Service Project Hours

[Matthew Baynard]

Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys
who have worked on Eagle Projects, we're not sure what is best, to enter the
time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days
that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day
its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that
rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in
activities?  The manual really doesn't talk about this one.

 

Regards,

 

Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@...
www.troop44bushkill.org

 

[nancypeck]

Our troop enters them on the days the hours are done.  Due to the rank issues you mentioned and  the younger scouts get credit for the multiple activity if there are several dates

Nancy
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Matthew Baynard" <matthew.baynard@...>

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 13:42:02
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours


Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys
who have worked on Eagle Projects, we're not sure what is best, to enter the
time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days
that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day
its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that
rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in
activities?  The manual really doesn't talk about this one.

 

Regards,

 

Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@...
www.troop44bushkill.org

 

[mmurphy686]

Hello Matthew,

We prefer to log each day for the reason you note below.  Yes there is a way to create multiple activities from the first activity and attendance.  Highlight  the activity and attendance that you would like to copy and select the edit/review button.  Then select the "combined" button and a "add new activity" will display with all of the fields that you previously filled in.  Change the fields that you need to and then hit ok to save.  Now you have 2 entries!!

Hope this works for you
Mike

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  From: Matthew Baynard
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  Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours






  Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys who have worked on Eagle Projects, we're not sure what is best, to enter the time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in activities?  The manual really doesn't talk about this one.



  Regards,



  Matthew Baynard
  Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
  Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
  matthew.baynard@...
  www.troop44bushkill.org




 

[MpsltK]

 
In a message dated 6/9/2009 10:50:01 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
matthew.baynard@... writes:

I know its  important to enter the time on the day its done since some
ranks need service  hours to be completed while in that rank.  Is there a way to
enter this  multiple dates for one entry in activities?  The manual really
doesn’t  talk about this one.


I put the service project in as two separate days.
Day one and possible number of hours
Day two and possible number of hours
When you enter the event into troop master then go to click on  each boy
there is an X that shows next to his name.  If he only did a few  hours you
can change it in the box below the names.
So many times we have boys who are able to make one day only and then often
 for part of the time.  

Pam
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[M Derleth]

Matthew:

It's actually not important to enter the time on each day for 99.5% of the Scouts. The requirement says X hours while a <rank> Scout.  Only if a Scout was having a board of review and advancing during the work phase of a project would hours spent on different days matter.  This would most often come into play if there was a multi-week or month delay between starting work and completing the work.

Our troop records <start date of project>  <total hours spent by Scout>. Works fine. Saves a lot of wear and tear on adults.

Michael Derleth
ASM T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout




________________________________
From: Matthew Baynard <matthew.baynard@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:42:02 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours

 


Question
for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys who have
worked on Eagle Projects, we’re not sure what is best, to enter the time
as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days that
the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day its done
since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that rank.  Is there
a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in activities?  The manual
really doesn’t talk about this one.
 
Regards,
 
Matthew
Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@...
www.troop44bushkill.org
 





     

[Matt Price]

Normally, we just put in the number of hours worked.  You can put it in
by the date, but we find that KIS is really the only way to go.

Matt

Matthew Baynard wrote:

>
>
> Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the
> boys who have worked on Eagle Projects, we're not sure what is best,
> to enter the time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to
> enter them on the days that the work is done.  I know its important to
> enter the time on the day its done since some ranks need service hours
> to be completed while in that rank.  Is there a way to enter this
> multiple dates for one entry in activities?  The manual really doesn't
> talk about this one.
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
>  
>
> Matthew Baynard
> Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
> Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
> matthew.baynard@...
> www.troop44bushkill.org
>
>  
>
>

[Thomas A Newman]

For most of the boys it will not make a difference one way or another.  6
Hours on one service project or 3 hours each on two entries will still be 6
credit hours.

 

The boys that will make a difference is the Tenderfoot and 2nd Class scouts.
To become a 2nd class the boy must.

 

"Since joining, have participated in five separate troop
<http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Troop> /patrol
<http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Patrol>  activities (other than
troop/patrol meetings), two of which included camping overnight."

 

If a boy went on 3 campouts and an Eagle Project that took place on two
separate days he would meet this requirement.  If he went on 3 campouts and
an single Eagle Project that took place over 2 days but was only credited as
a single project, he would not meet this requirement.

 

The same logic can be applied to the scout who is 2nd Class working on 1st
Class, the requirement reads.

 

Since joining, have participated in ten separate troop/patrol activities
(other than troop/patrol meetings), three of which included camping
overnight.

 

If you had 3 projects that involved multiple days, the way that you recorded
might take months off of the time that a boy could advance from Scout to 1st
Class.

 

I am not saying that either of these ways are right or wrong, but it does
make a big difference how you record them.

 

 

Yours in Scouting,

Tom Newman

scout043@...

Phone: [phone]

 

If you can't live forever, create something that can.

 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
Matthew Baynard
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:42 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours

 






Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys
who have worked on Eagle Projects, we're not sure what is best, to enter the
time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days
that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day
its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that
rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in
activities?  The manual really doesn't talk about this one.

 

Regards,

 

Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@...
www.troop44bushkill.org

 

[David Wildschuetz]

Actually, it depends on how you want count each day as a seperate activity for 2nd Class and 1st Class activity requirements.  If you combine each day as one activity, the Scout only gets counted as one activity as far as TroopMaster is concerned.  If the young Tenderfoot shows up for 3 days of a 5 day project, would you not want to count it as three seperate activities towards Second Class?

Just a thought for consideration.
David




________________________________
From: M Derleth <mderleth@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 2:45:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours





Matthew:

It's actually not important to enter the time on each day for 99.5% of the Scouts. The requirement says X hours while a <rank> Scout.  Only if a Scout was having a board of review and advancing during the work phase of a project would hours spent on different days matter.  This would most often come into play if there was a multi-week or month delay between starting work and completing the work.

Our troop records <start date of project>  <total hours spent by Scout>. Works fine. Saves a lot of wear and tear on adults.

Michael Derleth
ASM T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout




________________________________
From: Matthew Baynard <matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:42:02 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours




Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys who have worked on Eagle Projects, we’re not sure what is best, to enter the time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in activities?  The manual really doesn’t talk about this one.
 
Regards,
 
Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org
www.troop44bushkill .org
 

[Ray Miessler]

I think if you check the BSA policies, you'll find out that you cannot count
and Eagle Service project as a Troop activity.  You should not be checking
the credit to 2nd/1st class on an Eagle service project.

  _____  

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
David Wildschuetz
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:52 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours






Actually, it depends on how you want count each day as a seperate activity
for 2nd Class and 1st Class activity requirements.  If you combine each day
as one activity, the Scout only gets counted as one activity as far as
TroopMaster is concerned.  If the young Tenderfoot shows up for 3 days of a
5 day project, would you not want to count it as three seperate activities
towards Second Class?
 
Just a thought for consideration.
David


  _____  

From: M Derleth <mderleth@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 2:45:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours




Matthew:

It's actually not important to enter the time on each day for 99.5% of the
Scouts. The requirement says X hours while a <rank> Scout.  Only if a Scout
was having a board of review and advancing during the work phase of a
project would hours spent on different days matter.  This would most often
come into play if there was a multi-week or month delay between starting
work and completing the work.

Our troop records <start date of project>  <total hours spent by Scout>.
Works fine. Saves a lot of wear and tear on adults.

Michael Derleth
ASM T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout


  _____  

From: Matthew Baynard <matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:42:02 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours





Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys
who have worked on Eagle Projects, we're not sure what is best, to enter the
time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days
that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day
its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that
rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in
activities?  The manual really doesn't talk about this one.

 

Regards,

 

Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org
www.troop44bushkill .org <http://www.troop44bushkill.org/>

 

[nancypeck]

We do not allow them to count as both either an activity or a service hour.
So if a scout needs an activity it is counted as that.  If a scout needs
service hours it is counted as that

 

Nanch

 

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Ray
Miessler
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:44 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours

 






I think if you check the BSA policies, you'll find out that you cannot count
and Eagle Service project as a Troop activity.  You should not be checking
the credit to 2nd/1st class on an Eagle service project.

 

  _____  

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of
David Wildschuetz
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:52 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours

Actually, it depends on how you want count each day as a seperate activity
for 2nd Class and 1st Class activity requirements.  If you combine each day
as one activity, the Scout only gets counted as one activity as far as
TroopMaster is concerned.  If the young Tenderfoot shows up for 3 days of a
5 day project, would you not want to count it as three seperate activities
towards Second Class?

 

Just a thought for consideration.

David

 

  _____  

From: M Derleth <mderleth@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 2:45:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours

Matthew:

It's actually not important to enter the time on each day for 99.5% of the
Scouts. The requirement says X hours while a <rank> Scout.  Only if a Scout
was having a board of review and advancing during the work phase of a
project would hours spent on different days matter.  This would most often
come into play if there was a multi-week or month delay between starting
work and completing the work.

Our troop records <start date of project>  <total hours spent by Scout>.
Works fine. Saves a lot of wear and tear on adults.

Michael Derleth
ASM T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout

 

  _____  

From: Matthew Baynard <matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:42:02 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours




Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys
who have worked on Eagle Projects, we're not sure what is best, to enter the
time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days
that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day
its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that
rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in
activities?  The manual really doesn't talk about this one.

 

Regards,

 

Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org
www.troop44bushkill <http://www.troop44bushkill.org/>  .org

 

 

 

[David Wildschuetz]

Well, Ray, I beg to differ.  Service projects, Eagle or not, is a Troop activity.  There is nothing stated that I can find which says differently.  The only thing I found, which is in the videos for the early rank requirements for Second and First Class, lists service projects as one of the items they can count.  There is no mention as to whether it is a Troop general project or an Eagle project.  And as far as  I know, only a Boy Scout (or a Venturer) can have an Eagle Project.  And if the Scout having the project is in your troop, I would consider that a Troop activity.

If you can give a specific place to look stating that I am wrong, I would be more than willing to change my opinion.

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Applications/RankVideo.aspx

David



________________________________
From: Ray Miessler <ray@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:43:45 PM
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours





I think if you check the BSA policies, you'll find out that you cannot count and Eagle Service project as a Troop activity.  You should not be checking the credit to 2nd/1st class on an Eagle service project.


________________________________
From: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com [mailto:TMTUG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of David Wildschuetz
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:52 PM
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours


Actually, it depends on how you want count each day as a seperate activity for 2nd Class and 1st Class activity requirements.  If you combine each day as one activity, the Scout only gets counted as one activity as far as TroopMaster is concerned.  If the young Tenderfoot shows up for 3 days of a 5 day project, would you not want to count it as three seperate activities towards Second Class?

Just a thought for consideration.
David




________________________________
From: M Derleth <mderleth@yahoo. com>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 2:45:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours


Matthew:

It's actually not important to enter the time on each day for 99.5% of the Scouts. The requirement says X hours while a <rank> Scout.  Only if a Scout was having a board of review and advancing during the work phase of a project would hours spent on different days matter.  This would most often come into play if there was a multi-week or month delay between starting work and completing the work.

Our troop records <start date of project>  <total hours spent by Scout>. Works fine. Saves a lot of wear and tear on adults.

Michael Derleth
ASM T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout




________________________________
From: Matthew Baynard <matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:42:02 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours




Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys who have worked on Eagle Projects, we’re not sure what is best, to enter the time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in activities?  The manual really doesn’t talk about this one.
 
Regards,
 
Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org
www.troop44bushkill .org
 

[karwac]

Bottom line friends, is that an Eagle Scout Project  is an activity. TM's
capability is that it maintains a  cumulative tally of each scout's nights
camped, service hours  performed, miles hiked, etc. Whether or not to credit
these figures to lower  ranks is up to the individual involved. I personally
set up Eagle Projects in  the Activity Section like this: Joe Scout Eagle
Project - Work Session  1. The time span of each session is the default "X"
value credited to  Scouts that participated. BUT NOT JOE: IT'S HIS PROJECT!  
Example WS 1- 9 AM to 3 PM (6 hrs=X marker). If Jim Scout only contributes
3hrs.  for that session, change the X to a 3 and double click on Jim's name.
Yer  dun. For Work Session 2, open WS 1(edit), hit the combo button, and
enter the  numbers for WS 2, and continue as before. In this manner all the Work
Sessions  are linked. You'll have to get out the calculator when the
project is finished  and add up the total man-hours invested and create a nifty,
concise little  report that the Eagle Candidate can slip into his jacket.
Each contributing  scout (and leader for that matter) will have all his
contributed service hours  tracked and totaled in the TM program. That's how we
roll.
    Cheers-Don C
    Troop 511
    San Antonio, Tx.
 
In a message dated 6/9/2009 9:39:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
shamanlsn@... writes:
 
 
 



Well, Ray, I beg to differ.  Service projects, Eagle or not, is a  Troop
activity.  There is nothing stated that I can find which says  differently.  
The only thing I found, which is in the videos for the  early rank
requirements for Second and First Class, lists service projects as  one of the items
they can count.  There is no mention as to whether it is  a Troop general
project or an Eagle project.  And as far as  I know,  only a Boy Scout (or a
Venturer) can have an Eagle Project.  And if  the Scout having the project is
in your troop, I would consider that a Troop  activity.
 
If you can give a specific place to look stating that I am wrong, I would  
be more than willing to change my opinion.
 
_http://www.scoutinghttp://www.scouthttp://www.scohttp://wwwhttp_
(http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Applications/RankVideo.aspx)

David

 
____________________________________
 From: Ray Miessler  <ray@...>
To:  TMTUG@yahoogroups.  
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:43:45  PM
Subject: RE: [TMTUG]  Service Project Hours


I think if you check the BSA policies, you'll find out  that you cannot
count and Eagle Service project as a Troop activity.  You  should not be
checking the credit to 2nd/1st class on an Eagle service  project.

 
____________________________________
 From: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com [mailto:TMTUG@  yahoogroups. com] On Behalf
Of David Wildschuetz
Sent:  Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:52 PM
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups.  com
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours




 
Actually, it depends on how you want count each day as a seperate  activity
for 2nd Class and 1st Class activity requirements.  If you  combine each
day as one activity, the Scout only gets counted as one activity  as far as
TroopMaster is concerned.  If the young Tenderfoot shows up for  3 days of a 5
day project, would you not want to count it as three seperate  activities
towards Second Class?
 
Just a thought for consideration.
David


 
____________________________________
 From: M Derleth  <mderleth@yahoo. com>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 2:45:06  PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG]  Service Project Hours


 
Matthew:

It's actually not important to enter the time on each day  for 99.5% of the
Scouts. The requirement says X hours while a <rank>  Scout.  Only if a
Scout was having a board of review and advancing during  the work phase of a
project would hours spent on different days matter.   This would most often
come into play if there was a multi-week or month delay  between starting work
and completing the work.

Our troop records  <start date of project>  <total hours spent by Scout>.
Works  fine. Saves a lot of wear and tear on adults.

Michael Derleth
ASM  T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout


 
____________________________________
 From: Matthew Baynard  <matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:42:02  AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Service  Project Hours




Question for the group.   When we enter service project hours for the boys
who have worked on Eagle  Projects, we’re not sure what is best, to enter
the time as a total at the end  of the Eagle project or to enter them on the
days that the work is done.   I know its important to enter the time on the
day its done since some ranks  need service hours to be completed while in
that rank.  Is there a way to  enter this multiple dates for one entry in
activities?  The manual really  doesn’t talk about this one.
Regards,
Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 -  Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@  troop44bushkill. org
_www.troop44bushkill .org_ (http://www.troop44bushkill.org/)  





















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[nancypeck]

Our eagle scouts track all the hours and dates and turn it into the advancement chair to enter. that is part of the eagle workbook requirement but we make sure they break it down into days individuals attended and hours served..

Nancy
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-----Original Message-----
From: karwac@...

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 23:08:29
To: <TMTUG@...>
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours


Bottom line friends, is that an Eagle Scout Project  is an activity. TM's
capability is that it maintains a  cumulative tally of each scout's nights
camped, service hours  performed, miles hiked, etc. Whether or not to credit
these figures to lower  ranks is up to the individual involved. I personally
set up Eagle Projects in  the Activity Section like this: Joe Scout Eagle
Project - Work Session  1. The time span of each session is the default "X"
value credited to  Scouts that participated. BUT NOT JOE: IT'S HIS PROJECT!  
Example WS 1- 9 AM to 3 PM (6 hrs=X marker). If Jim Scout only contributes
3hrs.  for that session, change the X to a 3 and double click on Jim's name.
Yer  dun. For Work Session 2, open WS 1(edit), hit the combo button, and
enter the  numbers for WS 2, and continue as before. In this manner all the Work
Sessions  are linked. You'll have to get out the calculator when the
project is finished  and add up the total man-hours invested and create a nifty,
concise little  report that the Eagle Candidate can slip into his jacket.
Each contributing  scout (and leader for that matter) will have all his
contributed service hours  tracked and totaled in the TM program. That's how we
roll.
    Cheers-Don C
    Troop 511
    San Antonio, Tx.
 
In a message dated 6/9/2009 9:39:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
shamanlsn@... writes:
 
 
 



Well, Ray, I beg to differ.  Service projects, Eagle or not, is a  Troop
activity.  There is nothing stated that I can find which says  differently.  
The only thing I found, which is in the videos for the  early rank
requirements for Second and First Class, lists service projects as  one of the items
they can count.  There is no mention as to whether it is  a Troop general
project or an Eagle project.  And as far as  I know,  only a Boy Scout (or a
Venturer) can have an Eagle Project.  And if  the Scout having the project is
in your troop, I would consider that a Troop  activity.
 
If you can give a specific place to look stating that I am wrong, I would  
be more than willing to change my opinion.
 
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(http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Applications/RankVideo.aspx)

David

 
____________________________________
 From: Ray Miessler  <ray@...>
To:  TMTUG@yahoogroups.  
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:43:45  PM
Subject: RE: [TMTUG]  Service Project Hours


I think if you check the BSA policies, you'll find out  that you cannot
count and Eagle Service project as a Troop activity.  You  should not be
checking the credit to 2nd/1st class on an Eagle service  project.

 
____________________________________
 From: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com [mailto:TMTUG@  yahoogroups. com] On Behalf
Of David Wildschuetz
Sent:  Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:52 PM
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups.  com
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours




 
Actually, it depends on how you want count each day as a seperate  activity
for 2nd Class and 1st Class activity requirements.  If you  combine each
day as one activity, the Scout only gets counted as one activity  as far as
TroopMaster is concerned.  If the young Tenderfoot shows up for  3 days of a 5
day project, would you not want to count it as three seperate  activities
towards Second Class?
 
Just a thought for consideration.
David


 
____________________________________
 From: M Derleth  <mderleth@yahoo. com>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 2:45:06  PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG]  Service Project Hours


 
Matthew:

It's actually not important to enter the time on each day  for 99.5% of the
Scouts. The requirement says X hours while a <rank>  Scout.  Only if a
Scout was having a board of review and advancing during  the work phase of a
project would hours spent on different days matter.   This would most often
come into play if there was a multi-week or month delay  between starting work
and completing the work.

Our troop records  <start date of project>  <total hours spent by Scout>.
Works  fine. Saves a lot of wear and tear on adults.

Michael Derleth
ASM  T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout


 
____________________________________
 From: Matthew Baynard  <matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:42:02  AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Service  Project Hours




Question for the group.   When we enter service project hours for the boys
who have worked on Eagle  Projects, we’re not sure what is best, to enter
the time as a total at the end  of the Eagle project or to enter them on the
days that the work is done.   I know its important to enter the time on the
day its done since some ranks  need service hours to be completed while in
that rank.  Is there a way to  enter this multiple dates for one entry in
activities?  The manual really  doesn’t talk about this one.
Regards,
Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 -  Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@  troop44bushkill. org
_www.troop44bushkill .org_ (http://www.troop44bushkill.org/)  





















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[Matt Price]

Ray,

Please state in the BSA guidelines where this can be found.  If you have
an exact guideline that you are referencing, please let us know so that
we can reference the information.

My wife has never heard of a guideline that states such.

Matt

[bergy]

 



Page27 of#33088D - Advancement Committee, Policies & Procedures

Don




Ray,

Please state in the BSA guidelines where this can be found.  If you have an
exact guideline that you are referencing, please let us know so that we can
reference the information.

My wife has never heard of a guideline that states such.

Matt




 

[David Wildschuetz]

Okay, but what does this have to do whether or not an Eagle Service project can or can not be counted as a Troop or Patrol Activity for the 5 activites for 2nd Class or the 10 activities for 1st Class?  That is what Matt and I were asking about.

Thanks,
David



________________________________
From: Don <dberglund@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 11:09:27 PM
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours





 
Page27 of#33088D – Advancement Committee, Policies & Procedures
Don



Ray,

Please state in the BSA guidelines where this can be found.  If you have an exact guideline that you are referencing, please let us know so that we can reference the information.

My wife has never heard of a guideline that states such.

Matt

[Karen Mixon]

Why not report the service hours for the scout that is working on his own Eagle project?  At this point, he doesn't need them for rank, but I've had Eagle Scouts ask me for their service hours for college entry info.

Karen




________________________________
From: "karwac@..." <karwac@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:08:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours







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    Bottom line friends, is that an Eagle Scout Project is an activity. TM's capability is that it maintains a cumulative tally of each scout's nights camped, service hours performed, miles hiked, etc. Whether or not to credit these figures to lower ranks is up to the individual involved. I personally set up Eagle Projects in the Activity Section like this: Joe Scout Eagle Project - Work Session 1. The time span of each session is the default "X" value credited to Scouts that participated. BUT NOT JOE: IT'S HIS PROJECT! Example WS 1- 9 AM to 3 PM (6 hrs=X marker). If Jim Scout only contributes 3hrs. for that session, change the X to a 3 and double click on Jim's name. Yer dun. For Work Session 2, open WS 1(edit), hit the combo button, and enter the numbers for WS 2, and continue as before. In this manner all the Work Sessions are linked. You'll have to get out the calculator when the project is finished and add up the total man-hours invested and
 create a nifty, concise little report that the Eagle Candidate can slip into his jacket. Each contributing scout (and leader for that matter) will have all his contributed service hours tracked and totaled in the TM program. That's how we roll.
    Cheers-Don C
    Troop 511
    San Antonio, Tx.

In a message dated 6/9/2009 9:39:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, shamanlsn@yahoo. com writes:



Well, Ray, I beg to differ.  Service projects, Eagle or not, is a Troop activity.  There is nothing stated that I can find which says differently.  The only thing I found, which is in the videos for the early rank requirements for Second and First Class, lists service projects as one of the items they can count.  There is no mention as to whether it is a Troop general project or an Eagle project.  And as far as  I know, only a Boy Scout (or a Venturer) can have an Eagle Project.  And if the Scout having the project is in your troop, I would consider that a Troop activity.

If you can give a specific place to look stating that I am wrong, I would be more than willing to change my opinion.

http://www.scouting .org/scoutsource /Applications/ RankVideo. aspx

David



________________________________
From: Ray Miessler <ray@miessler. net>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:43:45 PM
Subject: RE: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours


I think if you check the BSA policies, you'll find out that you cannot count and Eagle Service project as a Troop activity.  You should not be checking the credit to 2nd/1st class on an Eagle service project.


________________________________
From: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com [mailto:TMTUG@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of David Wildschuetz
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 3:52 PM
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours


Actually, it depends on how you want count each day as a seperate activity for 2nd Class and 1st Class activity requirements.  If you combine each day as one activity, the Scout only gets counted as one activity as far as TroopMaster is concerned.  If the young Tenderfoot shows up for 3 days of a 5 day project, would you not want to count it as three seperate activities towards Second Class?

Just a thought for consideration.
David




________________________________
From: M Derleth <mderleth@yahoo. com>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 2:45:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours


Matthew:

It's actually not important to enter the time on each day for 99.5% of the Scouts. The requirement says X hours while a <rank> Scout.  Only if a Scout was having a board of review and advancing during the work phase of a project would hours spent on different days matter.  This would most often come into play if there was a multi-week or month delay between starting work and completing the work.

Our troop records <start date of project>  <total hours spent by Scout>. Works fine. Saves a lot of wear and tear on adults.

Michael Derleth
ASM T14 / Oregon / Eagle Scout




________________________________
From: Matthew Baynard <matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org>
To: TMTUG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 10:42:02 AM
Subject: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours




Question for the group.  When we enter service project hours for the boys who have worked on Eagle Projects, we’re not sure what is best, to enter the time as a total at the end of the Eagle project or to enter them on the days that the work is done.  I know its important to enter the time on the day its done since some ranks need service hours to be completed while in that rank.  Is there a way to enter this multiple dates for one entry in activities?  The manual really doesn’t talk about this one.
 
Regards,
 
Matthew Baynard
Troop 44 - Bushkill Township
Assistant Scoutmaster & Webmaster
matthew.baynard@ troop44bushkill. org
www.troop44bushkill .org
 

[Matt Price]

Don,

I do not see where it explicitly states that service projects are not
troop activity and can not count toward the lower ranks.  Here is what I
am looking for:

"I think if you check the BSA policies, you'll find out that you cannot
count and Eagle Service project as a Troop activity.  You should not be
checking the credit to 2nd/1st class on an Eagle service project."

As I am reading it in my book, there is no such regulation or policy.

Matt

Don wrote:

>
>
>  
>
> Page27 of#33088D -- Advancement Committee, Policies & Procedures
>
> Don
>
>
> Ray,
>
> Please state in the BSA guidelines where this can be found.  If you
> have an exact guideline that you are referencing, please let us know
> so that we can reference the information.
>
> My wife has never heard of a guideline that states such.
>
> Matt
>
>

[Karen Mixon]

I'm interested also.  While we're on the subject...how about service performed at an OA ordeal?  I wasn't able to find anything about crediting toward their regular service time.

Karen




________________________________
From: Matt Price <admyank@...>
To: TMTUG@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 8:22:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours





Ray,

Please state in the BSA guidelines where this can be found.  If you have an exact guideline that you are referencing, please let us know so that we can reference the information.

My wife has never heard of a guideline that states such.

Matt

[Marty Frary]

We have always defined a "troop activity" as one where attendance by all
scouts is expected.  A level of attendance at "troop activities" is an
expectation of being considered "active in troop" for the purposes of
advancement.  Eagle projects have never been considered "troop activities",
because attendance by all scouts is most often not practical or necessary.

 

JMF

Troop 575

 

  _____  

From: TMTUG@... [mailto:TMTUG@...] On Behalf Of Matt
Price
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 10:21 PM
To: TMTUG@...
Subject: Re: [TMTUG] Service Project Hours

 

Don,

I do not see where it explicitly states that service projects are not troop
activity and can not count toward the lower ranks.  Here is what I am
looking for:

"I think if you check the BSA policies, you'll find out that you cannot
count and Eagle Service project as a Troop activity.  You should not be
checking the credit to 2nd/1st class on an Eagle service project."

As I am reading it in my book, there is no such regulation or policy.

Matt

Don wrote:

 



Page27 of#33088D - Advancement Committee, Policies & Procedures

Don





Ray,

Please state in the BSA guidelines where this can be found.  If you have an
exact guideline that you are referencing, please let us know so that we can
reference the information.

My wife has never heard of a guideline that states such.

Matt