<br>> >> >> some users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo
<br>> >> >> without this text, but there should be a standard way to include the
<br>> >> >> text.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be
<br>> >> >> suitable
<br>> >> >> both as an open source project logo and as a product logo.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared
<br>> >> >> version to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button
<br>> >> >> version that can be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the
<br>> >> >> bottom of
<br>> >> >> a wiki. Other small "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in the
<br>> >> >> size
<br>> >> >> of the "RSS" buttons that you see in blogs), but are not required.
<br>> >> >>
<br>> >> >> * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that
<br>> >> >> can be
<br>> >> >> used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW"
<br>> >> >> should
<br>> >> >> not be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects
<br>> >> >> (the font used for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely
<br>> >> >> available,
<br>> >> >> the SVG file should be editable).
<br>> >> >
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Re: SMW Logo Contest
2009-12-14T04:58:18Z
2009-12-14T04:58:18Z
Markus Krötzsch-2
On Samstag, 12. Dezember 2009, Sweeney, Andy wrote:
<br>> Is the dandelion fixed as a concept?
<br>>
<br>> SMW is surely about gathering and catching information, not about spreading
<br>> it wider. Wouldn't a spider's web or a fishing net be more appropriate?
<br>>
<br>> Just a thought...
<br><br>The dandelion is not fixed; it was just found to be somewhat modern and catchy
<br>(see the logo trends page), and it has some relationship to the MW flower. I
<br>guess some people have more positive associations to a flower than to a spider
<br>web, but it all depends on how it is done. But I think "fishing" has a
<br>somewhat negative connotation in the context of a web application.
<br><br>In general, I think that symbolism is not an important feature of a logo at
<br>all. It is nice to be able to explain the logo if someone asks, but most
<br>people will just look at the logo and take it for granted (and maybe find that
<br>it conjures up some positive associations for them).
<br><br>-- Markus
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> ----- Original Message -----
<br>> From: Yaron Koren <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777339&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">yaron57@...</a>>
<br>> To: Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777339&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>>
<br>> Cc: <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777339&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a> <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777339&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>>;
<br>> <a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777339&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">semediawiki-user@...</a>
<br>> <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777339&i=5" target="_top" rel="nofollow">semediawiki-user@...</a>> Sent: Fri Dec 11 23:20:00 2009
<br>> Subject: Re: [Semediawiki-user] SMW Logo Contest
<br>>
<br>> This was quite good timing, because I was actually thinking the same thing
<br>> (nothing logo-ish enough yet), and I spent a recent flight creating an
<br>> image on my laptop, that's a stylized, hopefully logo-ish version of a
<br>> dandelion. Here it is:
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/</a><br>>
<br>> <<a href="http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.postable.net/smw-logo/</a>>No brackets on it, and it's not quite
<br>> polished, but hopefully people will find it interesting. Anything about it
<br>> can be changed, of course.
<br>>
<br>> Dan: David Gomez put together a wiki page listing all the submissions up
<br>> till now (though it doesn't have this image yet):
<br>>
<br>> <a href="http://enlloc.net/wikisemanticsorral/index.php/SMW_Logo" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://enlloc.net/wikisemanticsorral/index.php/SMW_Logo</a><br>>
<br>> And yes, there's no prize - probably not even eternal fame. :)
<br>>
<br>> -Yaron
<br>>
<br>> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Dan Bolser <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777339&i=6" target="_top" rel="nofollow">dan.bolser@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> > What is the prize? (please don't say eternal fame ;-)
<br>> >
<br>> > Where is the competition website?
<br>> >
<br>> > What is the deadline for entry?
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> > Cheers,
<br>> > Dan.
<br>> >
<br>> > 2009/12/11 Markus Krötzsch <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26777339&i=7" target="_top" rel="nofollow">markus@...</a>>:
<br>> > > I note that this thread has cooled down rather quickly. There have been
<br>> >
<br>> > some
<br>> >
<br>> > > initial ideas, but surely no usable logo came out of this yet.
<br>> > >
<br>> > > It seemed to me that there was quite some interest in the logo change
<br>> > > at
<br>> >
<br>> > SMW
<br>> >
<br>> > > Camp. We would welcome this, too, but we will not push the issue if
<br>> > > there
<br>> >
<br>> > is
<br>> >
<br>> > > no sufficient interest in getting it done. So if anybody feels a
<br>> > > stronger
<br>> >
<br>> > need
<br>> >
<br>> > > for a logo change, then he should consider contributing here. To make
<br>> > > it
<br>> >
<br>> > more
<br>> >
<br>> > > concrete: if you want SMW's logo to change, then please create a
<br>> >
<br>> > professional
<br>> >
<br>> > > looking SVG logo based on the dandelion theme (or other, but I think
<br>> > > the dandelion received most support so far).
<br>> > >
<br>> > > It is also helpful to *announce* any ongoing work on a logo -- we don't
<br>> >
<br>> > want
<br>> >
<br>> > > to have multiple professional design studios and marketing departments
<br>> > > labouring for months in parallel (not that there seems to be much of a
<br>> >
<br>> > danger,
<br>> >
<br>> > > but anyway ;-).
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Cheers,
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Markus
<br>> > >
<br>> > > On Mittwoch, 18. November 2009, Markus Krötzsch wrote:
<br>> > >> Hi,
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> at SMW Camp 2009, we have agreed that SMW could really use a better
<br>> >
<br>> > logo.
<br>> >
<br>> > >> In particular, the current logo is too complex and puzzling, thus not
<br>> > >> reflecting the fact that SMW is there to simplify many tasks. The
<br>> > >> core developers do not have sufficient resources for creating new
<br>> > >> logos, but
<br>> >
<br>> > we
<br>> >
<br>> > >> are sure that some of our users/contributors could do a great job
<br>> > >> here.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> We thus would like to ask the community for contributions: if you have
<br>> >
<br>> > an
<br>> >
<br>> > >> idea for a better logo, please send (a link to) your proposal to this
<br>> >
<br>> > list
<br>> >
<br>> > >> by replying to this email. Below you can find the general
<br>> > >> requirements that a logo should satisfy.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Partial proposals are also welcome: if you have a good idea, we can
<br>> >
<br>> > always
<br>> >
<br>> > >> work on improving the quality of the logo, or on converting it to a
<br>> > >> suitable format. Some inspiration can be found online [1] and in the
<br>> >
<br>> > logos
<br>> >
<br>> > >> of related projects (MW, Wordpress, Drupal, W3C Semantic Web, ...).
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> The reward for submitting a logo is, of course, the eternal gratitude
<br>> > >> of the SMW user community, and -- if you are working with SMW in a
<br>> >
<br>> > commercial
<br>> >
<br>> > >> context -- the chance to get us using a logo that is more pleasant to
<br>> >
<br>> > the
<br>> >
<br>> > >> eyes of your customers.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Cheers,
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> Markus
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> [1] <a href="http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.logolounge.com/logotrends/</a><br>> > >>
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> == Requirements (note that some are "MUST" and some are "SHOULD") ==
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> * Logos MUST be free, i.e. published under CC-By license and not
<br>> > >> subject
<br>> >
<br>> > to
<br>> >
<br>> > >> other legal restrictions that would significantly hinder the
<br>> >
<br>> > distribution
<br>> >
<br>> > >> (e.g. it must not be trademarked). When submitting a logo, you agree
<br>> > >> on disclosing all legal restrictions on using/modifying/redistributing
<br>> > >> the logo, and these restrictions MUST be stated in the submission.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> * Logos MUST be provided in sufficient quality for high-resolution
<br>> >
<br>> > printing
<br>> >
<br>> > >> at big sizes. It is strongly suggested to provide an editable SVG
<br>> >
<br>> > version.
<br>> >
<br>> > >> * Logos SHOULD include the text "SMW" or "Semantic MediaWiki" in a
<br>> >
<br>> > readable
<br>> >
<br>> > >> form (it has been stated that the abbreviated form is less frightening
<br>> >
<br>> > to
<br>> >
<br>> > >> some users, so "SMW" is preferred). It can be useful to have a logo
<br>> > >> without this text, but there should be a standard way to include the
<br>> >
<br>> > text.
<br>> >
<br>> > >> * Logos SHOULD fit into the various usage contexts of SMW, i.e. be
<br>> >
<br>> > suitable
<br>> >
<br>> > >> both as an open source project logo and as a product logo.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> * Logos SHOULD come in different sizes/variants: one roughly squared
<br>> > >> version to be used as a logo in MediaWiki sites, one smaller button
<br>> > >> version that can be used like the "powered by MediaWiki" at the
<br>> > >> bottom
<br>> >
<br>> > of
<br>> >
<br>> > >> a wiki. Other small "powered by" buttons could be nice (maybe in the
<br>> >
<br>> > size
<br>> >
<br>> > >> of the "RSS" buttons that you see in blogs), but are not required.
<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> * Logos SHOULD be a good basis for creating custom derivatives that
<br>> > >> can
<br>> >
<br>> > be
<br>> >
<br>> > >> used for SMW extensions. This includes layout (e.g. the text "SMW"
<br>> >
<br>> > should
<br>> >
<br>> > >> not be the main component of the logo) but also technical aspects
<br>> > >> (the font used for writing SMW in the standard logo should be widely
<br>> >
<br>> > available,
<br>> >
<br>> > >> the SVG file should be editable).
<br>> > >
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Re: Use cases and competitors of SMW
2009-12-14T03:46:04Z
2009-12-14T03:46:04Z
Krabina Bernhard
> <<- forums/discussion boards (talk pages) not sufficient for many
<br>> applications>>
<br>> This issue is also engaged by the usability initiative. It might flow
<br>>
<br>> into a new extension called LiquidThreads:
<br>> <a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads</a><br><br>Yeah, but I've been waiting for that for some time and it still seems to be quite beta. The demo site results in an error...
<br><br>> From ontoprise side we plan to release a "Collaboration extension",
<br>> which will at a first step allow posting comments on a wiki page.
<br><br>Great, please also allow tagging for wiki pages (tagging a page without need for editing the page. Tags should be saved as page properties!
<br><br>>
<br>> <<- pdf export of pages not standard>>
<br>> There is currently the Collection extension
<br>> (<a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection</a>) allowing PDF
<br>> export
<br>> of wiki pages. Are you aware of other extensions with that
<br>> capability?
<br><br>Yes. There are some pdf extensions around. I think the one you mentioned seems to be the most promising. But still, getting pfd export to work requires extra effort. If you install drupal or joomla, you can enable a PDF button on each page by one click (or even no click as I remember it being installed by default).
<br><br>Bernhard
<br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Krabina Bernhard schrieb:
<br>> > Hi,
<br>> >
<br>> > following the discussions on the purpose of/idea behind SMW in the
<br>> logo contest thread and my discussion with Dan on protected wikis, I
<br>> had the idea that maybe it would be interesting to talk about use
<br>> cases and the biggest competitors of SMW. This can help to focus on
<br>> the strengths and identify the weaknesses of SMW. By the way, some
<br>> business-oriented aspects like this should also be included on
<br>> semantic-mediawiki.org
<br>> >
<br>> > Here are my thoughts:
<br>> >
<br>> > Use cases:
<br>> >
<br>> > 1. Open community wikis
<br>> > - Wikipedia idea with adding strengths of handling structured data
<br>> > - Competitors: MediaWiki without SMW, maybe other wikis, but I think
<br>> here MedaWiki is market leader
<br>> >
<br>> > 2. Restricted community wikis
<br>> > - Somewhat restricted access (sign up for account to be able to read
<br>> and/or edit)
<br>> > - Competitors: see above, other wikis are strong here too? TikiWiki
<br>> >
<br>> > 3. Web databases
<br>> > - Web databases (free or restricted access), that also have emphasis
<br>> on textual information.
<br>> > - Strengths: very low cost of SMW implementations compared to
<br>> individually programmed web databases
<br>> > - Competitors: ??
<br>> >
<br>> > 4. Intranet-Solutions, Enterprise wikis, Collaboration Platforms
<br>> > - Knowledge Management, access restrictions are crucial
<br>> > - MediaWiki without SMW not really a competitor here: SMW is THE
<br>> asset for MediaWiki/SMW to be used in this context
<br>> > - Competitors: <a href="http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence</a><br>> <a href="http://www.mindtouch.com/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindtouch.com/</a><br>> >
<br>> > Strenghts/Weaknesses
<br>> > + very fast (and therefore inexpensive) implementation possible
<br>> > + integration with external services from external sources
<br>> > + database and ontology at the same time
<br>> > - multi-lingual content handling
<br>> > - forums/discussion boards (talk pages) not sufficient for many
<br>> applications
<br>> > - pdf export of pages not standard
<br>> > ...
<br>> >
<br>> > Feel free to add/disagree...
<br>> >
<br>> > Bernhard
<br>> >
<br>> >
<br>> >
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Re: Use cases and competitors of SMW
2009-12-14T02:12:13Z
2009-12-14T02:12:13Z
Philipp Zaltenbach
Hi,
<br><br>just some additional notes.
<br><<+ integration with external services from external sources>>
<br>I think enterprise wikis such as DekiWiki or Confluence are in the lead
<br>there, because there are hundreds of connectors (e.g. for connecting
<br>different databases or office applications). SMW's strength in my
<br>opinion is, that you can "semantify" the external data, mash it up with
<br>other data, and built different dynamic views (queries) on it.
<br><br><<- forums/discussion boards (talk pages) not sufficient for many
<br>applications>>
<br>This issue is also engaged by the usability initiative. It might flow
<br>into a new extension called LiquidThreads:
<br><a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads</a><br> From ontoprise side we plan to release a "Collaboration extension",
<br>which will at a first step allow posting comments on a wiki page.
<br><br><<- pdf export of pages not standard>>
<br>There is currently the Collection extension
<br>(<a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Collection</a>) allowing PDF export
<br>of wiki pages. Are you aware of other extensions with that capability?
<br><br>Regards,
<br>Philipp
<br><br><br>Krabina Bernhard schrieb:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> following the discussions on the purpose of/idea behind SMW in the logo contest thread and my discussion with Dan on protected wikis, I had the idea that maybe it would be interesting to talk about use cases and the biggest competitors of SMW. This can help to focus on the strengths and identify the weaknesses of SMW. By the way, some business-oriented aspects like this should also be included on semantic-mediawiki.org
<br>>
<br>> Here are my thoughts:
<br>>
<br>> Use cases:
<br>>
<br>> 1. Open community wikis
<br>> - Wikipedia idea with adding strengths of handling structured data
<br>> - Competitors: MediaWiki without SMW, maybe other wikis, but I think here MedaWiki is market leader
<br>>
<br>> 2. Restricted community wikis
<br>> - Somewhat restricted access (sign up for account to be able to read and/or edit)
<br>> - Competitors: see above, other wikis are strong here too? TikiWiki
<br>>
<br>> 3. Web databases
<br>> - Web databases (free or restricted access), that also have emphasis on textual information.
<br>> - Strengths: very low cost of SMW implementations compared to individually programmed web databases
<br>> - Competitors: ??
<br>>
<br>> 4. Intranet-Solutions, Enterprise wikis, Collaboration Platforms
<br>> - Knowledge Management, access restrictions are crucial
<br>> - MediaWiki without SMW not really a competitor here: SMW is THE asset for MediaWiki/SMW to be used in this context
<br>> - Competitors: <a href="http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence</a> <a href="http://www.mindtouch.com/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindtouch.com/</a><br>>
<br>> Strenghts/Weaknesses
<br>> + very fast (and therefore inexpensive) implementation possible
<br>> + integration with external services from external sources
<br>> + database and ontology at the same time
<br>> - multi-lingual content handling
<br>> - forums/discussion boards (talk pages) not sufficient for many applications
<br>> - pdf export of pages not standard
<br>> ...
<br>>
<br>> Feel free to add/disagree...
<br>>
<br>> Bernhard
<br>>
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Re: Use cases and competitors of SMW
2009-12-14T01:49:12Z
2009-12-14T01:49:12Z
Philipp Zaltenbach
Hi Bernhard,
<br><br>I welcome your idea of discussing potential use cases and outline SMW's
<br>strengths. We made some efforts and tried to compare SMW(+) with other
<br>semantic and non-semantic (enterprise) wikis.
<br>The results are written up in concise form at:
<br>*
<br><a href="http://wiki.ontoprise.com/wiki/index.php/Faq/Comparison_of_SMW%2B_with_other_semantic_wikis" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.ontoprise.com/wiki/index.php/Faq/Comparison_of_SMW%2B_with_other_semantic_wikis</a><br>*
<br><a href="http://wiki.ontoprise.com/wiki/index.php/Faq/Comparison_of_SMW%2B_with_other_enterprise_wikis" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.ontoprise.com/wiki/index.php/Faq/Comparison_of_SMW%2B_with_other_enterprise_wikis</a><br><br>We also tried to compare SMW(+) with CMS, BI, groupware and other
<br>enterprise applications in an internal market study.
<br><br>Regarding professional enterprise wikis (such as Confluence and
<br>DekiWiki), MW-based wikis often have shortcomings concerning usability
<br>and integration features.
<br>Improving MW's usability is currently tackled by the usability initative
<br>[1] as you might know. I think Yaron has mentioned it before.
<br><br>Regards,
<br>Philipp
<br><br>[1] <a href="http://usability.wikimedia.org" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://usability.wikimedia.org</a><br><br>Krabina Bernhard schrieb:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi,
<br>>
<br>> following the discussions on the purpose of/idea behind SMW in the logo contest thread and my discussion with Dan on protected wikis, I had the idea that maybe it would be interesting to talk about use cases and the biggest competitors of SMW. This can help to focus on the strengths and identify the weaknesses of SMW. By the way, some business-oriented aspects like this should also be included on semantic-mediawiki.org
<br>>
<br>> Here are my thoughts:
<br>>
<br>> Use cases:
<br>>
<br>> 1. Open community wikis
<br>> - Wikipedia idea with adding strengths of handling structured data
<br>> - Competitors: MediaWiki without SMW, maybe other wikis, but I think here MedaWiki is market leader
<br>>
<br>> 2. Restricted community wikis
<br>> - Somewhat restricted access (sign up for account to be able to read and/or edit)
<br>> - Competitors: see above, other wikis are strong here too? TikiWiki
<br>>
<br>> 3. Web databases
<br>> - Web databases (free or restricted access), that also have emphasis on textual information.
<br>> - Strengths: very low cost of SMW implementations compared to individually programmed web databases
<br>> - Competitors: ??
<br>>
<br>> 4. Intranet-Solutions, Enterprise wikis, Collaboration Platforms
<br>> - Knowledge Management, access restrictions are crucial
<br>> - MediaWiki without SMW not really a competitor here: SMW is THE asset for MediaWiki/SMW to be used in this context
<br>> - Competitors: <a href="http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence</a> <a href="http://www.mindtouch.com/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindtouch.com/</a><br>>
<br>> Strenghts/Weaknesses
<br>> + very fast (and therefore inexpensive) implementation possible
<br>> + integration with external services from external sources
<br>> + database and ontology at the same time
<br>> - multi-lingual content handling
<br>> - forums/discussion boards (talk pages) not sufficient for many applications
<br>> - pdf export of pages not standard
<br>> ...
<br>>
<br>> Feel free to add/disagree...
<br>>
<br>> Bernhard
<br>>
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Re: Exhibit format and Headertabs
2009-12-14T01:45:51Z
2009-12-14T01:45:51Z
Neill Mitchell
Ah, interesting point. I assumed it was the header tabs as I've had
<br>problems with the Simile based timeline format and headertabs (you can
<br>only have timelines on the first tab, others just show a grey box).
<br><br>However, if I have two exhibit format queries in an article with no
<br>header tabs then the 2nd query does not show then either. So, I wonder
<br>if this is a SRF specific issue or an Exhibit issue?
<br><br>Cheers
<br>Neill.
<br>Dan Bolser wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> 2009/12/11 Neill Mitchell <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26775234&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">neill@...</a>>:
<br>>
<br>>> Hi.
<br>>>
<br>>> I have a page with a number of tabs. Two of the tabs have inline
<br>>> queries with the format set to exhibit.
<br>>> Only the exhibit format query in the first headertabs works. Nothing
<br>>> gets displayed by the exhibit format query in the following tab. If I
<br>>> remove the exhibit format from the query in the first tab then the
<br>>> exhibit query in the subsequent tab then works.
<br>>>
<br>>> Anyone got any ideas? I really don't want to lose the tabbing!
<br>>>
<br>>
<br>> Do the two exhibit format queries both work when included sequentially
<br>> within one tab?
<br>>
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>>> Neill.
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Re: Use cases and competitors of SMW
2009-12-14T01:09:55Z
2009-12-14T01:09:55Z
Krabina Bernhard
oh, and I forgot:
<br><br>5. Content-Management-System
<br>- Web content management, not really focus, but can be done: see <a href="http://www.aifb.kit.edu" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.aifb.kit.edu</a><br>- Competitors: huge amount of CMS competitors. Main players in open source scene: drupal, typo3, joomla
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Use cases and competitors of SMW
2009-12-14T01:03:18Z
2009-12-14T01:03:18Z
Krabina Bernhard
Hi,
<br><br>following the discussions on the purpose of/idea behind SMW in the logo contest thread and my discussion with Dan on protected wikis, I had the idea that maybe it would be interesting to talk about use cases and the biggest competitors of SMW. This can help to focus on the strengths and identify the weaknesses of SMW. By the way, some business-oriented aspects like this should also be included on semantic-mediawiki.org
<br><br>Here are my thoughts:
<br><br>Use cases:
<br><br>1. Open community wikis
<br>- Wikipedia idea with adding strengths of handling structured data
<br>- Competitors: MediaWiki without SMW, maybe other wikis, but I think here MedaWiki is market leader
<br><br>2. Restricted community wikis
<br>- Somewhat restricted access (sign up for account to be able to read and/or edit)
<br>- Competitors: see above, other wikis are strong here too? TikiWiki
<br><br>3. Web databases
<br>- Web databases (free or restricted access), that also have emphasis on textual information.
<br>- Strengths: very low cost of SMW implementations compared to individually programmed web databases
<br>- Competitors: ??
<br><br>4. Intranet-Solutions, Enterprise wikis, Collaboration Platforms
<br>- Knowledge Management, access restrictions are crucial
<br>- MediaWiki without SMW not really a competitor here: SMW is THE asset for MediaWiki/SMW to be used in this context
<br>- Competitors: <a href="http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence</a> <a href="http://www.mindtouch.com/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mindtouch.com/</a><br><br>Strenghts/Weaknesses
<br>+ very fast (and therefore inexpensive) implementation possible
<br>+ integration with external services from external sources
<br>+ database and ontology at the same time
<br>- multi-lingual content handling
<br>- forums/discussion boards (talk pages) not sufficient for many applications
<br>- pdf export of pages not standard
<br>...
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Re: RSS in protected wikis - general mediawiki problem
2009-12-14T00:55:57Z
2009-12-14T00:55:57Z
Dan Bolser-3
2009/12/14 Krabina Bernhard <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26774667&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">krabina@...</a>>:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> Hi Dan,
<br>>
<br>>> I think the general idea of wikis is that they should be open, so I
<br>>> don't think people spend time on this kind of issue. I don't know of
<br>>> any RSS authentication system, because again, I think they are
<br>>> supposed to be about sharing of data, not keeping it private.
<br>>
<br>> I strongly have to disagree here. The idea of wikis in general is to share knowledge among a certain amount of people. In many cases it's everybody that is interested in the topic, but the fact that a community does not want everybody that does not even have signed up an account to read everything is not unusual.
<br>>
<br>> In fact, I'd even go further as to say that especially SMW is a very strong option for intranet sites and enterprise applications.
</div><br>I know what you mean, but SMW is built on top of MW, and the core MW
<br>devs have a strong bias towards Wikipedia in particular. For example,
<br>take a look at the text added to the top of this page:
<br><br><a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_certain_specific_pages" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Preventing_access#Restrict_viewing_of_certain_specific_pages</a><br><br>and:
<br><a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Security_issues_with_authorization_extensions</a><br><br><br>Although from the text there it seems as if they are getting less
<br>militant these days!
<br><br><br>>> Or just whitelist the page with the RSS, and go with security by
<br>>> obscurity (i.e. it's unlikely people will stumble on the feed if they
<br>>> don't know it exists).
<br>>
<br>> O.K. I'll try if the whitelisting would be a workaround...
<br><br>Here is the extension I use that allows whitelisting of specific pages:
<br><br><a href="http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount</a><br><br><br>Cheers,
<br>Dan.
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Re: RSS in protected wikis - general mediawiki problem
2009-12-14T00:13:09Z
2009-12-14T00:13:09Z
Krabina Bernhard
Hi Dan,
<br><br>> I think the general idea of wikis is that they should be open, so I
<br>> don't think people spend time on this kind of issue. I don't know of
<br>> any RSS authentication system, because again, I think they are
<br>> supposed to be about sharing of data, not keeping it private.
<br><br>I strongly have to disagree here. The idea of wikis in general is to share knowledge among a certain amount of people. In many cases it's everybody that is interested in the topic, but the fact that a community does not want everybody that does not even have signed up an account to read everything is not unusual.
<br><br>In fact, I'd even go further as to say that especially SMW is a very strong option for intranet sites and enterprise applications.
<br>
<br>> Or just whitelist the page with the RSS, and go with security by
<br>> obscurity (i.e. it's unlikely people will stumble on the feed if they
<br>> don't know it exists).
<br><br>O.K. I'll try if the whitelisting would be a workaround...
<br><br>Bernhard
<br><br><br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> 2009/12/7 Krabina Bernhard <<a href="http://old.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=26774343&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">krabina@...</a>>:
<br>> > Hi,
<br>> >
<br>> > SMW is able to output ask queries in RSS format (and mediawiki in
<br>> general, so this is not really in smw issue). RSS is very useful, but
<br>> I see two problems with it when used in wikis that are only readable
<br>> by logged in users:
<br>> >
<br>> > 1. With a web browser, getting the feed works if you are already
<br>> logged in to the wiki. But the feed is useless, because it does not
<br>> update. Both IE8 and Firfox 3.5.5 will not update an RSS feed even if
<br>> the browser is continuously logged in.
<br>> >
<br>> > 2. With other Feed readers, it does not seem possible to access the
<br>> feeds at all, because it's not URL authentication where you could use
<br>> <a href="http://user:pass@url" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://user:pass@url</a>, but the authentication mechanism of the wiki.
<br>> >
<br>> > Do you experience the same problems (1)?
<br>> >
<br>> > Is there any solution for (2)?
<br>>
<br>> I think the general idea of wikis is that they should be open, so I
<br>> don't think people spend time on this kind of issue. I don't know of
<br>> any RSS authentication system, because again, I think they are
<br>> supposed to be about sharing of data, not keeping it private.
<br>>
<br>> Otherwise, build your own server side RSS proxy to handle
<br>> authentication for you?
<br>>
<br>> Or just whitelist the page with the RSS, and go with security by
<br>> obscurity (i.e. it's unlikely people will stumble on the feed if they
<br>> don't know it exists).
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> Dan.
<br>>
<br>> > -Bernhard
<br>> >
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