Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

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Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by Daniel Scott Matthews :: Rate this Message:

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Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints, or UnitePoints, because
join points means form a line between two points (or more if there is
sequence data in the selection set)?

"Join" has also been misused elsewhere so if we change join to a more
appropriate word it should be done consistently.

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Re: Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by Timothy M. Shead :: Rate this Message:

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Daniel Scott Matthews wrote:
> Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints, or UnitePoints, because
> join points means form a line between two points (or more if there is
> sequence data in the selection set)?
>
> "Join" has also been misused elsewhere so if we change join to a more
> appropriate word it should be done consistently.

I don't have a strong opinion on this one; I've added an item to the
issue tracker to review plugin names before the 0.8 release.  It would
be great to have a list of proposed changes in-hand, as long as you and
Joe agree, I'll just apply the changes.

Cheers,
Tim

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Re: Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by Daniel Scott Matthews :: Rate this Message:

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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Timothy M. Shead<tshead@...> wrote:

> Daniel Scott Matthews wrote:
>>
>> Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints, or UnitePoints, because
>> join points means form a line between two points (or more if there is
>> sequence data in the selection set)?
>>
>> "Join" has also been misused elsewhere so if we change join to a more
>> appropriate word it should be done consistently.
>
> I don't have a strong opinion on this one; I've added an item to the issue
> tracker to review plugin names before the 0.8 release.  It would be great to
> have a list of proposed changes in-hand, as long as you and Joe agree, I'll
> just apply the changes.
>

Joe, have a look at these:

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=join

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=fuse

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Re: Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by Joe Crawford :: Rate this Message:

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>>> Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints, or UnitePoints, because
>>> join points means form a line between two points (or more if there is
>>> sequence data in the selection set)?
>
> Joe, have a look at these:
>
> http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=join
>
> http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=fuse

Thanks for the email.

I could probably help to suggest a name if I understood precisely what
the operation was.

Is it equivalent to the common "Merge Vertices" operation (sometimes
also called "weld").  For example, if we started with two points
selected, and appled "JoinPoints", would we then have only one point?
If so, I would recommed "merge" or "weld" which are the words I've
seen in the majority of programs.  "Fuse" would make sense too, since
its basically the same, but as always, I'd suggest to go with the most
commonly word, provided it makes sense.

Personally, my choice would be "weld".

However, if the modifier does something different, we should
definitely not use those words, as it would be very confusing!


Joe

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Re: Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by bART Janssens-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Joe Crawford<joetainment@...> wrote:
> Is it equivalent to the common "Merge Vertices" operation (sometimes
> also called "weld").  For example, if we started with two points
> selected, and appled "JoinPoints", would we then have only one point?
> If so, I would recommed "merge" or "weld" which are the words I've
> seen in the majority of programs.  "Fuse" would make sense too, since
> its basically the same, but as always, I'd suggest to go with the most
> commonly word, provided it makes sense.

Yep, that's what it does! I vote for WeldPoints as well, even though
it's my fault it's called JoinPoints now ;)

Cheers,

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Re: Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by Timothy M. Shead :: Rate this Message:

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Bart Janssens wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Joe Crawford<joetainment@...> wrote:
>> Is it equivalent to the common "Merge Vertices" operation (sometimes
>> also called "weld").  For example, if we started with two points
>> selected, and appled "JoinPoints", would we then have only one point?
>> If so, I would recommed "merge" or "weld" which are the words I've
>> seen in the majority of programs.  "Fuse" would make sense too, since
>> its basically the same, but as always, I'd suggest to go with the most
>> commonly word, provided it makes sense.
>
> Yep, that's what it does! I vote for WeldPoints as well, even though
> it's my fault it's called JoinPoints now ;)
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but it's my nature so things come out
that way - there's already a "Weld" modifier:

http://www.k-3d.org/wiki/Weld

Cheers,
Tim


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Re: Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by Daniel Scott Matthews :: Rate this Message:

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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Timothy M. Shead<tshead@...> wrote:

> Bart Janssens wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Joe Crawford<joetainment@...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it equivalent to the common "Merge Vertices" operation (sometimes
>>> also called "weld").  For example, if we started with two points
>>> selected, and appled "JoinPoints", would we then have only one point?
>>> If so, I would recommed "merge" or "weld" which are the words I've
>>> seen in the majority of programs.  "Fuse" would make sense too, since
>>> its basically the same, but as always, I'd suggest to go with the most
>>> commonly word, provided it makes sense.
>>
>> Yep, that's what it does! I vote for WeldPoints as well, even though
>> it's my fault it's called JoinPoints now ;)
>
> I don't want to be a wet blanket, but it's my nature so things come out that
> way - there's already a "Weld" modifier:
>
> http://www.k-3d.org/wiki/Weld
>

And I hate to seem pedantic but I believe that Unify is the most
mathematical correct, because multiple points become one point with
the location being the middle of the point set.

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Re: Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by Esben Stien :: Rate this Message:

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Bart Janssens <bart.janssens@...> writes:

> Yep, that's what it does!

Why don't we break it down to two functions?.

First, we have maybe a "connect" function that takes a group of
points, a, and connect them to a single point, b.

Connect here will make a spline between all the points, group a to the
point, b.

We then can use a "simplify" function if we want to remove the extra
points that are maybe not needed.

The simplify function simplifies the spline and removes points that are
not needed to represent the shape of the spline.

If we really want to remove critical points, like maybe a "union/weld"
function would do, we would have to delete these points manually. I
think such a function is very little used compared to a "connect"
function.

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Re: Should JoinPoints be changed to FusePoints?

by Esben Stien :: Rate this Message:

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Joe Crawford <joetainment@...> writes:

> Is it equivalent to the common "Merge Vertices" operation (sometimes
> also called "weld").  For example, if we started with two points
> selected, and appled "JoinPoints", would we then have only one point?

I don't think such a function should work if the points don't occupy the
same space. It would be more sensible to connect the points, then use a
delete function on the points you don't want.

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